Just How Good are Monroe & Drummond Together?

[engelbert321]

SVG is really talking about the Drumroe tandem, its very clear that he thinks the pair our the cornerstones

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/467300593044709377[/tweet]

I don't mind SVG building around Drumroe, but wtf are we going to do with Smith? He's going to be here for a while unless he gets traded (which is unlikely at this point)

I hope SVG can turn him into a legit 6th man. If not, he'll be another "DNP-CV"

[Clarity]

SVG is really talking about the Drumroe tandem, its very clear that he thinks the pair our the cornerstones

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/467300593044709377[/tweet]

Like I said, Stan gets it.

Thank God this nightmare is almost over.

[Clarity]

Given the fact that a consensus has given examples and reasoning on countless threads explaining how Smith is detrimental to the team and that Monroe is not, I have to assume that the reason you are choosing to ignore logic and statistics is because of bias, personal feelings, or pride.

I don't consider that to be an ignorant conclusion to arrive at.

Sc is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board. I don't think he is being a contrarian on this topic, that's not his vibe at all, he is just dead ass wrong on this particular topic.

[DETermination]

SVG is really talking about the Drumroe tandem, its very clear that he thinks the pair our the cornerstones

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/467300593044709377[/tweet]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S-bgtSr2CE#t=67[/youtube]

[MotownMadness]

Everytime SVG talks I just feel relaxed and comfortable with him in charge. The guy just has common sense and knows what to do. He's the best thing that's happened to us in along time.

[princeofpalace]

^
An interesting part of that interview is where SVG says "players that know when to pass and know when to shoot are the ones that become great". He has 2 starters in Smith and Jennings that don't have that knowledge, will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of these knuckleheads.

[Invictus88]

Given the fact that a consensus has given examples and reasoning on countless threads explaining how Smith is detrimental to the team and that Monroe is not, I have to assume that the reason you are choosing to ignore logic and statistics is because of bias, personal feelings, or pride.

I don't consider that to be an ignorant conclusion to arrive at.

Sc is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this board. I don't think he is being a contrarian on this topic, that's not his vibe at all, he is just dead ass wrong on this particular topic.

Oh, I'm not saying that he isn't extremely intelligent. I don't think knowledge is really the issue here. It's the ignoring of majority opinion which has presented a very large sample of figures and sound reasoning and trying to determine why.

But I also can't say that he isn't being contrarian here -- or at least driven by something other than logic. This isn't any sort of herd mentality that has many people believing Monroe is substantially more beneficial to the Pistons than Josh Smith. Yet he chose to take that opinion and try to put it in that context. Most of the Monroe backers are putting thought behind their posts and backing them up with statistics. He just chooses to ignore it.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to draw that conclusion I made from the quote I cited in my previous post.

[JustinSane]

I think the argument that going with Smith could be wiser than going with Monroe has two reasonable bits of logic:

First, Smith is a sunk cost. If you play Monroe over him, what do you do to Smith? And what does having your two highest played players (by far) at the 4 do to the balance of your roster? Can you fit reasonable talent in at other positions under the salary cap with that lopsided of a salary distribution?

Second, Josh Smith was a darn good 4 in the 2009/2010 season. He hasn't shown diminished skill or athleticism since then, he's just gotten much dumber (see for instance shooting 37 times more threes last season than that season). With competent coaching, he may be able to get that form back. 2009/2010 Smith was a better 4 than Monroe has been. Do I personally buy into these lines of reasoning? Not really. But I'm not certain that they are wrong either.

[Q00]

If Stan resigns Monroe so be it, but it would at least be nice to know he explored all options, and not just committed to it in advance, before even testing the market for better FAs.

For instance, if Melo or Bosh opt out and become UFAs, or Love becomes available via trade, I want to see us at least explore these things and see if there's any chance we could get a star here. If it ends up they can't, and Monroe becomes the best player available, whatever, but don't just rush into it. Fortunately with RFA if he signs an offer sheet with another team, we have 3 days to match. So we can use that time to test FAs and see what else is available before having to make a decision on matching Monroe.

Drummond/Monroe may sound intriguing to Stan now, but Drummond/Melo, Drummond/Love, or Drummond/Bosh may sound even better later. So with 22 mil in capspace we need to go after a star first, before deciding to give 70% of it to Monroe.

[need4detroit]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGxkSPXpFQ0[/youtube]

[Neptune]

^Damn, I can't wait until the 14-15 season starts! This video just turned me on.

[Clarity]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGxkSPXpFQ0[/youtube]

That high low could be unstoppable.

[Joe Berry]

The question of this thread should have been answered by now, they played (or better barely played together) for 2 years now, what a waste these have been.

I don't believe K-Love or a perimeter all-star talent will be available for Moose.
Just resign him, put 3 shooters around DrumRoe and let see what Stan the Man can do with these two, they are 20 and 23 years old for gods sake, never have been put in a situation to succeed actually and never been exposed to a great coach like SVG.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Smith gave a lot of assists to Drummond and Monroe. That means nothing.

If SVG could develop a good faceup and shot game for Monroe, he could be awesome. But his main problem is his attitude and his mind. He needs to play hard, or he'll be an irrelevant player forever.

[ComboGuardCity]

Smith gave a lot of assists to Drummond and Monroe. That means nothing.

If SVG could develop a good faceup and shot game for Monroe, he could be awesome. But his main problem is his attitude and his mind. He needs to play hard, or he'll be an irrelevant player forever.

You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true. Monroe played just as hard, if not harder, than Drummond on a nightly basis.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Smith gave a lot of assists to Drummond and Monroe. That means nothing.

If SVG could develop a good faceup and shot game for Monroe, he could be awesome. But his main problem is his attitude and his mind. He needs to play hard, or he'll be an irrelevant player forever.

You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true. Monroe played just as hard, if not harder, than Drummond on a nightly basis.

Sorry, I don't know you were blind.

[Q00]

If SVG could develop a good faceup and shot game for Monroe, he could be awesome. But his main problem is his attitude and his mind. He needs to play hard, or he'll be an irrelevant player forever.

There's a great article on Mlive with Stan commenting on our defense, and he basically put all the softies from last year on notice, telling them that you're either going to play defense or you won't be on my team. (I'm looking at you Monroe)

"You can not win, there is no history, anywhere in this league, of teams winning that were only good on the offensive end," said Van Gundy, who never has coached a team that didn't make the playoffs.

"I think we can get better defensively very soon, a quarter of a season, a half-season," he said. "You're either going to be committed to doing that or we'll find somebody who is."

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/ ... t_sho.html

All hail SVG

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"You can not win, there is no history, anywhere in this league, of teams winning that were only good on the offensive end," said Van Gundy, who never has coached a team that didn't make the playoffs.

"I think we can get better defensively very soon, a quarter of a season, a half-season," he said. "You're either going to be committed to doing that or we'll find somebody who is."

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/ ... t_sho.html

All hail SVG

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Well, it was nice knowing ya Jennings lol

[paQo the BAWSER]

How many teams in PO play without a PF who can shoot? Facts are hard to argue.