Officiating in the NBA

[rapz101]

The Lowry block and the charge on Derozan were good calls. Lowry was sliding sideways on that play and Blatche had established position before Derozan made his move.

The calls I thought were bad were the T on Derozan and KG getting foul instead of D Will at the end.


At the end of the day the Raptors played like utter **** for 3 quarters in game 6 and 3 quarters in game 7. There was no defense, no ball movement and no adjustments made by Casey. Blaming the refs is a cop out to make most of us feel better about the loss.

Hopefully Matt and Jack drop the whole bad officiating schtick next season because it is starting to influence this fan base negatively.

go re-watch that blocking call on lowry...lowry was outside the circle and had position prior to contact, and he was not sliding... another bad call was in the first half when grevis was called for a foul on KG for his 3rd that forced him to sit, when grevis didnt even touch him...this forced casey to play lowry with 3 fouls where lowry was playing really soft because he didnt wanna pick up that fourth....this officiating completly f'd the raps game plan

[lobosloboslobos]

The Lowry block and the charge on Derozan were good calls. Lowry was sliding sideways on that play and Blatche had established position before Derozan made his move.

The calls I thought were bad were the T on Derozan and KG getting foul instead of D Will at the end.


At the end of the day the Raptors played like utter **** for 3 quarters in game 6 and 3 quarters in game 7. There was no defense, no ball movement and no adjustments made by Casey. Blaming the refs is a cop out to make most of us feel better about the loss.

Hopefully Matt and Jack drop the whole bad officiating schtick next season because it is starting to influence this fan base negatively.

I actually agree that the Lowry was at least a 50/50 and the Derozan one after was a definite charge. Those were not the bogus calls you should be looking at. I dare you to look at Amir's fouls and tell me they were remotely fair. Not to mention the bajillion non-calls on the Nets for their endless grabbing and hacking. Or go look at those first three total BS calls in like 3 minutes against Greivis when he came in the game, not one of which was legit. Then tell me the refs had nothing to do with the game. Greivis was a non-factor. Do you think it could have something to do with getting so slapped down so early? It throws guys off to get three bogus fouls in succession. It sends them a message. It says: you are playing us too, and we will beat you. thids happened to Jonas several times this series too (not today) after dominating the first couple games the refs took him down hard, and if you didn't see that I don't know what to tell you.

[Wizkids12345]

Or that tech on Garnett after the Lowry flop

[Young_Buc]

Refs in the nba NEED to stop ruining this sport. I mean the kings and blazers in 2000 and 2002 know about this. Its a REAL black eye on this league. Ridiculous.

[Clementine9]

I'm going to do a referee analysis of game 7. I'm going to try and be as objective as I can. I'll probably focus on the foul calls and turnovers but are there are plays in particular you'd like me to key in on? I'll post the video on this thread when I'm done but I'd like some input here as I go. I'll include other people's analysis if they want it as well.

Group effort!

[Wo1verine]

he has a history too, did you know that?

Nope, i did not.

But it doesn't surprise me

Read this old article I found and tell me what you think now

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... 14733.html

He's clearly a crooked ref and the NBA is turning a blind eye.

I had no idea of his history until you told me about it.

[dublo7]

But wait! Won't you feel better about this loss when / if the NBA apologizes for missing x foul?

[curryking3]

One of the plays that was **** obvious was the call non call on Williams late in the game with a couple minutes to go.

Stafford was standing feet away from the play and instead handing out the foul on the correct player in Deron Williams he choose to slap Garnett with it when KG didn't touch Lowry to avoid giving Williams his 6th.

Someone Needs to find a gif of this play.

Yup. That was a big call, and a horrible one at that. Williams clearly fouled Lowry on that play, but the refs decided to give it to Garnett instead.

Amir fouling out on the play was a bad call as well. He fell on JJ. How is that a foul??

The missed offensive foul on Lowry, who was clearly outside the circle.

The no call and technical on DD on the next possession.

BS if you ask me!

Totally true about the Deron play, total BS.

Amir made a lot of stupid fouls (grabbing KG and others) which were called correctly.

But there were at least 2 fouls that weren't his at all. The 6th was not at all a foul on Amir (did they get shots for that.... free 2 points what do you know!).

And the earlier foul that was called on against Amir where Deron grabbed his jersey.... I didn't get a clear look at that, but that foul made no sense to me either.

And I think Deron may have gotten shots for that. BK was gifted way too many free throws I think and put into the bonus way too early in this game.

Unfortunately all these BS calls led to Toronto players interpreted good calls as bad ones as well. Lowry's feet were moving and was correctly called for defensive foul in the third. And the following play DD deserved both a foul and a technical when he complained, Blatche was clearly planted.

But seriously the mind games during this game from the referees was so ****ed up. Like a bad movie man. Totally inconsistent and like usual there were many momentum fouls called against us.

[Geddy]

I don't believe that there is some great conspiracy against the Raptors so I didn't think those calls were anything out of the ordinary. All this stuff about taking the Raptors out of their rhythm by using bad calls is quite silly.

I was more upset at the Raptors stinking it up on offense, and playing like a Jay Triano team on defense.

If some of you guys think the league is rigged then I suggest you find a new sport to watch and save yourselves the aggravation.

[grumpwalter]

Nope, i did not.

But it doesn't surprise me

Read this old article I found and tell me what you think now

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... 14733.html

He's clearly a crooked ref and the NBA is turning a blind eye.

I had no idea of his history until you told me about it.

They need to screen their officials better, have grudges and gambling as cause for contract termination too.

[Risk101]

**** Derrick Stafford.

End of discussion



It's not the first time he screwed us.

[chuckdevlin]

Better than game 6....at least

[timeywimey]

Sir,

Please focus on every call against the Raps that could have potentially gone the other way. Ignore the exact same calls that went against Brooklyn.

Signed,
bitter Rap fans

(just kidding, but people really need to stop crying about the Refs. I blame Jack Armstrong)

[UnderdogRaptors]

the travel on williams was a back breaker cuz he got 2 FTs...

[steamed hams]

At least 2 of the Amir Johnson fouls were bullsh*t.

Also the block on Kyle Lowry, then the play right after was a CHARGE on us lol, when it was the exact same play.

[lobosloboslobos]

Since I havd concluded that the refs manage games to get certain outcomes I have noticed more about how they do it. One of the big things I noticed is that some fouls are called that actually matter and others that don't. So sure, on paper there might be a similar number of fouls handed out, but whenever you see, say, a series of dubious calls that favor one team, you are very likely to see before long a couple fouls called for the other team. But most often these fouls will be fouls that have virtually no impact on the play.

For example, Team A has the ball and while setting up their offence team B gets a non-shooting foul on a bench player (or a starter who is not in foul trouble). What is the result of this foul? Nothing much. The clock stops, the 24 second clock stays the same if it was over 14 secs, a player who is not in foul trouble gets a foul. Big deal. The only thing at all of value is the addition of a team foul to the team's total, bringing them closer to the bonus. But that kind of call is often made to make it seem like the play is being called evenly when in fact many fouls can have much more impact, like putting guys on the bench or giving undeserved foul shots or changing possession, etc.

Just something I have noticed that refs do to make things look fair when they aren't. Not saying this happened a lot today - can't remember - but I encourage you to look for that kind of stuff. Not all fouls are created equal.

[Clementine9]

Sir,

Please focus on every call against the Raps that could have potentially gone the other way. Ignore the exact same calls that went against Brooklyn.

Signed,
bitter Rap fans

(just kidding, but people really need to stop crying about the Refs. I blame Jack Armstrong)

Maybe you're right! We'll see.

[rdawg1234]

I didnt have that huge of a problem with the refs.

We played terribly for 3 quarters, people are thinking the calls were terrible based on fan/crowd reactions.

most of them were 50/50 calls that may have no gone our way, but In no way did officiating cause us to lose, especially when we were playing poor defence until the last 5 minutes

[lolwut]

@uurds
FTA leaders, TOR-BKN:
1) DeMar DeRozan, 72
2) Kyle Lowry, 35
3) Deron Williams, 31
4) Joe Johnson, 29
5) Jonas Valanciunas, 21

Free throw attempts does not tell the story of when fouls are, and are not, called.

For example, if Toronto is down by 1 and Derozan goes for the game winning shot, and gets body slammed by all five Brooklyn players, then a non-call here would not even affect your FTA list despite it having major impact on the outcome of the game. It'll still look like Derozan got the benefit of the whistle all series long.

It's an extreme example but I'm just using it to illustrate the pointlessness of your post.

100? Would100 free throws for derozen do it?

If you understood my post then you would know the answer to your own question.

[Crazy_NBA_Fan]

The refs were a joke this game and it is a damn shame. The charging call on DeRozan was accurate and the Lowry play could've gone either way but the refs gave Amir Johnson 2 or 3 silly fouls that he didn't earn. The same thing they were doing to Jonas in the series when he was feeling it they did to Amir Johnson, which was getting quick fouls on them to be in foul trouble. These refs know exactly what they're doing. Please review Amir's third, fourth, and fifth foul calls and tell me its not BS.

Also, Brooklyn got away with holding and hand-checking the WHOLE SERIES. Whenever the Raptors tried to play like Brooklyn they would get a foul. Even that play in the final stretch of the game where Ross blew by Johnson to make the bucket, Johnson was holding Ross' forearm like CRAZY. That play should've been an AND 1. Furthermore, Lowry was FOULED TWICE on that final possession to win the game, first before the ball was inbounded, they were holding him. Secondly, Garnett bumped Lowry causing him to lose his balance before throwing a desperate shot up.

I honestly knew this series would consist of horrible calls on the part of the refs, but I didn't think Brooklyn would get away with as much as they did. I clearly predicted this by creating this thread and some of you guys thought it was all conspiracy talk by me. The Raptors could've easily beaten Brooklyn in this series the only question was will the refs allow them to? Well now that the series is over its pretty clear they didn't.