2013-2014 Washington Wizards Playoffs Thread.

[Zonkerbl]

My recollection is that both Ariza and Webster shot better than 40% from the corners their first year here, and that Ariza's overall three point percentage was low because he shot so many threes from above the break, where he was atrocious. My impression is that he is shooting the corner three much more often, so I'm right, but he's also making more of them and is also shooting a better percentage from above the break. But whatever. I'm still right.

[tontoz]

My recollection is that both Ariza and Webster shot better than 40% from the corners their first year here, and that Ariza's overall three point percentage was low because he shot so many threes from above the break, where he was atrocious. My impression is that he is shooting the corner three much more often, so I'm right, but he's also making more of them and is also shooting a better percentage from above the break. But whatever. I'm still right.

Nivek just posted that 40% of Ariza's attempts were from the corner in 10/11 and 41% of his attempts are from the corner this season so what are you talking about?

[tontoz]

Looking at Ariza's shot chart during the regular season he actually shot 38% from the 3 sections up top, farthest from the basket.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2772

During his first 4 seasons he only made 10 threes total. Even after he started shooting them regularly he never shot 34% until coming here. Now he shoots them well from everywhere. Props to him for putting in the work.

Back in 10/11 he shot only 34% from the corners, the easiest shots.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.ht ... on=2010-11

[hands11]

Well, they ended up making it to the 2nd round and finish the season 2-4 against the #1 seed.

West went off.
They had the lead in the 4th

But the refs were just not give them any love and thats the end of the story this year.

They ended up breaking all kinds of record this year.

Best team in like 37 years.

It was enjoyable to be a Wizards fan again. Ted is looking like a legit owner. The future is looking good.

[EuroPacer]

It was enjoyable to be a Wizards fan again. Ted is looking like a legit owner. The future is looking good.

This! You guys are better than what we saw in this series and there is a lot of growth in your back-court. Beal genuinely looked like he was going to be a perennial all-star at times and he is only 20!

There are also options open to the FO about extensions and the like, so I would be pretty damned pleased if I was a Wiz at this point.

Looking forward to meeting you again in the next season!

[Zonkerbl]

Bah, refs.

Make your damn shots. The refs didn't make Bradley Beal shoot an airball from three.

The Zards played as well as they could, the Pacers played as well as they could, and the Pacers' best was better than the Zards best. Better team won.

Not sure how we get to the Pacers level from where we are. Without significant improvement from Wall and Beal this is about as good as we are ever going to get. Unless Porter gets better.

I have hope for Porter, it looks like he might develop into who we thought he would be, a little more versatile than Ariza on offense, a little less strong on defense, but better at both than Webster. Hope he makes a big leap next year.

[Zonkerbl]

My recollection is that both Ariza and Webster shot better than 40% from the corners their first year here, and that Ariza's overall three point percentage was low because he shot so many threes from above the break, where he was atrocious. My impression is that he is shooting the corner three much more often, so I'm right, but he's also making more of them and is also shooting a better percentage from above the break. But whatever. I'm still right.

Nivek just posted that 40% of Ariza's attempts were from the corner in 10/11 and 41% of his attempts are from the corner this season so what are you talking about?

Kevin is talking about when he played for Charlotte. Ariza didn't come here until 2012. I'm talking about his first season here.

In the 2012-2013 season he shot 40-85 from the corners and 36-124 from above the break. For the mathematically incompetent that's 47% from the corners and 29% above the break.

*mic drop*

So, am I right about him taking more shots from the corners? In 2012-2013 85 of 209 three point shot attempts came from the corner, 40.7%, in 2013-2014 180 of 437 for 41.2%. So a little bit more but not as much as I suspected. Some sort of confirmation bias maybe, I didn't see as many misses from above the break and somehow my brain interpreted that as him taking less shots from there.

[tontoz]

My recollection is that both Ariza and Webster shot better than 40% from the corners their first year here, and that Ariza's overall three point percentage was low because he shot so many threes from above the break, where he was atrocious. My impression is that he is shooting the corner three much more often, so I'm right, but he's also making more of them and is also shooting a better percentage from above the break. But whatever. I'm still right.

Nivek just posted that 40% of Ariza's attempts were from the corner in 10/11 and 41% of his attempts are from the corner this season so what are you talking about?

Kevin is talking about when he played for Charlotte. Ariza didn't come here until 2012. I'm talking about his first season here.

Bah, doesn't matter anymore.

In your post saying that the 30% was a bad stat you were talking about the stat i quoted for the season he played with Chris Paul in 10/11 for the NO Hornets. His shot distribution now is virtually identical to his distribution then.

FYI in Ariza's first season here 40% of his attempts were corner 3s vs 41% this year. The shot charts at NBA.com are pretty clear. He shot 3s better his first year here than he ever had before coming here so again i am not sure what you are trying to say.

[Youheardme90]

Bah, refs.

Make your damn shots. The refs didn't make Bradley Beal shoot an airball from three.

The Zards played as well as they could, the Pacers played as well as they could, and the Pacers' best was better than the Zards best. Better team won.

Not sure how we get to the Pacers level from where we are. Without significant improvement from Wall and Beal this is about as good as we are ever going to get. Unless Porter gets better.

I have hope for Porter, it looks like he might develop into who we thought he would be, a little more versatile than Ariza on offense, a little less strong on defense, but better at both than Webster. Hope he makes a big leap next year.

I was thinking right along those lines last night, just as the game started to slip away. Either Wall or Beal will have to turn into a LeBron, Durant type force on offense.

Which brings me to another point. John Wall has the potential to be a tremendous threat on offense, but it seems as though, this offense is not geared for him to control the game in the same way that Chris Paul`s offense or Tony Parker`s offense allows them. I really like Randy Wittman and what he has done for the team thus far, but I would not mind seeing someone new come in, with a new system that plays to John`s strengths instead of his weaknesses.

[Zonkerbl]

Nivek just posted that 40% of Ariza's attempts were from the corner in 10/11 and 41% of his attempts are from the corner this season so what are you talking about?

Kevin is talking about when he played for Charlotte. Ariza didn't come here until 2012. I'm talking about his first season here.

Bah, doesn't matter anymore.

In your post saying that the 30% was a bad stat you were talking about the stat i quoted for the season he played with Chris Paul in 10/11 for the NO Hornets. His shot distribution now is virtually identical to his distribution then.

FYI in Ariza's first season here 40% of his attempts were corner 3s vs 41% this year. The shot charts at NBA.com are pretty clear. He shot 3s better his first year here than he ever had before coming here so again i am not sure what you are trying to say.

Go back and read my posts then. I'm not going to argue with someone who admits he has no idea what I'm talking about but for some reason continues to argue with me over something I didn't say.

[tontoz]

Go back and read my posts then. I'm not going to argue with someone who admits he has no idea what I'm talking about but for some reason continues to argue with me over something I didn't say.

I guess someone must have hacked your account and made these posts. That would explain the "eye test" nonsense.

But when he was shooting 30% with CP, how many of his shots came from above the break vs. in the corner? Advanced statistics (might) tell you he shoots much better from the corner. That's my point - the 30% statistic is a lousy statistic. Situational statistics will be much more informative.

Although of course I agree with Kevin that what we expected from Ariza was *acceptable* three point shooting combined with good defense. Ariza has improved his three point shooting from the various points on the floor beyond what we observed, for example, his first year with us.

Yeah, let's start with Ariza being the perfect example of eyes being better than statistics. Statistics would tell you Ariza can't shoot from three.

If you watch Ariza play it is obvious that he can shoot the three just fine in certain situations that requires a PG with a certain skillset to get him the ball in that situation. EG, to his credit, recognized that and went out and got him.

Now, we don't know what kind of statistics the Wizards are gathering from that high tech set of cameras in the rafters, but it may just be able to tell exactly that kind of story. Ariza is good in this situation, not good in that situation. Get him the ball in the right situation and he will be productive.

So Ariza doesn't tell me that the eye is better than statistics, but rather good statistics are better than bad statistics.

[Zonkerbl]

Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.

[tontoz]

Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.

You obviously have other ones. LMAO at this especially

If you watch Ariza play it is obvious that he can shoot the three just fine in certain situations that requires a PG with a certain skillset to get him the ball in that situation. EG, to his credit, recognized that and went out and got him.

he shot 34% from the corners playing with Chris Paul yet somehow EG forsaw that he would improve greatly playing with Wall? Uh.....ok

[hands11]

Bah, refs.

Make your damn shots. The refs didn't make Bradley Beal shoot an airball from three.

The Zards played as well as they could, the Pacers played as well as they could, and the Pacers' best was better than the Zards best. Better team won.

Not sure how we get to the Pacers level from where we are. Without significant improvement from Wall and Beal this is about as good as we are ever going to get. Unless Porter gets better.

I have hope for Porter, it looks like he might develop into who we thought he would be, a little more versatile than Ariza on offense, a little less strong on defense, but better at both than Webster. Hope he makes a big leap next year.

I think we are going to have a lot of fun watching Otto next year. That mid range of his is going to be money. And the young man rebounds. And he can shoot out to 3 land. I already notice they fixed the hitch in his shot. We didn't get to see him much but trust this, they put in a lot of work with him. That red shirt year is going to show a lot of dividends next year.

He is going to be a nice Trevor A replacement when the time comes.

Beal grow a ton this year. I expect magic next year.
And dont forget how much Wall jumper improved. He was red hot at times. Expect more consistency next year.

Things are looking good.

[hands11]

Top 10 played of the conference Semi finals.

Enjoy.. that Wizards are in 3 of them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/top-10-pl ... 42454.html