Kidd-Gilchrist Sophmore Year + Future?

Kobblehead · Post #41 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun May 18, 2014 3:53 pm

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

What's ridiculous is MKG's inconsistencies as a man-defender in his 3500 NBA minutes and his inability to generate defensive impact plays given his length and athleticism.

Shaud · Post #42 » by **Shaud** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:22 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
R U Legit wrote:His offense wasn't the reason he was drafted 2nd overall

You don't draft a guy two overall to play one side of the ball.

Does this logic apply for guys who are great offensively but suck on defense?

princeofpalace · Post #43 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:24 pm

He's a bust. I never saw him ever becoming anything more than Gerald Wallace, who you never take #2 in a draft, but now I am unsure if he will even be as good as Wallace.

Sc0pe92 · Post #44 » by **Sc0pe92** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:47 pm

This guy is a bust.

ZUDAMAGIC · Post #45 » by **ZUDAMAGIC** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:54 pm

dorkestra wrote:I would love him on Philly even still.

Thats cause phillly has a D-league level team right now :lol:

MaceCase · Post #46 » by **MaceCase** » Sun May 18, 2014 5:17 pm

He's always struck me as a bigger Josh Childress to the point I jokingly call him Kidd-Childress. Yes there are facets of the game he excels at and he's selective enough on offense to the point you believe he's not killing you on that end but overall you're left underwhelmed. If you're drafting a player that high strictly for his defense then he needs to be able to anchor it, something that isn't at all likely from a perimeter player. That and having not one but two SF counterparts drop 60 on you doesn't help.

Left Side Drive · Post #47 » by **Left Side Drive** » Sun May 18, 2014 5:24 pm

I feel like if you want a player playing the SF position out there defending the best player on the opposing team you got to have an outside shot to spread the floor. If he ends up just a solid defender with no shot and he isn't getting to the line then he becomes a really one dimensional player.

I think a lot of people might get offended when people say he is a bust. No one here is gonna say he is a terrible player because he definitely has a place on many rosters. But as your second overall pick you don't draft a guy that has such a limited skill set.

Spicy P · Post #48 » by **Spicy P** » Sun May 18, 2014 5:33 pm

The guy is only 20. Give him a year or two. He won't be a star, but he can become something similar to an Andre Iguodala without the 3-point range.

Kobblehead · Post #49 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun May 18, 2014 5:43 pm

SalamiNCheez wrote:The guy is only 20. Give him a year or two. He won't be a star, but he can become something similar to an Andre Iguodala without the 3-point range.

That's still a stretch. People forget that other than lockdown defense, Iguodala was also an excellent ball handler with extraordinary vision and passing ability. He was a very efficient point forward during his peak years in Philly.

mrknowitall215 · Post #50 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:01 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

Where are you getting your erroneous statistical information from?

MKG had the best defensive rating on the team of any player that actually played rotational minutes

mrknowitall215 · Post #51 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:05 pm

airyak13 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

Don't pay 'Kobblehead' any attention. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Just follow the link and you'd see that MKG has the best defensive rating of any Bobcats player that actually played rotational minutes

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?T ... de=PerGame

Post #52 » by **JDR720** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:34 pm

without MKG (when he was injured about a month) Charlotte was a below average defense, with MKG they went back to top 5 like they were before he got hurt, saying he has no defensive impact or isn't a good defender is crazy

Atmanne · Post #53 » by **Atmanne** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:37 pm

Not to mention, he's only 6th in defensive win shares because he missed several games and played 1,000+ minutes less than other guys. That was a pretty terrible post :lol:

Anyway, despite him already being an excellent defender, it'll be hard for the Hornets to play him heavy minutes if he never develops something resembling a jumpshot. He kills their spacing.

Illmatic12 · Post #54 » by **Illmatic12** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:49 pm

SalamiNCheez wrote:The guy is only 20. Give him a year or two. He won't be a star, but he can become something similar to an Andre Iguodala without the 3-point range.

Igoudala was never an offensive liability. Can't see MKG ever averaging 20ppg/5apg like prime Iggy

Chuck Everett · Post #55 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun May 18, 2014 6:55 pm

It sucks, but Kidd-Gilchrist was drafted to become a role player. He's a bad pick, just like Cody Zeller is going to be a bad pick. Rich Cho seems in over his head. Passes up on higher upside talent for limited players. Drummond should have been the pick and anything other than Zeller would be better. Seriously, Zeller sucks.

Okada · Post #56 » by **Okada** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:17 pm

He's never gonna come close to living up to his draft spot unless he completely rehauls that jumper.

Post #57 » by **JDR720** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:19 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:It sucks, but Kidd-Gilchrist was drafted to become a role player. He's a bad pick, just like Cody Zeller is going to be a bad pick. Rich Cho seems in over his head. Passes up on higher upside talent for limited players. Drummond should have been the pick and anything other than Zeller would be better. Seriously, Zeller sucks.

the thing about Zeller is, he was the 2nd best top 5 pick (Bennett sucked, Oladipo was good, Otto sucked and Len never played) and you can make the argument he was the 3rd best top 10 pick (not counting Noel because he is a ?)

Post #58 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sun May 18, 2014 11:47 pm

Shaud wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
R U Legit wrote:His offense wasn't the reason he was drafted 2nd overall

You don't draft a guy two overall to play one side of the ball.

Does this logic apply for guys who are great offensively but suck on defense?

Not a bad point. It should, but I don't think it necessarily does.

ComboGuardCity · Post #59 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:22 am

He should play the 4 with big al at the 5.

Shaud · Post #60 » by **Shaud** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:45 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Shaud wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
You don't draft a guy two overall to play one side of the ball.

Does this logic apply for guys who are great offensively but suck on defense?

Not a bad point. It should, but I don't think it necessarily does.

I knew what you were saying it just points out how much offense is valued over defense.