2014 College/Draft Prospects Thread II

Post #1401 » by **JDR720** » Wed May 7, 2014 1:58 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:So a 20 year old Beal won't get too much better than he is now? I highly doubt that.

In his prime he'll probably average 22/3/5 (PT/AST/REB) on 42/44/80 (3pt/FG%/FT) which is good but its not amazing

Liver_Pooty · Post #1402 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:00 am

JDR720 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:So a 20 year old Beal won't get too much better than he is now? I highly doubt that.

In his prime he'll probably average 22/3/5 (PT/AST/REB) on 42/44/80 (3pt/FG%/FT) which is good but its not amazing

Lol um yeah, thats extremely good.

Post #1403 » by **JDR720** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:03 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:So a 20 year old Beal won't get too much better than he is now? I highly doubt that.

In his prime he'll probably average 22/3/5 (PT/AST/REB) on 42/44/80 (3pt/FG%/FT) which is good but its not amazing

Lol um yeah, thats extremely good.

yep but extremely good isn't amazing :wink:

Liver_Pooty · Post #1404 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:04 am

JDR720 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
JDR720 wrote:In his prime he'll probably average 22/3/5 (PT/AST/REB) on 42/44/80 (3pt/FG%/FT) which is good but its not amazing

Lol um yeah, thats extremely good.

yep but extremely good isn't amazing

I can see him being a multiple all star easily. As weak as the SG position is possibly as soon as next season.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1405 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:12 am

Id still rather have MKG though in the long run, but Beal is going to be fantastic.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1406 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:12 am

BigSlam wrote:Jordan Adams = Wes Mathews?

Not a bad comp.

Eoghan · Post #1407 » by **Eoghan** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:26 am

BigSlam wrote:Jordan Adams = Wes Mathews?

Even Wes Matthews is a better athlete. Decidedly so. Adams needs to tighten up the 3pt'er a bit too.

catch20two · Post #1408 » by **catch20two** » Wed May 7, 2014 1:55 pm

BigSlam wrote:Jordan Adams = Wes Mathews?

Two totally different players. Matthews earned his keep as a defender/energy guy that could shoot and score while Adams is a chuckster that don't know the definition of defense outside of gambling for steals and getting burned for it over half the time. Adams has improved as a defender tho. Maybe if he get better conditioned and really in shape this would be a good comparison.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1409 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed May 7, 2014 2:56 pm

catch20two wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Jordan Adams = Wes Mathews?

Two totally different players. Matthews earned his keep as a defender/energy guy that could shoot and score while Adams is a chuckster that don't know the definition of defense outside of gambling for steals and getting burned for it over half the time. Adams has improved as a defender tho. Maybe if he get better conditioned and really in shape this would be a good comparison.

Like you've stated, Jordan Adams has improved defensively. He could be a more than serviceable player in the NBA if he focus on defense and getting in better shape primarily, because his offensive repertoire & awareness is already there

LofJ · Post #1410 » by **LofJ** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:27 pm

So if forced to pick between Adams and Hairston who would you guys go with?

HornetJail · Post #1411 » by **HornetJail** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:45 pm

LofJ wrote:So if forced to pick between Adams and Hairston who would you guys go with?

pj

mrknowitall215 · Post #1412 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed May 7, 2014 3:52 pm

LofJ wrote:So if forced to pick between Adams and Hairston who would you guys go with?

I would definitely probably go with P.J. Hairston based on current projections, but it's not definitive that he'd be better NBA player than Jordan Adams in the long run. I'd just prefer Hairston because he's the better shooting marksmen, but Adams has the better all-around offensive repertoire

Eoghan · Post #1413 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 8, 2014 12:18 am

LofJ wrote:So if forced to pick between Adams and Hairston who would you guys go with?

Adams.

That Hairston boy is trouble, I be telling you.

amcoolio · Post #1414 » by **amcoolio** » Thu May 8, 2014 12:23 am

We should do the Hornets war room this year. Might as well since its so slow. Anyone want to volunteer? :wink:

Post #1415 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 8, 2014 12:55 am

amcoolio wrote:We should do the Hornets war room this year. Might as well since its so slow. Anyone want to volunteer?

i was thinking about this today... since we arent picking til 24, would it be best to just remove the top 10 consensus players and start at #11?

that way we can have about 3 days per pick rather than trying to rush thru the first 23 picks. is there really any sense in us debating who we would want between wiggins and parker? or smart and exum?

food for thought

BeesWax · Post #1416 » by **BeesWax** » Thu May 8, 2014 1:15 am

fatlever wrote:
amcoolio wrote:We should do the Hornets war room this year. Might as well since its so slow. Anyone want to volunteer?

i was thinking about this today... since we arent picking til 24, would it be best to just remove the top 10 consensus players and start at #11?

that way we can have about 3 days per pick rather than trying to rush thru the first 23 picks. is there really any sense in us debating who we would want between wiggins and parker? or smart and exum?

food for thought

That is a good call. That way more time is spent on possibilities.

Post #1417 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 8, 2014 2:43 am

amcoolio wrote:We should do the Hornets war room this year. Might as well since its so slow. Anyone want to volunteer?

We need to wait until the lottery is done - in case we land the Pistons pick.

That would make the top 10 picks relevant.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1418 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu May 8, 2014 2:23 pm

Top 10 wings

1. Andrew Wiggins, Fr., Kansas (1)
2. Jabari Parker, Fr, Duke (2)
3. Gary Harris, So, Michigan State (10)
4. Nik Stauskas, So., Michigan (11)
5. Doug McDermott, Sr., Creighton (13)
6. James Young, Fr., Kentucky (15)
7. P.J. Hairston, So., Texas Legends (NBDL) (16)
8. Rodney Hood, So., Duke (20)
9. Jerami Grant, So., Syracuse (21)
10. K.J. McDaniels, Jr, Clemson (22

McDermott and Stauskas will battle it out for the title of best shooter in the draft, but they are different players. McDermott is more of a 3 or 4 while Stauskas is more of a 2 or 1. McDermott might be the best pure scorer in the draft, but lacks the athleticism of Stauskas. I think it's Stauskas' versatility offensively that will get him a slight nod over McDermott, but it will probably come down to positional need for teams. If you need a guard, Stauskas is the guy. If you need a forward, McDermott might be it.

Young and Hairston also are intriguing as prototypical NBA wings with size, solid athleticism and deep range on their jumper. However, each has a few warts that keep them below players like McDermott and Stauskas. For Young, while his stroke looks pure, his shots didn't go in at the rate scouts expected this season. In the case of Hairston, his off-court issues hurt his stock. He's going to have to prove to scouts he can stay out of trouble when the temptations quadruple in the NBA. But both players have lottery-level talent. Workouts and interviews will be key for both.

We should probably throw Hood into the conversation as well. He's another lights-out shooter with deep range and great size for his position. He's just seen as a little more one-dimensional than the other players we discussed. Will he do anything other than shoot?

The other two players on our list -- Grant and McDaniels -- are among the top five athletes in the draft. They are both explosive leapers and are very quick for their size; the problem is that they still lack a polished perimeter game. In some ways, they are NBA 4s trapped in the bodies of an NBA wing. They both have potential there, but with shooting at a premium, you can see why the shooters have moved ahead of them on the board. Again, workouts will be key for both. If they shoot the ball well, they'll move up.

Stun704 · Post #1419 » by **Stun704** » Fri May 9, 2014 3:08 pm

fatlever wrote:
amcoolio wrote:We should do the Hornets war room this year. Might as well since its so slow. Anyone want to volunteer?

i was thinking about this today... since we arent picking til 24, would it be best to just remove the top 10 consensus players and start at #11?

that way we can have about 3 days per pick rather than trying to rush thru the first 23 picks. is there really any sense in us debating who we would want between wiggins and parker? or smart and exum?

food for thought

We should start at 9 incase we get Detroits pick :wink:

Post #1420 » by **fatlever** » Sat May 10, 2014 12:20 am

we can start at #9 if we can easily agree on the top 8.

wiggins, parker, embiid, exum, smart, randle - those 6 will be gone by #9 baring some crazy bad workouts.

who is next? vonlah, saric, harris, mcdermott, ennis etc... that group is much tougher to predict. maybe we can just start at #7.