2014 NBA EC Finals: IND (1) vs MIA (2)

[Phinsoverpats]

Bet a sig on what exactly?

I never proclaimed that the Pacers are going to win the series. You see, I don't pretend to be an oracle. I have not made a single prediction in these playoffs regarding the result of a match and you can verify this if you want.

On the other hand, if you want to bet whether the Pacers find a way to score against Miami then sure.

They won't touch 100 points in regulation

How is this relevant? The Pacers do not need to touch 100 points in regulation if they hold the opposing teams to 90 points.

If they hold they to 90 I'm pretty sure the heat would still be on the winning side of that...so you go ahead & make the bet I tried twice already

[Usual Suspects]

I have to say, these Pacers are one of the most disrespected teams I've ever seen by fans. I live in Indiana, I saw them play all season, I think a lot of people seriously under value them.

Yes, the Atlanta Hawks took them to 7. An even worse team took the 08 Celtics to 7 too.

Yes, they struggled during the 2nd half of the season. They still won 56 games, took the #1 seed, granted in a weak conference, split 1-1 with Miami and beat OKC in the final stretch before the playoffs.

I've posts in here and in other threads casually claiming how Portland or Phoenix would easily make the conference finals in the East, how the Pacers aren't even the best team in the East outside Miami (seriously), how Miami has the "easiest road to the Finals",stuff like that. I think people are so quick to label them as a bad team in the midst of their recent struggles because they don't look flashy. We don't see pull up 3s, ankle breaking crossovers, poster dunks (usually), ect ect, because the Pacers play ugly. The Wizards everybody was raving about against Chicago didn't suddenly forget how to play basketball. Good defenses have a way of making you look worse than you are. They play dominant half court defense and grind their games out. Just because it isn't pretty doesn't mean it's not effective.

I'm not saying that they should be the favorites here, in light of their recent struggles and going against the 2x champs you give the edge to Miami, but they're still a damn good basketball team.

tl;dr the Pacers don't really get the same respect/benefit of the doubt from fans as other elite teams because good defense isn't as flashy.

Ok, well here's the deal.

- You don't get too be blown out twice at home by a 38 win team and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.
- You don't get to go to the brink of elimination by a below .500 team playing without their best player and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.
- You don't get to have your all-star big man have multiple 0pt 0reb and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.
- You don't get to have a close out game against an inexperienced team and be down 30 at home and still be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.
- You don't get to have your entire team be out-rebounded by one man (until he was taken out) and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

The Pacers won congratulation. They will undoubtedly give the Heat a tough series, maybe even overcome them. But in no way have they done anything thus far in the postseason, that any fan of any team should look at them and say, "yeah I respect this team and will give them the benefit of the doubt going forward."

[Nuntius]

If they hold they to 90 I'm pretty sure the heat would still be on the winning side of that...

We'll see about that.

so you go ahead & make the bet I tried twice already

Clarify your bet then.

Is your bet "will the Pacers score enough to beat the Heat"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it. I have already said that I'm not going to attempt to make a prediction on which team advances or wins a game.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 100 points in regulation"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it either since I already said that I consider it irrevelant.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 90 points in regulation"? Now, that's a bet that I'd take. I'd also take "will Indiana hold Miami below 100 points in regulation".

Those are the bets that I'm willing to take. They don't clarify which team ends with the win which falls in line with my earlier statement that I'm not going to predict the outcome of a game/series.

Of course, we will still need to set some guidelines in the form of "how many games will we need this to happen in order to see who won the bet".

[Phinsoverpats]

If they hold they to 90 I'm pretty sure the heat would still be on the winning side of that...

We'll see about that.

so you go ahead & make the bet I tried twice already

Clarify your bet then.

Is your bet "will the Pacers score enough to beat the Heat"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it. I have already said that I'm not going to attempt to make a prediction on which team advances or wins a game.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 100 points in regulation"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it either since I already said that I consider it irrevelant.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 90 points in regulation"? Now, that's a bet that I'd take. I'd also take "will Indiana hold Miami below 100 points in regulation".

Those are the bets that I'm willing to take. They don't clarify which team ends with the win which falls in line with my earlier statement that I'm not going to predict the outcome of a game/series.

Of course, we will still need to set some guidelines in the form of "how many games will we need this to happen in order to see who won the bet".

Alright let's do "Indiana holds miami below 100 in regulation"

[Gremz]

BEAT MYAMEE!

[Nuntius]

- You don't get too be blown out twice at home by a 38 win team and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

06-07 West Conference 1st round -> http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... -mavericks

The 67-15 Dallas Mavericks lost in 6 games to the 42-40 Golden State Warriors. The Mavericks lost by 12 points in game at their home court. The Warriors capped off their series win with a 25 point win in Oakland.

- You don't get to go to the brink of elimination by a below .500 team playing without their best player and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

The Celtics did it when they went to 7 games against a 37-45 Hawks team -> http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... on-celtics

- You don't get to have your entire team be out-rebounded by one man (until he was taken out) and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 10ORL.html

Nikola Vucevic recorded 29 rebounds in a game against the Heat. The Heat recorded 33 rebounds as a team.

Vucevic played 46 minutes in a game that went to OT (and thus was played for 53 minutes) so he was sitting for 6 minutes.

[Nuntius]

If they hold they to 90 I'm pretty sure the heat would still be on the winning side of that...

We'll see about that.

so you go ahead & make the bet I tried twice already

Clarify your bet then.

Is your bet "will the Pacers score enough to beat the Heat"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it. I have already said that I'm not going to attempt to make a prediction on which team advances or wins a game.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 100 points in regulation"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it either since I already said that I consider it irrevelant.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 90 points in regulation"? Now, that's a bet that I'd take. I'd also take "will Indiana hold Miami below 100 points in regulation".

Those are the bets that I'm willing to take. They don't clarify which team ends with the win which falls in line with my earlier statement that I'm not going to predict the outcome of a game/series.

Of course, we will still need to set some guidelines in the form of "how many games will we need this to happen in order to see who won the bet".

Alright let's do "Indiana holds miami below 100 in regulation"

Ok. In how many games? Do we set a number of games (say "they hold them below 100 in regulation for 3 games") or do we set a percentage?

[Phinsoverpats]

We'll see about that.



Clarify your bet then.

Is your bet "will the Pacers score enough to beat the Heat"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it. I have already said that I'm not going to attempt to make a prediction on which team advances or wins a game.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 100 points in regulation"? If that's the case then I'm not taking it either since I already said that I consider it irrevelant.

Is your bet "will Indiana touch 90 points in regulation"? Now, that's a bet that I'd take. I'd also take "will Indiana hold Miami below 100 points in regulation".

Those are the bets that I'm willing to take. They don't clarify which team ends with the win which falls in line with my earlier statement that I'm not going to predict the outcome of a game/series.

Of course, we will still need to set some guidelines in the form of "how many games will we need this to happen in order to see who won the bet".

Alright let's do "Indiana holds miami below 100 in regulation"

Ok. In how many games? Do we set a number of games (say "they hold them below 100 in regulation for 3 games") or do we set a percentage?

Let's do an even 4 so it can be equal home & away

[Nuntius]

Let's do an even 4 so it can be equal home & away

I'll take that bet. Let's clarify the details about the sig and the duration now.

[Phinsoverpats]

Let's do an even 4 so it can be equal home & away

I'll take that bet. Let's clarify the details about the sig and the duration now.

Alright the duration should be til the first game of 2014-15 season nothing offensive of coarse

[Nuntius]

Let's do an even 4 so it can be equal home & away

I'll take that bet. Let's clarify the details about the sig and the duration now.

Alright the duration should be til the first game of 2014-15 season nothing offensive of coarse

Ok, I'm in.

[Phinsoverpats]

Let's do an even 4 so it can be equal home & away

I'll take that bet. Let's clarify the details about the sig and the duration now.

Alright the duration should be til the first game of 2014-15 season nothing offensive of coarse

Cool, it's official

[Tim Lehrbach]

I'll say exactly what I said before MIA/Brooklyn: let's all hope this is over as swiftly as possible. Bring on the Heat vs. the Western Conference champion.

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[crazy_me_87]

heat in 6... pacers make too many mistakes and lebron is playing way too good right now.


edit: I don't think people will admit to this till after the season but the lebron we are watching RIGHT NOW is kind of like jordan on his 2nd string of championships. Although there was good teams through out the NBA there would be no denying Jordan and you knew he would get his ring at the end of the day. I'm feeling that same vibe from Lebron. He's too hungry for history, he's looking too comfortable in a half court set, he's looking healthy. I honestly can't see him being denied at this point.

thats pretty much what i am thinking

Lebron is in 2012-Mode... scoring wise he is even better.. he is just focused...

last year he was almost a bit coasting through the Playoffs with the exeption of cruical must win games..

this year.. he Shoots 56fg% in the Playoffs.. on 30ppg.. and neither Charlotte or the Nets are bad defensive Teams..

and he draws a ton of fouls

even if Hibbert gets him a few times.. Lebron will get him and West in fould trouble if he keeps driving like that... Lebron wont make as many.. but if he stays agressive he will shoot Freethrows alot.

i`d say this.. IF!!! he continues to plays like he has been so far.. no one is beating the Heat 4/7 this year...

BKN actually did a good job against him most of the series... Bullying him... denying him his spots.. running him to hard screens... and he still got his...

Indiana cant to much more.. exept they have Hibbert... but i am not sure how the reffs will treat him and his verticality.. it has been called out.... and the reffs know it now and are more sensible...

if he is allowed to do what he wants sure.. the Heat will have a tougher time getting to the rim..
but i have the feeling that this years Hibbert is not even close to last years version... and the Heat have found out that Haslem works well against him... and even last year with Hibbert transforming to Shaq against them the Heat still won... likley wont happen again.. not to that extend... i would call it a huge series if Hibbert does 15/8 against the Heat... wich would be almost double his averages right now^^

i doubt he does 21/10 again...

so..

Heat in 6

the Pacers arent really a good home Team so far in the Playoffs.. so HCA wont matter as much...

everybody was like "oohh the Nets are 4-0 in the RS and match up sooo well against the Heat"....

we saw how that went...

will be a great series though

[rickrolled]

No poll ?

[Nuntius]

I'll take that bet. Let's clarify the details about the sig and the duration now.

Alright the duration should be til the first game of 2014-15 season nothing offensive of coarse

Cool, it's official

Cool. Do we decide on the sig now or after the completion of the bet?

[Nuntius]

this year.. he Shoots 56fg% in the Playoffs.. on 30ppg.. and neither Charlotte or the Nets are bad defensive Teams..

The Nets are a below average defensive team. They were #19 in defensive efficiency according to ESPN -> http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamst ... fensiveEff

They just play at a very slow pace and thus keep the scores relatively low.

That said, LeBron has obviously been great in these playoffs so far. I'm not trying to dispute that.

[Phinsoverpats]

Alright the duration should be til the first game of 2014-15 season nothing offensive of coarse

Cool, it's official

Cool. Do we decide on the sig now or after the completion of the bet?

After

[Nuntius]

Cool, it's official

Cool. Do we decide on the sig now or after the completion of the bet?

After

Ok.

[Usual Suspects]

- You don't get too be blown out twice at home by a 38 win team and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

06-07 West Conference 1st round -> http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... -mavericks

The 67-15 Dallas Mavericks lost in 6 games to the 42-40 Golden State Warriors. The Mavericks lost by 12 points in game at their home court. The Warriors capped off their series win with a 25 point win in Oakland.

- You don't get to go to the brink of elimination by a below .500 team playing without their best player and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

The Celtics did it when they went to 7 games against a 37-45 Hawks team -> http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... on-celtics

- You don't get to have your entire team be out-rebounded by one man (until he was taken out) and be respected and given the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 10ORL.html

Nikola Vucevic recorded 29 rebounds in a game against the Heat. The Heat recorded 33 rebounds as a team.

Vucevic played 46 minutes in a game that went to OT (and thus was played for 53 minutes) so he was sitting for 6 minutes.

1. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the mavericks considered the laughing stock of the NBA after that series. Dirk was absolutely ripped apart by every NBA writer and fan alike. So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say there. It seems like you're making my point in this one.

2. At what point were the Celtics in any real danger of losing that series. They were never down in that series, and won all their home games by an avg of over 25pts/gm, and were up 3-2, not down. Nonetheless, if you remember that year after they lost their first game against the Pistons in the ECF, many people expressed real doubt about them going further.

3. So, you're really going to compare a RS game played in December to argue my point. Come on man, I don't see how you don't understand how embarrassing it is for a 1 seed who is a great rebounding team to put forth that kind of terrible effort against a good but not great team at home in a closeout game. I mean do I really need to explain more on this.

If you want to nitpick my reasons go ahead, but make a real argument about why any fan (Pacer fan included) should give this team any benefit of the doubt based on their recent performance. Again, I'm not saying they're incapable of winning against the Heat, they definitely are capable. But I don't see why I should give them any leeway or benefit of the doubt as the guy I was replying to was asking for. From a fan's perspective, the Pacers are at an impasse, where it's "show me first".