2013-14 Player of the Year Discussion Thread

[bondom34]

Man, I wanna give credit to OKC but that "compensation" on the foul they missed for out of bounds is dangerous and quite frankly BS. OKC probably wins this series now but I hope NBA really cleans this for the remaining playoff games.

They missed so much this game, I don't even know what to make of it, but I'm biased.

Yeah, I can understand that and appreciate that you are honest but as someone who doesn't really care who wins this series, it was a hard game to watch. OKC obviously rallied but that compensation call after the review, not calling the foul for CP on the other end, and some of the FTs Russ and KD took were a little soft.

Doc is probably getting a 50K fine tomorrow . He went off.

Refs are lucky Doc didn't knock them out!

[bondom34]

Stu Jackson said it was the right call? Huh?

[ronnymac2]

C'mon, relax. Relax...

End of the first quarter of Game 4, I started watching the game. I knew immediately the Clippers were going to win despite being down like 20 points. They were playing their A game — it just wasn't yielding positive results yet.

After Game 4, I said OKC takes down Game 5 in a close game, then the Clippers will hold a small lead throughout Game 6 and hold on, and then Game 7 will be amazing...no clue who wins.

It's all part of the plan. Clippers weren't supposed to win this game anyway. Playing with house money tonight. Lose Game 5. Big whoop.

Full Disclosure: I appreciate and like both teams, but I am actively rooting for the Clippers in this series. I also predicted OKC would win the series before it started, but now I honestly don't know who will win Game 7, though I might give a slight edge to OKC if I had to decide.

[PaulieWal]

Stu Jackson said it was the right call? Huh?

Yeah, but Stu Jackson isn't going to say the refs messed up. I would take that with a grain of salt.

Honestly, I don't even care I just want the NBA to clamp down on this dangerous precedent that they have set. If you miss a foul they can't start awarding compensation calls with the replay. That's all. No one is denying that Reggie got fouled but they can't start this precedent of "make-up calls" on review. That defeats the whole purpose of it. Imagine if that happened in a Finals game. Then I would lose it lol.

[microfib4thewin]

Tnt confirmed this as official rule. Thoughts?

Pretty sure that rule was added after Game 2 of the 2010 Finals when Pau hit KG's hand causing an out of bounds.

[ceiling raiser]

Tnt confirmed this as official rule. Thoughts?

Thing is though, didn't refs have this angle?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_6vb7TfZ8[/youtube]

If it's off his other hand how does the highlighted rule come into play?

[PaulieWal]

Tnt confirmed this as official rule. Thoughts?

Thing is though, didn't refs have this angle?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_6vb7TfZ8[/youtube]

If it's off his other hand how does the highlighted rule come into play?

I don't buy for one second that the replay was "inconclusive". All of us could see that it was off Reggie, even Kerr and Albert were saying how they expect it to be Clips ball and then they gave it to OKC.

[RSCD3_]

I expect chris paul to have a monster game 6 and also Kd has been very lucky this postseason, almost went down 3-1 against the grizz, and 3-2 against the clips while shooting around 30 percent. I mean these aren't bad games they're terrible and even though LeBron is indeed facing weaker competition, this KD dropoff has been pretty severe

[Jaivl]

Well... we DID get helped. Now I know what it feels. I can't enjoy victory like that.

[ceiling raiser]

Final thoughts:

• There were some unquestionably horrible calls, but CP3 needs to accept the intentional foul instead of trying to get a shot up.

• KD had a brutal, brutal game, but they don't win without him. Some huge shots down the stretch. Again though, he's a big part of why they were in that position late in that game.

• BG with one of the most blatant moving screens of the year (though he's had some other bad ones this year). I think that's the reason that what appeared to be a reach-in wasn't called. Not sure why the intentional fouling of (I believe) Ibaka went without a whistle for 3 seconds to end the game.

• I've always had tremendous respect for Doc, and I'm very happy with the route he went during the presser. I think it's too late though. Not sure what the protocol would've been to play a game under protest, but if that was possible it could've been something to consider (but with video replay as your evidence, not sure of you can do that; would open up a huge can of worms). I do think officiating will improve for the rest of the playoffs...the media will and rightfully should call out the crew today, and the league won't want this to happen again.

• Not sure if my eye test is failing me, but Westbrook can't be guarded by Paul, the post up advantage is massive. Going with this again for any extended time in G6 is essentially waving the white flag IMO.

Nothing too insightful. On-topic, I need to strongly reconsider putting WB in my top 5.

[bondom34]

fpliii:

Yeah, I didn't want to put Russ in my top 5, partially b/c I realize I'm a fan and partially due to missed time in the RS, but I'm starting to consider it as well. I still feel weird doing it, but he's been OKC's best player by a fair margin, and depending how far they go may be the reason they get there.

Also, small confession:

I was starting to change the channel and missed a couple of plays on the comeback, had to watch highlights. As soon as I saw the replay of the out of bounds w/ RJ and Barnes, I changed the channel, saw someone post "its rigged" on the gen board, and my jaw dropped when I turned TNT back on!

Edit: I was doing the thing where OKC was down 10, I change the channel and they make a run, I turn it on they go back down 10, etc. Figured I was jinxing it . When CP3 put em up 7 I figured it had to be over (right?), then I see people on the gen board talking about a choke job and turn on TNT to see its a 2 point game.

BTW, excellent headline on the Thunder truehoop blog for the game summary: "Something happened and the Thunder won"

[SideshowBob]

• Not sure if my eye test is failing me, but Westbrook can't be guarded by Paul, the post up advantage is massive. Going with this again for any extended time in G6 is essentially waving the white flag IMO.

Nothing too insightful. On-topic, I need to strongly reconsider putting WB in my top 5.

Where do you have him SRS wise?

ElGee's odds don't offer that much of a penalty for missed RS time for a player around Russell's level (assuming they play in the postseason).

[ceiling raiser]

• Not sure if my eye test is failing me, but Westbrook can't be guarded by Paul, the post up advantage is massive. Going with this again for any extended time in G6 is essentially waving the white flag IMO.

Nothing too insightful. On-topic, I need to strongly reconsider putting WB in my top 5.

Where do you have him SRS wise?

ElGee's odds don't offer that much of a penalty for missed RS time for a player around Russell's level (assuming they play in the postseason).

Not sure. Maybe +3.5 or +4.0 / +0.5? Haven't really thought about it yet. What about you?

[SideshowBob]

• Not sure if my eye test is failing me, but Westbrook can't be guarded by Paul, the post up advantage is massive. Going with this again for any extended time in G6 is essentially waving the white flag IMO.

Nothing too insightful. On-topic, I need to strongly reconsider putting WB in my top 5.

Where do you have him SRS wise?

ElGee's odds don't offer that much of a penalty for missed RS time for a player around Russell's level (assuming they play in the postseason).

Not sure. Maybe +3.5 or +4.0 / +0.5? Haven't really thought about it yet. What about you?

Same. Had him +3.5 last year as well. Wonder what he would have looked like had he been healthy all season.

[ardee]

I love it. I started the Russ for top 5 bandwagon and it's overflowing now

He's 28/7/10 on 49/39/89 since Game 4 of the Memphis series.

I think him and Durant have switched bodies somehow, that's the only explanation.

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[HeartBreakKid]

Westbrook top 5 for one series after a mediocre RS by his standards? Talk about getting caught up in the moment, I mean he didn't exactly tear up the Grizzlies(he was out played by Michael Conley...). If we're going to just award guys based on being on fire for having one series, why not give Lamarcus Alridge top 5 status too?

Westbrook is feasting on a great match up, I don't see how that makes him a top 5 player in the NBA.

[RebelWithACause]

Westbrook top 5 for one series after a mediocre RS by his standards? Talk about getting caught up in the moment, I mean he didn't exactly tear up the Grizzlies(he was out played by Michael Conley...). If we're going to just award guys based on being on fire for having one series, why not give Lamarcus Alridge top 5 status too?

Westbrook is feasting on a great match up, I don't see how that makes him a top 5 player in the NBA.

Mediocre RS?

Incomplete RS? Yes
Needing some games to get back in rhythm after he was out multiple times? Yes

Mediocre? Hell no

[RebelWithACause]

Where do you have him SRS wise?

ElGee's odds don't offer that much of a penalty for missed RS time for a player around Russell's level (assuming they play in the postseason).

Not sure. Maybe +3.5 or +4.0 / +0.5? Haven't really thought about it yet. What about you?

Same. Had him +3.5 last year as well. Wonder what he would have looked like had he been healthy all season.

I have him as a +4.0 on offense and +0.5 on defense.

What are your numbers for CP3 and Curry? (Those 3 have been my Top3 PGs since last year basically)

[HeartBreakKid]

Westbrook top 5 for one series after a mediocre RS by his standards? Talk about getting caught up in the moment, I mean he didn't exactly tear up the Grizzlies(he was out played by Michael Conley...). If we're going to just award guys based on being on fire for having one series, why not give Lamarcus Alridge top 5 status too?

Westbrook is feasting on a great match up, I don't see how that makes him a top 5 player in the NBA.

Mediocre RS?

Incomplete RS? Yes
Needing some games to get back in rhythm after he was out multiple times? Yes

Mediocre? Hell no

22 points 7 assist on 4 turnovers is not even top ten material and was a downgrade from last year in which he wasn't top 5 either, Westbrook arguably wasn't even a top 15 player during the RS when he was on the floor, then you have to factor in he missed nearly half the regular season. Relative to the competition we're talking about (the best players in the NBA), he didn't have a great RS at all.

Anyone who is saying Westbrook is a top 5 player is going off the sports problem of "you're only as good as your last game". Two weeks ago, everyone was giving the Thunder lip for getting their asses whooped by the Thunder because their big two underperformed (not to mention they only passed round one because of a gift from the NBA via suspending Randolph).


I don't get it. Yes, he is destroying the Clippers, Chris Paul and their one way shooting guards can't guard him, but I don't get how that means Westbrook is a top 5 player. Blake Griffin isn't the talk of the town this series, but he's had a great post season on top of a great regular season. Lamarcus Alridge destroyed the Rockets. Tony Parker has had phenomenal games which has lead to blow outs in the second round. Westbrook is better than Howard, Love, Curry? Take out the Clipper series (not that it isn't important, but for comparisons sake) and where's the argument for it even being close?

I just don't see it. Westbrook didn't have a great season by his standards, much less in a season where so many guys performed at such a high level.

[ardee]

Westbrook top 5 for one series after a mediocre RS by his standards? Talk about getting caught up in the moment, I mean he didn't exactly tear up the Grizzlies(he was out played by Michael Conley...). If we're going to just award guys based on being on fire for having one series, why not give Lamarcus Alridge top 5 status too?

Westbrook is feasting on a great match up, I don't see how that makes him a top 5 player in the NBA.

When he played it was the most effective RS of his career. Triple doubles or near triple doubles galore, played well defensively and his shooting was great after he came back from injury.

He did tear up the Grizzlies. Come on. Efficiency was dragged down by a couple of poor games but 26/10/8 is beastly whichever way you look at it. After game 4 there was no looking back, he's been on an AT level tear since then.

#letrussberuss

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