whats mitch mcgary ceiling?

[ManualRam]

the main difference b/t a lee and mcgary is the level of physicality. lee's more of a finesse player. mcgary's borderline dirty with his physical play. lee's more of a pick and slip guy, with some pop ability that he developed over time. mcgary is a massive screener. he really looks to dislodge defenders on screens. lee was more skilled too. he's more agile with better body control around the rim and painted area. he also had a more educated off-hand. he's almost ambidextrous with his finishes. mcgary's agility isn't bad at all, surprising for a guy his size, but he's more liable to power up through defenders, banging them off-balance. he really needs to work on his off-hand too.

[SBM]

David Lee, he will be able to play both PF and C and he has a good pick and roll game plus good at rebounding. Maybe even Al Horford. I think he can be the steal of the draft and hope my Hawks pick him.

Why? If he went to your team, he'd be behind Millsap, Horford, Antic and possibly other bigs. He'd be at the end of the bench. I would hate your team if you picked him up.

Antic is more of a specialist. Millsap has one year left on his contract. Brand is old. Mike Scott is a good young player but he is more of a stretch 4. He would be only behind Horford when you consider they both can play PF and C.

[Dr Positivity]

Lee is more athletic on the offensive end than McGary. McGary may be a better defensive athlete. I think biggest difference is Lee is more skilled, though

[On_Wisconsin]

Definatly not his ceiling but how about Tyler Hansbourgh???

[ManualRam]

Definatly not his ceiling but how about Tyler Hansbourgh???

he's bigger, more skilled, has better feet and he doesn't play like he has no brain. when he catches the ball he can actually make good decisions with it. he's also better defensively moving laterally. mcgary's a really good PnR player as well, whereas hansbrough is only a threat popping.

[Nolan]

I see a lot of Brad Miller in him.

[greenandgold]

McGary is Nick Collison 2.0

Big, physical, plays with incredible energy. Makes tons of winning plays on both ends (including things that don't show up in the box score).

A lot of role player potential. "No stats all-star" and plus-minus killer like Collison.

[Ruzious]

McGary is Nick Collison 2.0

Big, physical, plays with incredible energy. Makes tons of winning plays on both ends (including things that don't show up in the box score).

A lot of role player potential. "No stats all-star" and plus-minus killer like Collison.

McGary is a little bigger guy than Collison - probably an inch and a half taller and a little wider. He's also a better rebounder - McGary put up impressive rebounding numbers per 40 minutes. Collison gets a surprisingly low amount of boards. And McGary will likely be a good scorer once he gets acclimated to the NBA - though Collison deserves credit for being very unselfish and doing everything he can to help his team win.

McGary's not quite as old as has been talked about in this thread. He's 21 and will turn 22 just before the draft. It's still old for amount of experience, but he's not 23.

[tmorgan]

I was prepared to come in here and defend McGary as a viable NBA starter down the road, and yet it turns out most of what I'm reading is probably overrating him, at least for now.

He's skilled for a college big, has a very good motor, can pass a little, can defend a little, and has no glaring weakness for a center coming out of college.

But... his offense isn't refined at all, his ten-to-fifteen footer from the elbow area isn't reliable, he's turnover prone, he has health issues, he's not big for a pro C and may end up a bit of a tweener -- I'm worried that adding the size necessary to play center would wreck his back and knees.

I'd definitely draft him, maybe even late 1st as a project, but he still has a ton of work to do to deserve comparisons to Varejao, DLee, Nene, or anyone else mentioned in this thread. A TON.

[Golden Angel]

Poor mans Nick Collison

[greenandgold]

McGary is Nick Collison 2.0

Big, physical, plays with incredible energy. Makes tons of winning plays on both ends (including things that don't show up in the box score).

A lot of role player potential. "No stats all-star" and plus-minus killer like Collison.

McGary is a little bigger guy than Collison - probably an inch and a half taller and a little wider. He's also a better rebounder - McGary put up impressive rebounding numbers per 40 minutes. Collison gets a surprisingly low amount of boards. And McGary will likely be a good scorer once he gets acclimated to the NBA - though Collison deserves credit for being very unselfish and doing everything he can to help his team win.

McGary's not quite as old as has been talked about in this thread. He's 21 and will turn 22 just before the draft. It's still old for amount of experience, but he's not 23.

Nick Collison was a monster rebounder at Kansas. Very similar to McGary on per minute basis. The comparison holds.

[SBM]

Collison's rebounding rates were never as good as McGary's in college and he stayed 4 years. McGary definitely has more upside than Collison and is a better rebounder already

[Ruzious]

McGary is Nick Collison 2.0

Big, physical, plays with incredible energy. Makes tons of winning plays on both ends (including things that don't show up in the box score).

A lot of role player potential. "No stats all-star" and plus-minus killer like Collison.

McGary is a little bigger guy than Collison - probably an inch and a half taller and a little wider. He's also a better rebounder - McGary put up impressive rebounding numbers per 40 minutes. Collison gets a surprisingly low amount of boards. And McGary will likely be a good scorer once he gets acclimated to the NBA - though Collison deserves credit for being very unselfish and doing everything he can to help his team win.

McGary's not quite as old as has been talked about in this thread. He's 21 and will turn 22 just before the draft. It's still old for amount of experience, but he's not 23.

Nick Collison was a monster rebounder at Kansas. Very similar to McGary on per minute basis. The comparison holds.

Drew Gooden and Collison were freshmen together at Kansas. Gooden averaged 11.4 rebounds per game while Collison averaged 8.3. Gooden was the monster, while Collison was good. McGary averaged a rebound more per 40 than Collison did. Collison has been less than stellar as a rebounder in the NBA. McGary will very likely be better - perhaps considerably better. He's a more gifted player, imo.

[greenandgold]

Height and weight also very similar.

Collison at pre-draft camp: 6'10" in shoes, 255 pounds, 7'1.5" wingspan
McGary at the Lebron James camp: 6'10.5" in shoes, 266 pounds, 6'11.5" wingspan

McGary's fatter but Collison has the 2 inch advantage in wingspan. There's no major size difference between the two players.

[greenandgold]

My argument is that if he's Nick Collison 2.0, then McGary should be a top 10 pick. It's hard to find great role players and flat out winners.

McGary's a better rebounder for his age but Collison averaged 12.4 rebounds per 40 his last two years in college. That's excellent.

[Browns16]

Better than Varejao. He's bigger, has more offensive skills, and is a better rebounder.

Varejao was a pretty damn good rebounder, especially when healthy. Not quite elite, but very good. I can see the argument for McGary being more skilled, but like ManRam said the big differenec is Varejao just didn't have a reliable midrange J early in his career. In terms of everything else he was pretty skilled. You weren't ever going to dump it down to him in the low post and tell him to go to work, but I don't see that being McGary's game at all either. He's going to score off putbacks/hustle, dumpoffs, running the floor, hard dives, and the a few mid range Js from the high post/FT line area.

When he was playing for real in the beginning of last season, he was averaging 14 and 10. People were thinking he was going to be an All-Star. Then he had that heart thing that took him out for the rest of the year. And this year, he never really got into the groove. I think on the right team, if he manages to stay healthy, he could potentially be a fringe all-star again. Or I might just have a lot of hope in me.

Varejao is an amazing rebounder, he was averaging 14.4 boards a game last season and averaged about 10 this year in only 27 minutes a game

[Ruzious]

My argument is that if he's Nick Collison 2.0, then McGary should be a top 10 pick. It's hard to find great role players and flat out winners.

McGary's a better rebounder for his age but Collison averaged 12.4 rebounds per 40 his last two years in college. That's excellent.

You make valid points, but the problem with McGary is his health. If he had stayed healthy during his college career, I think he likely would have been top 10 material.

[greenandgold]

My argument is that if he's Nick Collison 2.0, then McGary should be a top 10 pick. It's hard to find great role players and flat out winners.

McGary's a better rebounder for his age but Collison averaged 12.4 rebounds per 40 his last two years in college. That's excellent.

You make valid points, but the problem with McGary is his health. If he had stayed healthy during his college career, I think he likely would have been top 10 material.

Health and the marijuana smoke are big concerns. Unfortunately the failed drug test probably takes him off the first round draft boards of a few teams. Can't see Sam Presti using either first round pick on him because of the blunts.

[cammac]

Back-up C and would take a real C like Bachynski ahead of him.

[The_Hater]

McGary reminds me of Nick Collison a little bit. Similar size. Has some skill but not enough to be a big scorer. Plays hard. Both decent athletes.