D-Will Wants Out Of Brooklyn, FO Also Wants Him Gone

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Re: D-Will Wants Out Of Brooklyn, FO Also Wants Him Gone 

Post#161 » by ChampionRed » Fri May 16, 2014 10:59 pm

I didn't read all these pages but did anyone confirm whether this source is accurate? I've never in my life heard of Hoop Critic. If it is true, some of you fans will be in for a rude awakening if you think your teams' GMs wouldn't trade for Dwill. I always feel like GM's always have different views of players than their fans.
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Post#162 » by richboy » Fri May 16, 2014 11:12 pm

Deron is really a terrible player right now. He not good offensively. He is terrible defensively. His name is way bigger than his current game. Right now he is an average player at best. Brooklyn's only hope is if Otis Smith gets another GM job in the league. You need the guy that traded for Gilbert Arenas and made Rashard Lewis one of the highest paid players in the league.
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Post#163 » by AgentGreen » Fri May 16, 2014 11:16 pm

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The only option i can see yeah.. I'd also try to get rid of Livingston and Blatche, and try to sign some vets or decent roleplayers on the cheap, one who can play as a backup PG and one who protects the paint. Plus do everthing you can to convince Pierce and KG for another run.. Also people should know that KG and Pierce like Smith alot.


You say get rid of livingston to sign a cheap backup PG. thats exactly what livingston is. Also, getting rid of blatche and livingston have nothing to do with our ability to get cheap veterans. we have the same to spend pretty much either way.

As far as KG, even if he doesnt retire the nets should buy him out. we need plumlee to start and get minutes, not waste those with KG.

Starters: Jennings, Johnson, Pierce, Smith, Lopez..
Bench: backup PG(little nate?), Anderson, Teletovic, Kirilenko, KG + another backup C.

I have to say this is a solid lineup, plus the Nets already have a very decent bench, just need to add another difference maker, and you could do that with the money you save on Livingston. If you can convince Smith he isn't a good shooter and should attack the rim, then you'll have a borderline Allstar on your team. Plus i like the combo of Smith + Lopez, Smith could cover some of Lopez's defensive deficiencies.


that team would be awful. Talk about a slow team with awful defense. we saw how bad williams/lopez combo was defending the pick and roll, now its jennings and a lopez coming off season ending injury defending it? Pierce at SF isnt a great idea defensively.

Lopez needs to be traded. he is a losing player coming off injury. get rid of him


Its almost like the lineup of this season, defensively but offensively it will be much better. Ive not noticed any quickness either in this season. Its all about the PG who sets the tempo. Smith is a quick player, Pierce still isn't that slow as many people think he is, with Joe i agree. Smith is solid defensively for this team, he could help Lopez. Jennings is the player i dont like, but in a DWill trade thats what you'll get.

You could keep Livingston and dont give him the ball alot, because he really isnt good at passing the ball. Weak courtvision imo, and holds the ball way to long. But next to Jennings, he could still be a good fit, because of his defense.

Your best offensive player is Lopez and you want to get rid of him? Plus he didnt even get the chance to really prove himself this season, because of his injury.

You wont get a better lineup imo, you can say how awful it is. And i know it isnt the best of the best. But trading DWill wont give you starplayers in return.
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Post#164 » by NyCeEvO » Fri May 16, 2014 11:20 pm

Prokorov wrote:why can't the nets be relevant before the next decade? We have 30+ million in cap room in 2016

3/4 of the league has that much cap room in 2016 too. :lol:

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Post#165 » by Prokorov » Fri May 16, 2014 11:21 pm

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Your best offensive player is Lopez and you want to get rid of him? Plus he didnt even get the chance to really prove himself this season, because of his injury.


Lopez is our most talented offensive player... he isnt our best. not close. He can get you 20 points on elite efficiency but at the cost of slowing your offense to a crawl and freezing everyone out. He isnt a chucker but he is an enormous ball stopper. he struggles immensely anytime he is double, he is extremely slow to move the ball, he shies away against physical players. he isnt great off the pick and roll.

he simply isnt a winning basketball player. there is a reason we got better and our offense was so much better when he went down. team ball is more important then efficient scoring when it comes to wins.

And defensively, lopez kills you. especially in a small lineup. he is among the worst defending pick and roll bigs in the league and one of the worst defensive rebounding bigs in the league.

Kidd recognizes this, its why he said lopez isnt a good fit here, and its why lopez is going to get dealt.
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Post#166 » by Spalato » Fri May 16, 2014 11:35 pm

Let's see how Prokhorov gets out of this mess. It won't be easy for him, because this aint Russia in the early 90s where you can get everything handed to you on a platter if you have friends in the government.
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Post#167 » by Massamba » Fri May 16, 2014 11:38 pm

DWill and Pierce vs Melo and Felton
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Post#168 » by Tave » Fri May 16, 2014 11:38 pm

I hope this isn't true, because if it is, then the rumors about Dwill being a prima donna are probably accurate. He won't find a better situation than Brooklyn. That team has plenty of issues, but one thing it certainly is not doing, is holding Deron Williams back. :crazy:
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Post#169 » by 2thehoopand1 » Fri May 16, 2014 11:38 pm

Send him to the bucks


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Post#170 » by uncleduck13 » Fri May 16, 2014 11:45 pm

He needs to go somewhere with bigs that can run the PnR
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Post#171 » by DarkXaero » Fri May 16, 2014 11:56 pm

A high-level Brooklyn Nets official told The Brooklyn Game that a report that Deron Williams wanted out of Brooklyn "came out of left field" and that Williams has not requested a trade, but acknowledged that Williams has struggled with the burden of expectation since joining the Nets.
"He's frustrated," the source told The Brooklyn Game. "He's not happy with himself. He's not up to his standards in the three years since we got him."

Similarly, insiders tell NetsDaily the story is "absolutely false."


It's a bs story, not sure why everyone started believing it without any questions. Deron has no right to demand a trade out of Brooklyn right now. Although the FO might want him out.
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Post#172 » by isekii » Sat May 17, 2014 12:18 am

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A high-level Brooklyn Nets official told The Brooklyn Game that a report that Deron Williams wanted Brooklyn "came out of left field" and that Williams has not requested a trade, but acknowledged that Williams has struggled with the burden of expectation since joining the Nets.
"He's frustrated," the source told The Brooklyn Game. "He's not happy with himself. He's not up to his standards in the three years since we got him."

Similarly, insiders tell NetsDaily the story is "absolutely false."


It's a bs story, not sure why everyone started believing it without any questions. Deron has no right to demand a trade out of Brooklyn right now. Although the FO might want him out.


He should be glad to be here. Having an ownership that's willing to spend. Still I'd be OK sending him out for Kyle Lowry. Deron can't handle the pressure of being the man even though he's paid like one.
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Post#173 » by kerry kittles » Sat May 17, 2014 12:22 am

isekii wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
A high-level Brooklyn Nets official told The Brooklyn Game that a report that Deron Williams wanted Brooklyn "came out of left field" and that Williams has not requested a trade, but acknowledged that Williams has struggled with the burden of expectation since joining the Nets.
"He's frustrated," the source told The Brooklyn Game. "He's not happy with himself. He's not up to his standards in the three years since we got him."

Similarly, insiders tell NetsDaily the story is "absolutely false."


It's a bs story, not sure why everyone started believing it without any questions. Deron has no right to demand a trade out of Brooklyn right now. Although the FO might want him out.


He should be glad to be here. Having an ownership that's willing to spend. Still I'd be OK sending him out for Kyle Lowry. Deron can't handle the pressure of being the man even though he's paid like one.


And I'd like to trade Joe Johnson for Lebron. It's just not realistic at all. Lowry is a top 10 point guard. Deron Williams is not even close at this point.
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Post#174 » by Nils_the_Clean » Sat May 17, 2014 12:55 am

isekii wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
A high-level Brooklyn Nets official told The Brooklyn Game that a report that Deron Williams wanted Brooklyn "came out of left field" and that Williams has not requested a trade, but acknowledged that Williams has struggled with the burden of expectation since joining the Nets.
"He's frustrated," the source told The Brooklyn Game. "He's not happy with himself. He's not up to his standards in the three years since we got him."

Similarly, insiders tell NetsDaily the story is "absolutely false."


It's a bs story, not sure why everyone started believing it without any questions. Deron has no right to demand a trade out of Brooklyn right now. Although the FO might want him out.


He should be glad to be here. Having an ownership that's willing to spend. Still I'd be OK sending him out for Kyle Lowry. Deron can't handle the pressure of being the man even though he's paid like one.



Masai Ujiri would sooner be castrated then send Kyle Lowry to the Nets for Deron Williams. This is the stuff of madmen. It will never, ever happen.
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Post#175 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat May 17, 2014 1:18 am

JazzyPhinz wrote:Ill take him over Trey Burke.


At some point I loved him too here in Utah. But with this contract and with the rebuilding we're making, thanks, but no thanks.
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Post#176 » by og15 » Sat May 17, 2014 1:20 am

Prokorov wrote:
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Your best offensive player is Lopez and you want to get rid of him? Plus he didnt even get the chance to really prove himself this season, because of his injury.


Lopez is our most talented offensive player... he isnt our best. not close. He can get you 20 points on elite efficiency but at the cost of slowing your offense to a crawl and freezing everyone out. He isnt a chucker but he is an enormous ball stopper. he struggles immensely anytime he is double, he is extremely slow to move the ball, he shies away against physical players. he isnt great off the pick and roll.

he simply isnt a winning basketball player. there is a reason we got better and our offense was so much better when he went down. team ball is more important then efficient scoring when it comes to wins.

And defensively, lopez kills you. especially in a small lineup. he is among the worst defending pick and roll bigs in the league and one of the worst defensive rebounding bigs in the league.

Kidd recognizes this, its why he said lopez isnt a good fit here, and its why lopez is going to get dealt.

Unless you're OKC :wink: , and team ball in itself isn't just the thing if were just talking about offense, because wining is about offense and defense. Efficient team ball is what you're looking for. Team ball but poor results still might not beat the go to individual who is a really efficient ball stopper when it comes to team offensive results, but depends.
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Post#177 » by DaGawd » Sat May 17, 2014 1:32 am

The Infamous1 wrote:He went from top ten to not mentioned at all

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Re: D-Will Wants Out Of Brooklyn, FO Also Wants Him Gone 

Post#178 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat May 17, 2014 2:20 am

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A 2nd round exit is a successful season if you have a young, in-experienced team. A 2nd round exit is a complete disaster if you have a team of veterans, zero flexibility, and mortgaged draft picks until 2018 playing in a historically weak conference.


How about when your team doesn't have its best player?

Imagine how different we would be, when we had Lopez in the post instead of Andray Blatche. Theres a lot of hope for next season. We will be a very different team.
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Post#179 » by Left Side Drive » Sat May 17, 2014 2:26 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Grammer Nazi wrote:
A 2nd round exit is a successful season if you have a young, in-experienced team. A 2nd round exit is a complete disaster if you have a team of veterans, zero flexibility, and mortgaged draft picks until 2018 playing in a historically weak conference.


How about when your team doesn't have its best player?

Imagine how different we would be, when we had Lopez in the post instead of Andray Blatche. Theres a lot of hope for next season. We will be a very different team.

Everyone knows that Brook Lopez has been injured. Doesn't change the fact that Nets were eliminated in the 2nd round with the expectations placed upon them in the beginning of the season.

Also, what kind of changes will be made to make the team "a very different team" next year may I ask?
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Post#180 » by Juggynaut » Sat May 17, 2014 2:30 am

It'll be so funny if he plays well after he is gone from Brooklyn.
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