2013-14 German Bundesliga Thread: Bayern Champs Again

[Det the Threat]

At least you guys are interested in lots of interesting players Det.

As for Mainz we will likely lose Choupo Moting for nothing. At this point I doubt any replacement will be bought.
The only thing we will do is buy a new RB because legend Zdenek Pospech wants to go home to his wife & child.

I trust Heidel that he'll get this done but it sucks that we have so little money to operate with while likely going into a EL season.

Well, being "interested" in lots of players doesn't mean there's really something going on.

Currently it seems like we're in the hunt for a striker(both de Jong and Mlapa will be gone this summer) and then you've got to wait what's left financially and how we could upgrade our playmaking in the middle.

Also, I wouldn't mind Choupo Mouting for us, given that he can play on the left wing and up front.

As for you guys. You're just in a tough spot sitiuated between Frankfurt and Kaiserslautern which decimates the chances of adding a bigger fan following.
Still, you're doing a great job positioning yourselves as a formidable Bundesliga side that can even qualify for Europe, if things are going your way.

Those are things I like in a Bundesliga side, rather then the Leverkusens, Wolfsburgs, Hoffenheims and soon Leipzigs of the Bundesliga.


BTW: It seems like Freiburg will make use of their option to buy Ahmir Mehmedi this summer.

[Foye]

The relatively small fan base is not a problem. The problem is that we are not able to generate that much from sponsorships.

Even if we could sell 10.000 jerseys more each season. We couldnt buy a new player with those.

If say Adidas came and said hey we will pay you 3-4 mil. € per season if you switch from Nike to us that would be awesome. But adidas is more busy throwing money into the throat of clubs that already have way too much money. See Chelsea & Bayern. Makes the difference between small & bigger clubs even worse than it already is.

[El Turco]

Sponsorship deals and size of fanbase is directly correlated. No company is going to throw big money to a team that is followed by 6 people.

[Det the Threat]

The relatively small fan base is not a problem. The problem is that we are not able to generate that much from sponsorships.

Even if we could sell 10.000 jerseys more each season. We couldnt buy a new player with those.

If say Adidas came and said hey we will pay you 3-4 mil. € per season if you switch from Nike to us that would be awesome. But adidas is more busy throwing money into the throat of clubs that already have way too much money. See Chelsea & Bayern. Makes the difference between small & bigger clubs even worse than it already is.

Pretty much what El Turco said.
Given that there are two rivaling teams very close it limits the possiblities for a growth of your fanbase and thanks to that, there aren't that big sponsorship deals available.

The only way to overcome this is by having a big name from earlier years or somehow playing out of your mind for quite some years, generating interest in the whole country and even wordlwide.

That's what Gladbach was able to do in the 70's and because of that we're able to get some good sponsorship deals etc.
For example, Kappa's paying us about 4 mil every year and we just extended our contract with Postbank(that ugly yellow stripe on the front of our jerseys) for five more years and will receive a guaranteed 6.5 mil instead of just 4.5 mil every season.

We're also situated right between Cologne and Düsseldorf, but thanks to our past we're able to generate quite some money which puts us in a categorie with teams like Stuttgart, Hamburg, Hannover etc. So we're right behind Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke, Wolfsburg(hello Volkswagen), Leverkusen(the pills) and even Hoffenheim(hi Dietmar) in that regard and a sleeping giant given to our huge amount of supporters throughout Germany etc.

[Foye]

Sponsorship deals and size of fanbase is directly correlated. No company is going to throw big money to a team that is followed by 6 people.

Sure, but the gap between the rich and the poor is getting bigger every few years. Just look at the situation in Spain. Real Madrid can throw around with money while half of the league is on brink of bankruptcy.

[DD12]

gotze unhappy at bayern with his role. What the hell did he expect when he was signing on? lol , some of these players amaze me.

Just like I expected. That team will collapse sooner than later. Watch. Once they lose to Dortmund also, overrated Guardiola will be gone too!

[Det the Threat]

Just like I expected. That team will collapse sooner than later. Watch. Once they lose to Dortmund also, overrated Guardiola will be gone too!

Bayern won't collapse.
That's something people have to keep in mind with them.

What will happen, even if they lose the cup final, is them opening their check book and buying players left and right.
They already stated that they'll fulfill Guardiola's transfer wishes this summer, no matter how much that will cost them and that's the typical Bayern reaction to a season in which they don't manage the success they want.

So look out for them to invest heavily this summer and keep Guardiola, because they just invested too much money into his services to give up on him after just one season.

[DD12]

Yeah but spending money =/= championship.

You can spend all the money you want but if you are in wrong direction, you will not win CL.

Guardiola is an overrated coach just like Rijkaard. He will disappear today's football pretty soon.

[No_20]

Guardiola should move to a more exciting league.

Bundesliga is boring for him i think. He needs that competition. Where every game in every week matters.

[Foye]

I would feel pretty ashamed if my team won like that at home Det.

[Det the Threat]

I would feel pretty ashamed if my team won like that at home Det.

Why's that?
It was a tough game and Tuchel once again showed how good of a tactician he is.
We had a really tough time with that 3-4-1-2 or whatever it was besides those 3 central defenders.

Still, we scored that goal on a set piece and then converted our chances. Other then that, there's a reason why we're giving ter Stegen those gloves every weekend.

Also, Favre finally realised in the 80th minute that playing Korb at rb against Chuopo Mouting needed to be stopped given that he had no chance at all against him.

BTW: Damn Wolfsburg and that late goal. Now we've got to beat them next week to finish 5th.
Though, they'll play offensively given that they're only one point shy of Leverkusen.

Also, that race for that relegation spot's a joke. I think it will stay as it is, with no team gaining more points next week as well.

[Foye]

I would feel pretty ashamed if my team won like that at home Det.

Why's that?
It was a tough game and Tuchel once again showed how good of a tactician he is.
We had a really tough time with that 3-4-1-2 or whatever it was besides those 3 central defenders.

Still, we scored that goal on a set piece and then converted our chances. Other then that, there's a reason why we're giving ter Stegen those gloves every weekend.

Also, Favre finally realised in the 80th minute that playing Korb at rb against Chuopo Mouting needed to be stopped given that he had no chance at all against him.

BTW: Damn Wolfsburg and that late goal. Now we've got to beat them next week to finish 5th.
Though, they'll play offensively given that they're only one point shy of Leverkusen.

Also, that race for that relegation spot's a joke. I think it will stay as it is, with no team gaining more points next week as well.

Because you did the full 90 minutes nothing but counter attack. Pretty shameful approach playing at home against a team that is not superior individually.

Diaz once again cost us big time today. He was terrible. We better get a different backup for Joo Ho Park next year.

[Det the Threat]

Because you did the full 90 minutes nothing but counter attack. Pretty shameful approach playing at home against a team that is not superior individually.

Diaz once again cost us big time today. He was terrible. We better get a different backup for Joo Ho Park next year.

There was nothing shameful about it.
You guys showed once again how good of a coach you've got and that system took us out of the game.
Though, because of that it was about being effective and that's were our qualities with Kruse, Raffael, Herrmann etc. came into play.

Also, us scoring the first goal had you guys opening up and being forced to do more, while we played to passively, especially after scoring that 2nd goal.

Anyways, I'm wishing you guys best of luck because I don't want that game Bayern handed to Augsburg to decide on that 7th place.

BTW: If you guys lose Chuopo Mouting you might look to Braunschweig and try and buy Bellarabi for a small fee.

[Foye]

Because you did the full 90 minutes nothing but counter attack. Pretty shameful approach playing at home against a team that is not superior individually.

Diaz once again cost us big time today. He was terrible. We better get a different backup for Joo Ho Park next year.

There was nothing shameful about it.
You guys showed once again how good of a coach you've got and that system took us out of the game.
Though, because of that it was about being effective and that's were our qualities with Kruse, Raffael, Herrmann etc. came into play.

Also, us scoring the first goal had you guys opening up and being forced to do more, while we played to passively, especially after scoring that 2nd goal.

Anyways, I'm wishing you guys best of luck because I don't want that game Bayern handed to Augsburg to decide on that 7th place.

BTW: If you guys lose Chuopo Mouting you might look to Braunschweig and try and buy Bellarabi for a small fee.

Well lets agree to disagree then. Gladbachs approach was way to destructive if you ask me. It had nothing to do with Mainz taking you out of the game. It looked like you didn't even want to be in the game in the first place.

Personally, I would pass on Bellarabi for any fee. What Bellarabi did this year in Braunschweig is nothing Shawn Parker couldn't do as well if given the same opportunity. And Shawn Parker is 3 years younger.
The only Braunschweig players I have interest in are Ermin Bicakcic as an early replacement for Noveski who will leave us in 2015 and Domi Kumbela.
Kumbela would be a somewhat reliable backup striker behind Okazaki. Something that can't be said for Polter & Schahin.

However, I doubt we will see any serious change in the Mainz team this offseason. A new RB will certainly be bought with Pospech leaving. Thats pretty much it.
Although, we could certainly use a backup striker and a backup LB as well.

Chandler from Nürnberg would be a good option at RB. Maybe Diekmeier but probably too expensive.
As for a striker I would prefer Kumbela. But I would also be open to Arkadiusz Milik even if Augsburg hasn't worked out for him.

That's just me. But really I don't expect any of those things to happen but maybe a new RB.

[Det the Threat]

Well lets agree to disagree then. Gladbachs approach was way to destructive if you ask me. It had nothing to do with Mainz taking you out of the game. It looked like you didn't even want to be in the game in the first place.

You guys played with five defenders and four midfielders and we just didn't know what to do with that.
Only thanks to that first goal and you guys having to open up a bit we were able to create more chances.

So it was us not wanting to be in the game but you guys having a real good tactic against our system.

Personally, I would pass on Bellarabi for any fee. What Bellarabi did this year in Braunschweig is nothing Shawn Parker couldn't do as well if given the same opportunity. And Shawn Parker is 3 years younger.
The only Braunschweig players I have interest in are Ermin Bicakcic as an early replacement for Noveski who will leave us in 2015 and Domi Kumbela.
Kumbela would be a somewhat reliable backup striker behind Okazaki. Something that can't be said for Polter & Schahin.

However, I doubt we will see any serious change in the Mainz team this offseason. A new RB will certainly be bought with Pospech leaving. Thats pretty much it.
Although, we could certainly use a backup striker and a backup LB as well.

Chandler from Nürnberg would be a good option at RB. Maybe Diekmeier but probably too expensive.
As for a striker I would prefer Kumbela. But I would also be open to Arkadiusz Milik even if Augsburg hasn't worked out for him.

That's just me. But really I don't expect any of those things to happen but maybe a new RB.

I would pass on Diekmeier and I also expect Hamburg to somehow avoid relegation with that playoff against the 3rd best 2nd Bundesliga team.
Chandler would be a good fit but maybe you guys just get back an old friend in Tim Hoogland, who won't receive a new contract at Schalke.

Also, Milik will most likely transfer to Ajax Amsterdam.

[Foye]

I would pass on Diekmeier and I also expect Hamburg to somehow avoid relegation with that playoff against the 3rd best 2nd Bundesliga team.
Chandler would be a good fit but maybe you guys just get back an old friend in Tim Hoogland, who won't receive a new contract at Schalke.

Also, Milik will most likely transfer to Ajax Amsterdam.

I'm done with Hoogland. For Mainz it's either quality old guys or talented young guys. Hoogland fits neither category these days.
Riether from Fulham might be a good option.

I have heard the Ajax rumors from Milik but I won't believe he is headed to them until he wears the Ajax jersey.

[cgf]

gotze unhappy at bayern with his role. What the hell did he expect when he was signing on? lol , some of these players amaze me.

Well he was sold on coming to Bayern by the idea that he would be Pep's centerpiece, the Messi of his Bayern project. I doubt he's actually unsettled that he isn't there yet, because there's few things as consistently inaccurate as football rumors, but he hasn't yet gotten into the role he was sold.

[ATL Boy]

gotze unhappy at bayern with his role. What the hell did he expect when he was signing on? lol , some of these players amaze me.

Well he was sold on coming to Bayern by the idea that he would be Pep's centerpiece, the Messi of his Bayern project. I doubt he's actually unsettled that he isn't there yet, because there's few things as consistently inaccurate as football rumors, but he hasn't yet gotten into the role he was sold.

Had he stayed with Dortmund he would've remained the centerpiece but nooo

[cgf]

gotze unhappy at bayern with his role. What the hell did he expect when he was signing on? lol , some of these players amaze me.

Well he was sold on coming to Bayern by the idea that he would be Pep's centerpiece, the Messi of his Bayern project. I doubt he's actually unsettled that he isn't there yet, because there's few things as consistently inaccurate as football rumors, but he hasn't yet gotten into the role he was sold.

Had he stayed with Dortmund he would've remained the centerpiece but nooo

Right but he wouldn't have been Pep's centerpiece, Mario going to Bayern eventually shouldn't have been a surprise, Mario doing it when he did is the only surprise and even that's one that is explained by the pep-drama.

[cgf]

Anyway. Mentioned it in the transfer thread but I'm thinking the reason Volland and Firmino have reject Dortmund and Liverpool this summer is that Hoppe is giving the club a cash injection to give the two of them bonuses and bring in re-inforcements. With Baumann to them picking up steam since Horn will be leading Koln back into the BuLi, and them sniffing around Schwegler or Obiang to strengthen their midfield, they'd just need a new CB, like Kouyate who they were linked to in the winter, and the defense could be completely different next season.

Not that big a stretch for Hoppe to give them the 15-20 mill bringing those three in would cost after the promising season they had and would leave Gisdol with a very interesting set of players to call upon, Beck, Toljan, the new CB and Sule/Abraham/Vestergaard/Akpoguma behind three of Rudy, Polanski, Salihovic, Strobl and Schwegler/Obiang and an attack trident with Volland and Firmino being joined by Elyounoussi/Herdling/Hamad/Schipplock/Modeste/Gyau/Nazario/Schindler/other-buy. Especially if there were promises made to keep them around for another year.