why we lost tonight

Neddy · Post #1 » by **Neddy** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:35 am

#1 17 free throws awarded to OKC in 1st quarter alone, when they were chocking and couldn't make a shot

#2 that clear path call at the end of 2nd. I have never seen the rule be interpreted that way and neither has Steve Kerr.

#3. that was out of bounce with Reggie Jackson touching the last. the entire internet is buzzing about that call.

#4. a phantom foul by CP3 on Westbrook.

enough said. I am done with NBA.

50CALguns · Post #2 » by **50CALguns** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:42 am

#X) Doc Rivers didn't use his Timeouts to regroup and avoid [EDIT] what happened.

Hodges4Three · Post #3 » by **Hodges4Three** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:26 am

This is why Clips lost tonight

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

LACtdom · Post #4 » by **LACtdom** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:28 am

Please explain why:
All of our late plays (using up the shot clock) were JC chucking up prayers?
I'd prefer give it to griffin late for a post up and possibly get to the free throw line.

Some things to learn:
Fouling Durant is never a good idea because he always hits his FT's!
It's better to come away with 2 points and only use 15 seconds then to use 24 and come back with 0.

Some hard truths:
CP3 turned it over at a crucial time.
The refs made a terrible possession call.
CP3 had an weakly contested elbow jumper but didn't take it and ended up with a TO/should have been a foul.

HiRez · Post #5 » by **HiRez** » Wed May 14, 2014 8:54 am

Hodges4Three wrote:This is why Clips lost tonight

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

Oh, that's rich coming from a Clipper fan.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnkffENIAAEzSOc.jpg

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

Max Headrom · Post #6 » by **Max Headrom** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:00 am

HiRez wrote:
Hodges4Three wrote:This is why Clips lost tonight

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

Oh, that's rich coming from a Clipper fan.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnkffENIAAEzSOc.jpg

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

Yeah, you might want to go back to the Warriors board, not gonna end well for you...

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Post #7 » by **QRich3** » Wed May 14, 2014 2:33 pm

We obviously would've won if the refs had been just average bad like usual instead of abysmally one sided. But there's nothing we can do to change that for the next game (other than cry very loud, which Doc is doing a great job of).

What we can improve is our play down the stretch and I hope we adjust that. We got over anxious when we saw the game in our hands and stopped running plays. Iso ball hurt us a lot, but transition defense was even worse. I havent seen more than 2 of our guys crash the offensive glass all year, and yesterday we did it almost every play down the stretch, instead of being ready to get back on defense.

Ranma · Post #8 » by **Ranma** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:49 pm

HiRez wrote:Oh, that's rich coming from a Clipper fan.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnkffENIAAEzSOc.jpg

"Foul? What foul?" - Refs

Don't act like the Warriors didn't get most the of the--nevermind any--favorable calls in that series. Just listen to former NBA referee, Steve Javie, shamelessly try to justify a flagrant foul call on Hedo Turkoglu when there was none because of the situation rather than going by the rulebook.

He did this on national TV, no less. Even citing that the league might even disagree with it. Therein lies the problem. Referees, much like delusional Sterling, think they are entitled to artificially participate in the game. The people pay money to watch the players play the game, not the owners and most definitely not the referees. There is no honor among these effing hacks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWINqNVmcBA[/youtube]

madmaxmedia · Post #9 » by **madmaxmedia** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:08 pm

It was at least 80% on us (and most of that going to CP3), the rest going to the refs. We had a 13 point lead with 4 minutes left, and a 7 point lead with 49 seconds left. A 2 point lead and the ball with 12 seconds left. The refs didn't make up all those points for OKC.

We couldn't close out a quarter to save our (playoff) lives. You play great, tough basketball for 10 minutes, and then fritter it all away in the last 90 seconds.
We wait until 8 seconds in the shot clock to try to run a set, when that predictably doesn't work we pass it to Jamal Crawford to try to bail us out with a 27-footer.
As great as CP3 is, he single-handedly lost the game with those 2 mistakes late. This is actually exactly what he said in his post game interview, and I agree with him.

No one on the winning team has ever complained that the NBA is fixed, only the losing fans. If the refs were trying to fix the game, they did a pretty poor job actually- there were a few 50/50 judgement calls that went our way during the game. If they wanted OKC to win, then they would have called a foul on Barnes for sure on the out-of-bounds ball.

Quake Griffin · Post #10 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:17 pm

^^^

80% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.
sorry.

idc if it was 99% on us.
99% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.

i want it to be 100% on us. period....I cannot say that about last night.

caliswiss · Post #11 » by **caliswiss** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:17 pm

CP3 is the reason the clips lost. When ur general on the court doesnt show up, your bound to lose.

TheNewEra · Post #12 » by **TheNewEra** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:38 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:^^^

80% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.
sorry.

idc if it was 99% on us.
99% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.

i want it to be 100% on us. period....I cannot say that about last night.

Basically it was 100% on us. 17 seconds left and no shot clock okc had to foul us and Chris tried to bait a half court three. The Westbrook strip attempt wasn't a clear foul and we didn't need to shoot and the bad call came right after our bad play. Get the ball past half court and we shoot free throws at worse miss one and they could tie it.

Quake Griffin · Post #13 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:49 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:^^^

80% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.
sorry.

idc if it was 99% on us.
99% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.

i want it to be 100% on us. period....I cannot say that about last night.

Basically it was 100% on us. 17 seconds left and no shot clock okc had to foul us and Chris tried to bait a half court three. The Westbrook strip attempt wasn't a clear foul and we didn't need to shoot and the bad call came right after our bad play. Get the ball past half court and we shoot free throws at worse miss one and they could tie it.

Basically it was 100% on us or it was 100% on us?

basically means it was 95-99% which I'm not interested in.
I want 100% culpability and if you can't take the basically out of your statement, it doesnt negate anything I said.

mttwlsn16 · Post #14 » by **mttwlsn16** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:49 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:^^^

80% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.
sorry.

idc if it was 99% on us.
99% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.

i want it to be 100% on us. period....I cannot say that about last night.

Basically it was 100% on us. 17 seconds left and no shot clock okc had to foul us and Chris tried to bait a half court three. The Westbrook strip attempt wasn't a clear foul and we didn't need to shoot and the bad call came right after our bad play. Get the ball past half court and we shoot free throws at worse miss one and they could tie it.

Yup. The call sucked, but we really did blew it. Should've never come down to that call.

I'm done talking about it. Regroup and be ready to go game 6

Post #15 » by **QRich3** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:59 pm

caliswiss wrote:CP3 is the reason the clips lost. When ur general on the court doesnt show up, your bound to lose.

lol @ "doesn't show up" he's having an amazing series and had an awesome game, he's being the best player in our team and arguably the series. He had 2 mistakes down the stretch, a turnover and a foul. Sadly that's fuel enough for the yadda yadda crew to somehow make the narrative into Paul choked the season :nonono:

Post #16 » by **QRich3** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:05 pm

mttwlsn16 wrote:I'm done talking about it. Regroup and be ready to go game 6

Yeah I agree with that, refs are something out of our control, just like injuries are. It sucks to be dealt a bad hand but the team showed they have enough character to overcome worse than this. Let's give our all in the remaining two games and if we go home I'm ready to not make any excuses about it.

madmaxmedia · Post #17 » by **madmaxmedia** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:17 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:^^^

80% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.
sorry.

idc if it was 99% on us.
99% on us wasn't enough for the Thunder to win.

i want it to be 100% on us. period....I cannot say that about last night.

I do too.

But it will never be 100%, there will always be a human factor in ref's calls. If we go back and review every ref call since the start of the playoffs, we've gotten calls and we've lost calls. I don't think we've been that unfairly jobbed on the whole, what a surprise GSW fans thought they got ripped off a few times too. So in that sense, if we lose the series then I do put it on us 100%.

I'm personally a lot more frustrated about our mistakes than the refs. But I also believe that we can win the next 2 games.

RiversideClips · Post #18 » by **RiversideClips** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:45 pm

@Madmaxmedia some very valid points.
I thought we got too tight w/ 2 minutes left ( OKC could bash us, but if we touched them, they were at the line) and you could see we were not loose.
Was the reffing bad? Yes I think it was game 4 where CP3 got fouled & the ball went out on him, we lost and we were pissed, but we accepted it. The Refs can't play GOD after a call they have blown, then continued to blow more in a 15 second span.
I hope Silver reprimands the entire crew, it was shameless officiating. The refs just need to be consistent, this wasn't a call that you could be creative with, then again niether was the clear path, I smell Donaghy.

Why hasn't the league come out with a statement yet or did I just miss it?

LACtdom · Post #19 » by **LACtdom** » Wed May 14, 2014 11:38 pm

We choked there is no denying it, we can only (hopefully!) learn from it.
What I am most annoyed about is that Durant shot very very poorly and yet we gifted him 17 or something FTs!
By all means contest the shot but stop fouling him. Lets take away a big chuck of OKC's FT's and make them rely on actually making baskets.

playaloc916 · Post #20 » by **playaloc916** » Thu May 15, 2014 1:03 am

The most avoidable error was when Paul got the inbound pass and looked like he tried a 3/4 court shot but got stripped. All the other calls are questionable, but given the circumstances, that to me was equivalent to an unforced turnover. I thought he was going to get the ball, and just hold onto it and get fouled. But damn what was he thinking?

And why in the world was he so close to Westbrook on his three point attempt? He should have learned from the close call with Curry. Last game Collison was pretty far away from Westbrook and he ended up missing the game winning shot. But this game he gets fouled, hits three free throws and that's game. So essentially it was him hitting that three.

I'm pretty sure were going to get gifted game 6 from all the outcry due to the bad calls. So it's going to be yet another game 7 for both teams. I just hope we can right the wrong that happened in game 5 with a game 7 win. I just wish it wasn't on the road.