Kidd-Gilchrist Sophmore Year + Future?

[QPR]

He has a kink in his release but it's not that bad. His problem is he releases the ball too late, closer to when he lands than when he jumps.

[Nolan]

If he can fix that wonky jumper he could become one of the best two way players in the league.

[LloydFree]

His offense wasn't the reason he was drafted 2nd overall

No, MGK was drafted #2 because Charlotte's GM is an idiot, apparently.

yea sure now but had they not drafted him everyone would've called them idiots on the draft night.

you know, the Cavs treatment.

No they wouldn't. MGK wasn't a no brainer #2 pick. There was a lot of discussion before that draft, involving other players. Charlotte didn't know what to do once they didn't get Anthony Davis, and just grabbed the next biggest name to save face for a horrible season.

Cleveland does the opposite. They pick the player nobody thinks is any good, then spends 3 seasons trying to get "idiots" to recognize Dion Waiters is better than that hot garbage, Harrison Barnes.

The same thing that happened to Charlotte, could happen to the 76ers, this year. After a terrible season, There will be pressure to pick popular 'name' players, that all of the fans recognize, so the season can be looked at as a success... And if the 76ers do that, they'll be idiots too.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

No, MGK was drafted #2 because Charlotte's GM is an idiot, apparently.

yea sure now but had they not drafted him everyone would've called them idiots on the draft night.

you know, the Cavs treatment.

No they wouldn't. MGK wasn't a no brainer #2 pick. There was a lot of discussion before that draft, involving other players. Charlotte didn't know what to do once they didn't get Anthony Davis, and just grabbed the next biggest name to save face for a horrible season.

Cleveland does the opposite. They pick the player nobody thinks is any good, then spends 3 seasons trying to get "idiots" to recognize Dion Waiters is better than that hot garbage, Harrison Barnes.

The same thing that happened to Charlotte, could happen to the 76ers, this year. After a terrible season, There will be pressure to pick popular 'name' players, that all of the fans recognize, so the season can be looked at as a success... And if the 76ers do that, they'll be idiots too.

Lol retrospect retrospect.

Dion has only played for 2 years btw, also, he wasn't the only player player we were called on "missing out". Thomas Robinson was the other one. Drummond only became part of discussion after he showed what we now know.

There wasn't a single person who didn't have MKG either 2nd or 3rd (interchangeable with Beal), google and set the date to 2012 if you don't believe me.

[LloydFree]

yea sure now but had they not drafted him everyone would've called them idiots on the draft night.

you know, the Cavs treatment.

No they wouldn't. MGK wasn't a no brainer #2 pick. There was a lot of discussion before that draft, involving other players. Charlotte didn't know what to do once they didn't get Anthony Davis, and just grabbed the next biggest name to save face for a horrible season.

Cleveland does the opposite. They pick the player nobody thinks is any good, then spends 3 seasons trying to get "idiots" to recognize Dion Waiters is better than that hot garbage, Harrison Barnes.

The same thing that happened to Charlotte, could happen to the 76ers, this year. After a terrible season, There will be pressure to pick popular 'name' players, that all of the fans recognize, so the season can be looked at as a success... And if the 76ers do that, they'll be idiots too.

Lol retrospect retrospect.

Dion has only played for 2 years btw, also, he wasn't the only player player we were called on "missing out". Thomas Robinson was the other one. Drummond only became part of discussion after he showed what we now know.

There wasn't a single person who didn't have MKG either 2nd or 3rd (interchangeable with Beal), google and set the date to 2012 if you don't believe me.

I know Waiters has only played 2 seasons. I said 3 seasons trying to convince idiots he is better than Harrison Barnes, because unbelievably there are still a bunch of people that still think Barnes is better.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

No they wouldn't. MGK wasn't a no brainer #2 pick. There was a lot of discussion before that draft, involving other players. Charlotte didn't know what to do once they didn't get Anthony Davis, and just grabbed the next biggest name to save face for a horrible season.

Cleveland does the opposite. They pick the player nobody thinks is any good, then spends 3 seasons trying to get "idiots" to recognize Dion Waiters is better than that hot garbage, Harrison Barnes.

The same thing that happened to Charlotte, could happen to the 76ers, this year. After a terrible season, There will be pressure to pick popular 'name' players, that all of the fans recognize, so the season can be looked at as a success... And if the 76ers do that, they'll be idiots too.

Lol retrospect retrospect.

Dion has only played for 2 years btw, also, he wasn't the only player player we were called on "missing out". Thomas Robinson was the other one. Drummond only became part of discussion after he showed what we now know.

There wasn't a single person who didn't have MKG either 2nd or 3rd (interchangeable with Beal), google and set the date to 2012 if you don't believe me.

I know Waiters has only played 2 seasons. I said 3 seasons trying to convince idiots he is better than Harrison Barnes, because unbelievably there are still a bunch of people that still think Batnes is better.

Oh my bad, I was under impression that you were standard non Cavs fan (instant Cavs bashing)

[Shaud]

MKG was not the consensus number 2 pick for Charlotte. In fact most people were shocked when they drafted him. Most people had Thomas Robinson going to Charlotte.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

I know Waiters has only played 2 seasons. I said 3 seasons trying to convince idiots he is better than Harrison Barnes, because unbelievably there are still a bunch of people that still think Barnes is better.

Statistically, Barnes was the more efficient player this year, and better defender, granted he played on a better team.

I'd still take Barnes as he still has more potential without the attitude. Waiters does nothing but shoot at a low percentage (3 apg on 2.2 tpg doesn't make him a playmaker).

[JDR720]

MKG was not the consensus number 2 pick for Charlotte. In fact most people were shocked when they drafted him. Most people had Thomas Robinson going to Charlotte.

glad that didn't happen

[Q C]

His scoring went down, along with everyone elses in Charlotte because they got Al Jefferson and gave him 20 shots a game.

Anyway, Kidd-Gilchrist is the perfect example of offensive bias that fans have. When you look at a guy like Kyrie Irving that is absolutely garbage at defense and kills his team on that end, nobody calls him a bad pick or "teams shouldn't pick for one side of the floor!"

Kidd-Gilchrist is pretty terrible on offense, but theres a reason Charlottes starting lineup was very good defensively and it wasn't starting Josh McRoberts and Al Jefferson together in the paint.

MKG is a freak at 235 already with a frame to comfortably add 20 pounds. Can't wait to see how he looks when hes 25.

[JDR720]

somebody on the Bobcat board posted

Opponents have an offensive rating of 105.3 when he's off the court compared to 102.4 when he's on. Tony Allen, the player Kidd-Gilchrist is most likened to, has a similar effect on his Memphis team holding teams to 103.2 rating when he's playing but 105.4 when he's not. Kidd-Gilchrist still plays the fifth most minutes on the team averaging about 24 minutes a night. But in the fourth quarter he slips all the way down to 11th on the team in average minutes.

And when breaking it down to the individual pieces, Kidd-Gilchrist holds his opponent counterpart to below league average production consistently with an average opponent PER of 11.1 for opponents, and well below league-average effective field goal percentage (50.1 percent) at 46.6 percent. (via 82games.com)

No, the real cause for concern isn't about Kidd-Gilchrist's scoring. Listen, it's not his strong suit. And it probably won't ever be his strength. In fact, 57 percent of his drives were converted for field goals, and that's a good thing. But MKG is only driving the ball to the basket about twice a night, so those numbers need to improve. But he knows the jumper is not what he needs to do because 70 percent of his shots came from within eight feet of the basket.

Kidd-Gilchrist is aware of his offensive limitations and plays accordingly. He just needs to add a few more points and rebounds (easier said than done I know) per game and I think that can come with more minutes on the floor. His offense often has to come from weak-side plays, and the Bobcats need to get more consistent production from Kidd-Gilchrist on these to be more successful offensively.

he also only touched the ball about 25 times per game (including rebounds/steals) so they dont exactly give him the ball to do anything, and dont forget he is just 20 (wont be 21 until September) he is younger than some players in this draft

[LloydFree]

I know Waiters has only played 2 seasons. I said 3 seasons trying to convince idiots he is better than Harrison Barnes, because unbelievably there are still a bunch of people that still think Barnes is better.

Statistically, Barnes was the more efficient player this year...

[They_Them_Hatin]

He is a very good defender , yes Melo and lebron scored career highs on him but both just had it that night. He needs to work on his jumper. He was the youngest player or 2nd youngest player drafted in his class. I just think besides his jumper it's our inability to develop players. He is not a good fit on a team that doesn't have shooters here. I do think if he gets out of here or if we get detroit's pick and draft a shooting guard that can shoot then he can develop into a great 2 way player . I would take him after ad of course , then Drummond, then beal (lillard if the Wiz are still drafting) then Lillard . If he was put on the warriors , nuggets, suns , or rockets or a team that develops players we would only be talking about one thing his jumpshot.

[JDR720]

I dont know about our player development yet, we actually have a good coaching staff with specialists to develop certain things, (Price = shooting/PG coach and Ewing = big man coach) for the first time ever probably

[Kobblehead]

His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

[mrknowitall215]

His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

What?

At only 20 years old, MKG is the best defender statistically & visually on the 6th best ranked defense in the NBA. That's plenty of defensive impact

...and what do you mean by if you go back to his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level? MKG made 'the' defensive play that preserved Kentucky's National Championship over Kansas when he blocked Tyshawn Taylor in the final minute

[matt6715]

As a Mavs fan I wish we could pry him from Charlotte and find our new Shawn Marion for the next 10 years. I see his ceiling as basically the Maverick version of Matrix

[Kobblehead]

What?

At only 20 years old, MKG is the best defender statistically & visually on the 6th best ranked defense in the NBA. That's plenty of defensive impact

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

...and what do you mean by if you go back to his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level? MKG made 'the' defensive play that preserved Kentucky's National Championship over Kansas when he blocked Tyshawn Taylor in the final minute

By defensive playmaking, I'm referring to making plays on the defensive end that go beyond guarding you man. Like getting blocks, deflecting passes and getting steals. Guys with his length and his athleticism usually are able to make impact defensive plays. For some reason, he doesn't.

When I said the writing was on the wall in college, I was referring to his disappointing 1.9 steal % and his 2.8 block %. And low and behold, what are his NBA numbers? 1.4 steal % and 2.5 block %. Not up to par with athletes with his length.

And when it comes to actually guarding his man, he struggles with consistency (I mean his entire 3500 minutes in the NBA). He was much better this year as a man-defender.

[airyak13]

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

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Anyways, I'm on the side of believing he can still be a stud and live up to being a top 5 draft pick. The only players I can say with certainty that he wont be more impactful than are Anthony David and Andre Drummond. Outside of his poor shot, I think he has confidence issues. Charlotte currently does nothing to help those. He started both seasons hot, and then suffered and injury and fizzled for the remainder of the year.

Also, people saying he was a consensus t#2 pick are living in fantasy land. I clearly remember talks of him going to the Kings at #5 or the Cavs at #4.

[SlowPaced]

He reminds me a lot of Gerald Wallace. Gerald Wallace was a great player in his prime.