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[catch20two]

They got 15 PPG and 9 boards from Monroe. If Gordon suffers an injury they could be even worse.

It's not about the production. It's about the fit. They're never going to win with Monroe, Smith, and Drummond in the frontcourt together playing starter minutes.

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

[BeesWax]

It's not about the production. It's about the fit. They're never going to win with Monroe, Smith, and Drummond in the frontcourt together playing starter minutes.

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

[Liver_Pooty]

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

A top 10 pick, new good head coach, assets that can be traded for better fits (Monroe), cap room.

Those are all rather good things to have for a team to turn things around in a hurry...

[JDR720]

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

He is totally a Magic worker, he coached them for years

[JDR720]

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

A top 10 pick, new good head coach, assets that can be traded for better fits (Monroe), cap room.

Those are all rather good things to have for a team to turn things around in a hurry...

a lot more ways for them to get better than worse

[JDR720]

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

Dumars blew the cap room, and he is gone im pretty sure Stan isn't that dumb

[BeesWax]

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

A top 10 pick, new good head coach, assets that can be traded for better fits (Monroe), cap room.

Those are all rather good things to have for a team to turn things around in a hurry...

They sure are if you hit on all of them and the pieces they have fit the style the coach runs. The odds of them pulling it off re pretty low. I seriously doubt they are a playoff team next season because they have far to many teams to pass and to many teams in as good or better situation to better themselves.

[JDR720]

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

A top 10 pick, new good head coach, assets that can be traded for better fits (Monroe), cap room.

Those are all rather good things to have for a team to turn things around in a hurry...

They sure are if you hit on all of them and the pieces they have fit the style the coach runs. The odds of them pulling it off re pretty low. I seriously doubt they are a playoff team next season because they have far to many teams to pass and to many teams in as good or better situation to better themselves.

they dont have to be a playoff team to screw us over, the only way we win that Gordon trade is they get a top 5 pick, them getting the 9th pick again in a weaker draft wont help us that much, would much rather have the 9th pick this draft, hell they weren't even a bottom 5 team tanking the majority of the season in a historically bad East

[MasterIchiro]

I don't think Gary Harris wins the Ben Gordon trade.

Mudiay, for sure.

[JDR720]

I don't think Gary Harris wins the Ben Gordon trade.

Mudiay, for sure.

Mudiay is a top 5 pick....which we wont get

[MasterIchiro]

I don't think Gary Harris wins the Ben Gordon trade.

Mudiay, for sure.

Mudiay is a top 5 pick....which we wont get

I'm optimistic.

Fat's accuses me of being pessimistic.

[LofJ]

If the Pistons hire Stan I want that pick this year, it'll be worse than 9th next year if he's in Detroit.

Come on Warriors up the ante! I know you can afford to outbid the Pistons.

The cost of living is ridiculous in the Bay, but anyone with a sane mind would know without question that living in San Francisco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>living in Detroit.

[catch20two]

I agree I just don't think the player they get for Monroe is going to necessarily improve their team immediately like a healthy Gordon would. I think they'll end up with a mid first draft pick for Monroe if they're lucky. They'll still have Jennings and Smith starting and 2 rookies.

They wreak of rebuild.

You'd be surprised what a competent coach and a better fit of players can do for them. Drummond, Smith, and Jennings are all borderline all-star talents that never played for a top notch coach. Let SVG get ahold of them with whoever they get from trading Monroe, their lottery pick, and their cap space they could be a dangerous team next year.

Or they could blow the pick and the cap room, like they did this year, and be a terrible team. You are counting on low BB IQ players suddenly coming around because of one guy. He is a good coach but not a magic worker.

I know y'all want to keep y'all hopes up that SVG can't turn the Pistons around and we'll land their pick in the top 10 next year but let's be serious, they are going to get better with SVG coaching, cap space, and a lottery pick.

[amcoolio]

Its amazing how far Monroe has fallen in just one season. Maybe he goes somewhere on the cheap and becomes a 20/10 player. Too bad it can't be here because Monroe is basically Jefferson-lite and the two couldn't play together I don't think.

If I'm the Pistons, I simply draft McDermott, get Jennings off the roster in any way possible without getting in more salary, either trade Monroe for a PG or move him to the bench (there's no way they can move Smith...unless the Knicks or Cavs are dumb enough to take him (hey the Knicks took Bargnani for a first)), and try to get that 8 seed.

I don't think we can take Jennings here even though I want Henderson off the roster, hes basically a less clutch, more inefficient Kemba with slightly more assists. We desperately need at least one pure point on the roster.

[mrknowitall215]

Anybody trying to trick themselves into believing that the Pistons won't be a serious playoff contender, anywhere between the 4th-8th seed, with Stan Van Gundy coaching them, without mentioning the allowances like cap space & a lottery draft pick to allow them to improve, need to stop it

Stan Van Gundy has never had a losing record as a coach. 42-40 was the worst season he's had, and that was his 1st season coaching as a head coach & Dwyane Wade was a rookie

[MasterIchiro]

People keep hammering on cap space yet they're the same ones struggling to justify giving out any of our cap space to any of these cast of free agents.

It's like we're stuck with all this money we can't invest wisely yet the Pistons, the f'n PISTONS are going to work magic with this cap space and this class.

GTFO

[MasterIchiro]

And plenty of other teams, including us, have just as much if not more cap space to bid on this cast of free agents and these other teams are better destinations!

So it boils down to the draft pick.

An overrated draft class.

McDermott isn't going to do **** in his rookie season in detroit with jennings as the PG. Which is why the Pistons will draft a PG, Smart if he's there or Ennis.

So you're looking at useless cap space and likely Ennis or Smart who can't shoot.

[MotownMadness]

SVG is going to make this kid a beast next season.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvryuQDtWA[/youtube]

[catch20two]

People keep hammering on cap space yet they're the same ones struggling to justify giving out any of our cap space to any of these cast of free agents.

It's like we're stuck with all this money we can't invest wisely yet the Pistons, the f'n PISTONS are going to work magic with this cap space and this class.

GTFO

We all know that Stephenson, Hayward, Ariza, Deng, and whoever would make our team better. The arguments in the free agency thread is about which player is worth our last bit of cap space as a final piece to our core because once we sign that player we are pretty much locked in for the next 3 years or so.

[JDR720]

It has happened, SVG to the Pistons
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10928 ... llion-deal