2013 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question

Post #661 » by **kdawg32086** » Fri May 2, 2014 5:57 pm

Jeff, where do you see the top rated tackles in this draft going? I've seen a lot of rumors this past week about tackles:

I saw that the Jags worked out Matthews? Would be interesting if they ended up with Joeckel/Matthews as their tackles.

Lots of talk about Jeff Fisher's record of never drafting an OL in the first round before, related to the mocks projecting the Rams to get Robinson.

Some chatter about Zack Martin working out for the Cowboys. Would Jerry take an OL two years in a row?

Also, seems that the top tackle left on the board when Baltimore picks will be their choice at 17...seen a lot of 2nd round tackles going at 17 in mocks. Kinda interesting but idk.

Which of these rumors actually holds some weight and what rumors are just blowing smoke?

Post #662 » by **Icness** » Sun May 4, 2014 2:30 pm

kdawg32086 wrote:Jeff, where do you see the top rated tackles in this draft going? I've seen a lot of rumors this past week about tackles:

I saw that the Jags worked out Matthews? Would be interesting if they ended up with Joeckel/Matthews as their tackles.

Lots of talk about Jeff Fisher's record of never drafting an OL in the first round before, related to the mocks projecting the Rams to get Robinson.

Some chatter about Zack Martin working out for the Cowboys. Would Jerry take an OL two years in a row?

Also, seems that the top tackle left on the board when Baltimore picks will be their choice at 17...seen a lot of 2nd round tackles going at 17 in mocks. Kinda interesting but idk.

Which of these rumors actually holds some weight and what rumors are just blowing smoke?

Robinson and Matthews are top 6 picks.

I don't see JAX going OT over pass rusher or QB in either of 1st two rounds.

Past draft history in terms of stuff like "Fisher never takes a 1st round tackle" or "Giants never take 1st round LB" are overplayed. Not irrelevant, but overplayed. Circumstances change, coaches/teams adapt.

Zach Martin goes anywhere from 8 to 17. Lewan could go 9th but I doubt he's a top 20 pick. He's tough to project because of his Incognito factor weighed against his physical skills. I can tell you the Michigan folks haven't exactly had his back when teams have asked.

James is a first-rounder, hard to peg where. I know the Dolphins like him a lot. Patriots and Panthers are definitely in play too.

I'll be very surprised if the Cowboys don't go defense with both their 1st and 2nd rounders. Very surprised. Only possibility that I see is if they can get Manziel or Sammy Watkins.

Post #663 » by **Icness** » Sun May 4, 2014 2:33 pm

hermes wrote:where the top qbs are going has been all over the place the last few weeks, for a while all three would be gone before the vikings at 8 and now i've seen where people have all three available at 8 - don't think i've seen the qbs all over the place like these have been

so my question is: if all three qbs (bridgewater, bortles and manziel) are there at 8, what do the vikings do? do they take their favorite of the three, trade back and still get one because they don't really favor one over another or defense and go for qb later?

Here's how my final teamless mock (always my most accurate one in terms of player/slot) has the QBs:

Manziel 7th
Carr 8th
Bortles 26th
Bridgewater 30th

Carr to the Vikings is a very real possibility.

Post #664 » by **TyCobb** » Sun May 4, 2014 7:43 pm

Nice to see Bridgewater dropping. That guy seems fragile is a number of ways.

Post #665 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:08 pm

There have been so many reports about the Falcons possibly trading up to number 1 to take Clowney. How much do you think the Falcons would have to give up to get the trade up to number 1 done?

Post #666 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue May 6, 2014 9:52 pm

ATL Boy wrote:There have been so many reports about the Falcons possibly trading up to number 1 to take Clowney. How much do you think the Falcons would have to give up to get the trade up to number 1 done?

I'd be surprised if Houston settled for anything less than a 1st, 3rd, 4th and next year's 1st.

Post #667 » by **Icness** » Tue May 6, 2014 11:29 pm

Three "hot" rumors I heard today from generally credible sources:

1. If the Falcons trade up to #1, it might be for Greg Robinson and not Clowney. That goes on the presumption Robinson will go #2 to STL, which I do believe happens.

2. One of Buffalo and Detroit is going to take an offer from either the Jets or Eagles, both of whom are gunning for the same guy: Odell Beckham Jr.

3. Teddy Bridgewater's draft floor is the New England Patriots at #29.

blazza18 · Post #668 » by **blazza18** » Wed May 7, 2014 4:41 am

Is Philly really that enamored over Beckham that they'd want to give up multiple picks to get him when they could just wait until 22 and go with Lee or Latimer ? I could see them moving up if Evans slides, but not anyone else. I actually think Philly might be more interested in moving up for a defensive player instead and this whole moving up for a receiver is just a smokescreen.

Post #669 » by **Icness** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:20 pm

blazza18 wrote::sigh: Is Philly really that enamored over Beckham that they'd want to give up multiple picks to get him when they could just wait until 22 and go with Lee or Latimer ? I could see them moving up if Evans slides, but not anyone else. I actually think Philly might be more interested in moving up for a defensive player instead and this whole moving up for a receiver is just a smokescreen.

I don't think Philly is moving that far up. I do have the Jets moving up to 10 to get him in my final mock draft. Josh Huff from Oregon in the 4th round makes too much sense for Philly.

Post #670 » by **Icness** » Wed May 7, 2014 12:23 pm

ATL Boy wrote:There have been so many reports about the Falcons possibly trading up to number 1 to take Clowney. How much do you think the Falcons would have to give up to get the trade up to number 1 done?

It could be Greg Robinson and not Clowney that's the target, and it would take 1sts in '14 & 15, 2nd this year and probably a third day pick TBD.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #671 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Wed May 7, 2014 9:48 pm

Seems like there is a lot of smoke on SF making a big leap in the draft. How high are they willing to go, specifically for Bekcham Jr.? I can't see them trading into the top 10 for him but I guess you never know. If that is too high, is there another player they covet in the top 15?

Post #672 » by **Icness** » Wed May 7, 2014 11:33 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Seems like there is a lot of smoke on SF making a big leap in the draft. How high are they willing to go, specifically for Bekcham Jr.? I can't see them trading into the top 10 for him but I guess you never know. If that is too high, is there another player they covet in the top 15?

They have so darn many picks.

I've heard that they would really like Mike Evans but that seems unfathomable of a leap. I know DAL is looking to fall back from 16 and that's the move I made in the final mock draft. That's a pure guess on my part though. They got Kelvin Benjamin, who I do believe is going to go higher than people expect.

Anthony Barr makes some sense for when they finally have had enough of Aldon Smith's antics. They have to get above 11th to get him because that Barr/Titans marriage is one of the three most confident picks I have in this entire draft.

Twolf16 · Post #673 » by **Twolf16** » Thu May 8, 2014 12:14 am

Here's a great question! What's the scoop on Manziel? Where is he going? What's the furthest he falls?

Post #674 » by **Icness** » Thu May 8, 2014 1:41 am

Twolf16 wrote:Here's a great question! What's the scoop on Manziel? Where is he going? What's the furthest he falls?

I don't think he falls farther than 7th, but I don't think he goes in the top 2.

I think his unique abilities present a great opportunity for a good, creative coach, and that will intrigue someone enough that he doesn't fall like some think he will

Devilzsidewalk · Post #675 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu May 8, 2014 4:09 am

any random thoughts on Allen Robinson?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #676 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu May 8, 2014 4:28 am

another question: what'll be the first RUFKM shocker pick ala Bruce Irvin a couple years ago, Justin Harrell in '07, and yes, Christian Ponder in 2011.

Post #677 » by **Icness** » Thu May 8, 2014 4:11 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:any random thoughts on Allen Robinson?

He's >>>>> Jordan Matthews. Very solid wideout, uses his body well. Kinda streaky from what I watched but neither Ohio State (Roby mostly) nor Nebraska (Jean-Baptiste almost exclusively) could cover him at all.

Post #678 » by **Icness** » Thu May 8, 2014 4:11 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:another question: what'll be the first RUFKM shocker pick ala Bruce Irvin a couple years ago, Justin Harrell in '07, and yes, Christian Ponder in 2011.

Ja'Wuan James, could go 19th to Miami.

Post #679 » by **studcrackers** » Thu May 8, 2014 5:57 pm

not gonna lie jeff, i think that draft sucks ass for the cowboys (not that it's what you'd do)

righterwriter · Post #680 » by **righterwriter** » Thu May 8, 2014 7:37 pm

Why did you mock the Niners trading a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd pick in this incredibly deep draft to get Kelvin Benjamin?

If it doesn't make sense to you-- which seems to be what you are saying in your description of the trade-- why would you suggest that it happens?

As a Niners fan, not only is the value way, way off to go from 30 to 16 (last year they traded #31 and a 3rd rd pick to move up to #18) but its for a guy that mimics Boldin and Crabtree, being another big WR that is less than speedy. I'd think that they'd at least take a smaller WR that can take the top off of the defense and can play in the slot.

Really, really strange prediction.