Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[catch20two]

And in case you're wondering, the odds of me getting married in 2 years ain't happening unless a chain of miraculous events transpire. That's the same odds of us winning a championship with Jefferson during this 2 year window Masterichiro keep talking about.

[JDR720]

there is a reason that only 10 franchises have won 2+ Championships and only 18 teams have won a Championship period its pretty damn hard to do unless you have Superstars

[MasterIchiro]

And in case you're wondering, the odds of me getting married in 2 years ain't happening unless a chain of miraculous events transpire. That's the same odds of us winning a championship with Jefferson during this 2 year window Masterichiro keep talking about.

That's obvious. But there is a 2-year branding window where they want to win-now. Paying Al Jefferson was the first hint, before a deep draft was the second hint.

We're not building around the draft.

Just because we trade the pick doesn't mean we are sacrificing youth as the players in all options (a, b, c) in my original post are in their early twenties at the oldest - Hardaway, Lamb and pick 9.

You can stay young while getting better immediately and not 2 years from now.

[mrknowitall215]

I don't doubt that. I don't want Kemba stuck 2 more years though.

If you draft Young then I want something done with MKG immediately.

Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Young supplanted Henderson sooner than later. There's no guarantee that Henderson will be demoted no matter what moves they make this offseason. It's hard to pinpoint exactly how much Cho value Henderson as a player. Based on the fact that he was willing to trade him the previous season for a 1st rounder, I would want to think he's expendable though

I think Cho would prefer a win-now move despite the richness of this draft. If they were so enamored with this draft they would have never signed Al Jefferson imo.

I think the Pistons pick with SVG there now is trade bait for a win-now player.

I want to see how fans compare players like Young to Hardaway Jr. and Lamb.

I think guards of their caliber are more realistic trade targets than Klay Thompson obviously so we should be talking about them.

What player qualify as a 'win-now' piece is going to be available via free-agency that's not named Carmelo Anthony? Lance Stephenson nor Gordon Hayward are 'win-now' pieces. They are both good young talents that are a little more proven than the prospects in the draft, but neither of them are even All-Star caliber yet

I don't see nothing wrong with drafting a player or trading for a young player and expecting to see progress from this season into next. Charlotte has to add depth, and that depth has to be talented & serviceable. A draft pick can be talented & serviceable as a rookie if it's the right player. Cho need to step away from his safe net and start drafting players that can put the ball on the floor & score --- and Young can score if nothing else

[mrknowitall215]

i think Lamb is overrated he cant even get off the bench for OKC

That's a erroneous way to look at it. That's like saying Reggie Jackson wouldn't be any good because he couldn't get off OKC's bench his first 2 years in the league

FYI, Lamb received more playing time in his 2nd season for OKC than Jackson did

well jackson was also drafted 12 spots lower than Lamb

Draft position has nothing to do with production. I have no idea what the Thunder are doing with Lamb's development just yet, but I have a firm belief that he'll be a very good 15-20 points per game scorer in this league as soon as he's given the opportunity

[MasterIchiro]

Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Young supplanted Henderson sooner than later. There's no guarantee that Henderson will be demoted no matter what moves they make this offseason. It's hard to pinpoint exactly how much Cho value Henderson as a player. Based on the fact that he was willing to trade him the previous season for a 1st rounder, I would want to think he's expendable though

I think Cho would prefer a win-now move despite the richness of this draft. If they were so enamored with this draft they would have never signed Al Jefferson imo.

I think the Pistons pick with SVG there now is trade bait for a win-now player.

I want to see how fans compare players like Young to Hardaway Jr. and Lamb.

I think guards of their caliber are more realistic trade targets than Klay Thompson obviously so we should be talking about them.

What player qualify as a 'win-now' piece is going to be available via free-agency that's not named Carmelo Anthony? Lance Stephenson nor Gordon Hayward are 'win-now' pieces. They are both good young talents that are a little more proven than the prospects in the draft, but neither of them are even All-Star caliber yet

I don't see nothing wrong with drafting a player or trading for a young player and expecting to see progress from this season into next. Charlotte has to add depth, and that depth has to be talented & serviceable. A draft pick can be talented & serviceable as a rookie if it's the right player. Cho need to step away from his safe net and start drafting players that can put the ball on the floor & score --- and Young can score if nothing else

When I mention win-now players I'm thinking specifically trade targets over draftees. I predict the Pistons pick will not be used on a draftee because either it's a player this year who needs 2 years (al will be gone) or a player next year (al will be in his final year). It's true those draftees can add depth but the Jefferson signing before a big draft and the short term of the deal leads me to believe he's a big part of selling the franchise and the Hornets logo to the fans these lift-off years. I'm just saying I think that's the blueprint. I think we're watching and hoping for this Pistons pick at 9 or next year in the top 5 and all along they're targeting players in trades. I have no idea who but I would gun for younger trade targets if they're going to trade the pick and go with a more immediate impact young player. I think Hardaway Jr. and Lamb are as good of candidates as anyone.

[mrknowitall215]

I think Cho would prefer a win-now move despite the richness of this draft. If they were so enamored with this draft they would have never signed Al Jefferson imo.

I think the Pistons pick with SVG there now is trade bait for a win-now player.

I want to see how fans compare players like Young to Hardaway Jr. and Lamb.

I think guards of their caliber are more realistic trade targets than Klay Thompson obviously so we should be talking about them.

What player qualify as a 'win-now' piece is going to be available via free-agency that's not named Carmelo Anthony? Lance Stephenson nor Gordon Hayward are 'win-now' pieces. They are both good young talents that are a little more proven than the prospects in the draft, but neither of them are even All-Star caliber yet

I don't see nothing wrong with drafting a player or trading for a young player and expecting to see progress from this season into next. Charlotte has to add depth, and that depth has to be talented & serviceable. A draft pick can be talented & serviceable as a rookie if it's the right player. Cho need to step away from his safe net and start drafting players that can put the ball on the floor & score --- and Young can score if nothing else

When I mention win-now players I'm thinking specifically trade targets over draftees. I predict the Pistons pick will not be used on a draftee because either it's a player this year who needs 2 years (al will be gone) or a player next year (al will be in his final year). It's true those draftees can add depth but the Jefferson signing before a big draft and the short term of the deal leads me to believe he's a big part of selling the franchise and the Hornets logo to the fans these lift-off years. I'm just saying I think that's the blueprint. I think we're watching and hoping for this Pistons pick at 9 or next year in the top 5 and all along they're targeting players in trades. I have no idea who but I would gun for younger trade targets if they're going to trade the pick and go with a more immediate impact young player. I think Hardaway Jr. and Lamb are as good of candidates as anyone.

Give me Jeremy Lamb, and I feel like the core of this team is set until Al Jefferson expires and Anthony Davis becomes a intriguing sign-and-trade possibility --- as long as Charlotte keep MKG

[JDR720]

I think MKG is VERY important to Charlotte's Championship aspirations over the next decade, if you're gonna be contenders you need a player to lock down the other teams best scorer, we have ours already its MKG and he is just 20 he has plenty of time to develop a jumpshot (which was just 3 makes from making 1/3 this season) if he can almost make 1/3 of his jumpers with that hitch, i have zero doubt he will shoot at least 35-37% in a year or two when Price gets that hitch smoothed out some

[Bassman]

With the report on RealGM that the Wolves are seriously examining options for trading Kevin Love, what might we put together that could bring him here? I know it's a crazy long-shot, but supposedly he's open to going to teams that can compete now, and outside of the major markets. We wouldn't do it unless he'd agree to an extension.

Of course it would include our Detroit pick, another future pick, Cody, Hendo and filler. Can't include Kemba cause we'd have no PG and Love won't swap crap for different crap. Get Love, sign Lance( draft someone with our 24th pick, and get to work on our Hornets playoff run:

PG - Kemba, Sessions
SG - Lance, Neal
SF - MKG, Taylor
PF - Love, McBob
C - Al, Biz

I know the offer is weak, but I can dream...right? I'd include MKG if necessary. Love would be a perfect 4 to put with Big Al.

[JDR720]

I dont want to bother trading anything for Love, he reportedly said he wants to play in LA or NY he isn't staying in Charlotte

[MasterIchiro]

With the report on RealGM that the Wolves are seriously examining options for trading Kevin Love, what might we put together that could bring him here? I know it's a crazy long-shot, but supposedly he's open to going to teams that can compete now, and outside of the major markets. We wouldn't do it unless he'd agree to an extension.

Of course it would include our Detroit pick, another future pick, Cody, Hendo and filler. Can't include Kemba cause we'd have no PG and Love won't swap crap for different crap. Get Love, sign Lance( draft someone with our 24th pick, and get to work on our Hornets playoff run:

PG - Kemba, Sessions
SG - Lance, Neal
SF - MKG, Taylor
PF - Love, McBob
C - Al, Biz

I know the offer is weak, but I can dream...right? I'd include MKG if necessary. Love would be a perfect 4 to put with Big Al.

I don't think we have the assets but who does?

At any rate, I'd rather just sign Greg Monroe to a max and keep the Pistons first, the Blazers first, Zeller, a future first etc.

You could build a whole team with those assets and Monroe is no slouch.

[MasterIchiro]

From the wiretap:

Love is anxious to exercise his Early Termination Option in the summer of 2015 to leave as a free agent...

There has been a belief that Love would seek a big market such as Los Angeles or New York, but he's open to deals in markets in which he can be part of an immediate contender.

The dangling of Love seems preemptive. The Wolves backs are really not against the wall yet, thus why they're trying to convince Love to reconsider.

I think it would be interesting to see the Pistons pick carry over to top-1 protected 2015 and if the Pistons bomb their season, become the most coveted asset in the NBA right smack before Love is due to opt out. Also give Zeller another season to hopefully improve his trade value.

I really hope LA or NY or Boston doesn't figure out a way to get him before we explore these possibilities.

[MasterIchiro]

If we sign Monroe this summer, maybe we could send Jefferson next summer along with Zeller and the Pistons top-1 protected pick in that deal for Love. Their organization could save face by getting a star and a (hopefully) top-5 pick.

Kemba - PG
Blazers pick/our own 2015 pick - SG
MKG - SF
Love - PF
Monroe - C

[JDR720]

If we sign Monroe this summer, maybe we could send Jefferson next summer along with Zeller and the Pistons top-1 protected pick in that deal for Love. Their organization could save face by getting a star and a (hopefully) top-5 pick.

Kemba - PG
Blazers pick/our own 2015 pick - SG
MKG - SF
Love - PF
Monroe - C

why would Minny want Al, they already traded him once

[MasterIchiro]

If we sign Monroe this summer, maybe we could send Jefferson next summer along with Zeller and the Pistons top-1 protected pick in that deal for Love. Their organization could save face by getting a star and a (hopefully) top-5 pick.

Kemba - PG
Blazers pick/our own 2015 pick - SG
MKG - SF
Love - PF
Monroe - C

why would Minny want Al, they already traded him once

I stated in my post.

[JDR720]

If we sign Monroe this summer, maybe we could send Jefferson next summer along with Zeller and the Pistons top-1 protected pick in that deal for Love. Their organization could save face by getting a star and a (hopefully) top-5 pick.

Kemba - PG
Blazers pick/our own 2015 pick - SG
MKG - SF
Love - PF
Monroe - C

why would Minny want Al, they already traded him once

I stated in my post.

yea but Al isn't exactly young and what are they doing with Dieng/Pekovic, all 3 of them are just centers and cant play PF

[MasterIchiro]

why would Minny want Al, they already traded him once

I stated in my post.

yea but Al isn't exactly young and what are they doing with Dieng/Pekovic, all 3 of them are just centers and cant play PF

Move him to LA in a 3 team trade or move Pek

[HornetJail]

Say the Pistons pick falls to us at 9 and OKC and NYK came to us offering players for pick 9.

What would you do?

a)Keep pick 9 and select _____________.
b)Trade pick 9 for Hardaway Jr.
c)Trade pick 9 for Jeremy Lamb

Choice #1 for me would be packaging #9, #24, #45, Zeller, Neal/Henderson/Taylor, and maybe even a future 1st to move up into the top 6. Star power wins out in this league, and nabbing the 6th pick means we're guaranteed to have one or maybe even two (if someone stupidly snags Smart in the top 5) of these six players: Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Embiid/Vonleh/Exum drop to us.

Choice #2 would be selecting McDermott, Zach Lavine, Nik Stauskas, or Gordon at 9.

Choice #3 would be going after the likes of Klay Thompson with the pick and our other assets.

Choice #4 would be getting Lamb

I wouldn't consider trading the 9th pick for Hardaway. That's ridiculous.

[HornetJail]

From the wiretap:

Love is anxious to exercise his Early Termination Option in the summer of 2015 to leave as a free agent...

There has been a belief that Love would seek a big market such as Los Angeles or New York, but he's open to deals in markets in which he can be part of an immediate contender.

The dangling of Love seems preemptive. The Wolves backs are really not against the wall yet, thus why they're trying to convince Love to reconsider.

I think it would be interesting to see the Pistons pick carry over to top-1 protected 2015 and if the Pistons bomb their season, become the most coveted asset in the NBA right smack before Love is due to opt out. Also give Zeller another season to hopefully improve his trade value.

I really hope LA or NY or Boston doesn't figure out a way to get him before we explore these possibilities.

No, I think their backs are against the wall, as they've been for awhile. They should've traded him last summer, when he already had one foot out the door. The Cavaliers gave the Wolves an incredible package before last years' draft. I think it was the entire team with the exception of Irving, plus the #1 overall pick. The Wolves would be lucky to receive that much this year, given that Kevin Love seems like he's made up his mind on three or four different teams, and is determined to get to one of those places. The problem: very few of those teams have the assets to give up without dismantling their entire rosters or jeopardizing their future, Nets-style. Minnesota's going to hate every offer they get this summer. I'll be surprised if Love doesn't end up a Laker by next offseason. Minnesota will either just have him walk in the offseason or they'll get a **** package like the one New Orleans got for CP3.

[BeesWax]

Say the Pistons pick falls to us at 9 and OKC and NYK came to us offering players for pick 9.

What would you do?

a)Keep pick 9 and select _____________.
b)Trade pick 9 for Hardaway Jr.
c)Trade pick 9 for Jeremy Lamb

Choice #1 for me would be packaging #9, #24, #45, Zeller, Neal/Henderson/Taylor, and maybe even a future 1st to move up into the top 6. Star power wins out in this league, and nabbing the 6th pick means we're guaranteed to have one or maybe even two (if someone stupidly snags Smart in the top 5) of these six players: Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Embiid/Vonleh/Exum drop to us.

Choice #2 would be selecting McDermott, Zach Lavine, Nik Stauskas, or Gordon at 9.

Choice #3 would be going after the likes of Klay Thompson with the pick and our other assets.

Choice #4 would be getting Lamb

I wouldn't consider trading the 9th pick for Hardaway. That's ridiculous.

I would not trade the ninth pick for Lamb but most of the rest I am fine with.