OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

[mrknowitall215]

Opponents have an offensive rating of 105.3 when he's off the court compared to 102.4 when he's on. Tony Allen, the player Kidd-Gilchrist is most likened to, has a similar effect on his Memphis team holding teams to 103.2 rating when he's playing but 105.4 when he's not. Kidd-Gilchrist still plays the fifth most minutes on the team averaging about 24 minutes a night. But in the fourth quarter he slips all the way down to 11th on the team in average minutes.

And when breaking it down to the individual pieces, Kidd-Gilchrist holds his opponent counterpart to below league average production consistently with an average opponent PER of 11.1 for opponents, and well below league-average effective field goal percentage (50.1 percent) at 46.6 percent. (via 82games.com)

No, the real cause for concern isn't about Kidd-Gilchrist's scoring. Listen, it's not his strong suit. And it probably won't ever be his strength. In fact, 57 percent of his drives were converted for field goals, and that's a good thing. But MKG is only driving the ball to the basket about twice a night, so those numbers need to improve. But he knows the jumper is not what he needs to do because 70 percent of his shots came from within eight feet of the basket.

Kidd-Gilchrist is aware of his offensive limitations and plays accordingly. He just needs to add a few more points and rebounds (easier said than done I know) per game and I think that can come with more minutes on the floor. His offense often has to come from weak-side plays, and the Bobcats need to get more consistent production from Kidd-Gilchrist on these to be more successful offensively.

[BigSlam]

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[LofJ]

Lol at that stat head in the general board topic trying to make the argument that MKG isn't a good defender. Maybe if he actually bothered to watch some of our games he wouldn't be in there making a fool of himself. Any of our fans who watched us play and are knowledgeable about the game should know that MKG was our third most impactful player last year, at 20 years old. He is the engine that made our defense what it was last year.

[mrknowitall215]

There's a imbecile on the general board trying to argue that MKG isn't a good defender and has no defensive impact on the team because he doesn't average a lot of steals & blocks

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His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

What's ridiculous is MKG's inconsistencies as a man-defender in his 3500 NBA minutes and his inability to generate defensive impact plays given his length and athleticism.

And when it comes to actually guarding his man, he struggles with consistency (I mean his entire 3500 minutes in the NBA). He was much better this year as a man-defender.

[BeesWax]

There's a imbecile on the general board trying to argue that MKG isn't a good defender and has no defensive impact on the team because he doesn't average a lot of steals & blocks

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1322284

His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

What's ridiculous is MKG's inconsistencies as a man-defender in his 3500 NBA minutes and his inability to generate defensive impact plays given his length and athleticism.

And when it comes to actually guarding his man, he struggles with consistency (I mean his entire 3500 minutes in the NBA). He was much better this year as a man-defender.

Sometimes you just got to let idiots be idiots.

He doesn't know anything about our team so it is not a surprise he is a poor evaluator of talent here.

[catch20two]

Lol at that stat head in the general board topic trying to make the argument that MKG isn't a good defender. Maybe if he actually bothered to watch some of our games he wouldn't be in there making a fool of himself. Any of our fans who watched us play and are knowledgeable about the game should know that MKG was our third most impactful player last year, at 20 years old. He is the engine that made our defense what it was last year.

The part that got me upset is that there are actually people reading into the nonsense he is spewing and saying if that's the case then he's a bust. I would post on the GB but I'd probably get suspended messing with that fool.

[catch20two]

There's a imbecile on the general board trying to argue that MKG isn't a good defender and has no defensive impact on the team because he doesn't average a lot of steals & blocks

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1322284

His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

What's ridiculous is MKG's inconsistencies as a man-defender in his 3500 NBA minutes and his inability to generate defensive impact plays given his length and athleticism.

And when it comes to actually guarding his man, he struggles with consistency (I mean his entire 3500 minutes in the NBA). He was much better this year as a man-defender.

WTF. Unbelievable idiocy.

[JDR720]

There's a imbecile on the general board trying to argue that MKG isn't a good defender and has no defensive impact on the team because he doesn't average a lot of steals & blocks

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1322284

His overall defense improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, but he's still overrated on that side of the ball. It was supposed to be his calling card, but he just doesn't make a huge defensive impact. The writing was on the wall, though, if you go back and look at his lack of defensive playmaking at the college level.

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

What's ridiculous is MKG's inconsistencies as a man-defender in his 3500 NBA minutes and his inability to generate defensive impact plays given his length and athleticism.

And when it comes to actually guarding his man, he struggles with consistency (I mean his entire 3500 minutes in the NBA). He was much better this year as a man-defender.

[amcoolio]

Its nice how they can bait like that and its ok. Whereas I post "you probably didn't watch any Bobcats games" and get banned from the GB.

[BeesWax]

Its nice how they can bait like that and its ok. Whereas I post "you probably didn't watch any Bobcats games" and get banned from the GB.

Seems like it is ok to be stupid on the general board but if you tell someone where they made mistakes you are kicked out.

[mrknowitall215]

A lot of people are quick to rag or express disdain for MKG's offensive deficiencies, but there are several of rotational players around the league that score at the same or a lesser rate per minute than MKG

MKG averaged 10.7 points per 36
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per 36 of other known players around the league:

Andre Iguodala - 10.4
DeAndre Jordan - 10.7
Ricky Rubio - 10.7
Giannis Antetokounmpo - 10.0
Iman Shumpert - 9.1
Draymond Green - 10.2
Tayshaun Prince - 8.4

...just to name a few

[JDR720]

If MKG shoots 9 times per game and makes 4.3 of them (47%) and gets to the FT line 4 times and makes 2.9 (72%) that is 11.5 points which is very doable if Cliff decides to play him lets say 30 mins

[Liver_Pooty]

Thanks to Tsherkin I got another appeal to post again on the GB, and after visiting the GB and seeing that MKG thread I think I better lay off for a while. A few posters had a few good points. Was MKG worth the #2 pick? Right now, no, he isn't.

But this bust sh*t just pisses me off. Just like whenever people call Zeller a bust, or even Biyombo a bust. Let them play at least 4-5 seasons before we get out the bust tag, especially when they were drafted as young as Biyombo and MKG.

Biyombo, you're getting close there buddy. Ditch the cross fit and get in a basketball gym.

[LofJ]

It's frustrating that I can't post in the general board topic to refute the stupid crap being posted there. I especially love the guy comparing MKG to Bruce Bowen and then later saying he'd be out of the league in a few years. Sure buddy....you're either a troll or an idiot.

[MasterIchiro]

Well I hear the same things about MKG from non-Hornets fans. There's a huge discrepancy.

You guys need me here to close the gap.

You need me.

[Elden Payton]

People really don't know what the definition of bust is.

[LamarMatic7]

Thanks to Tsherkin I got another appeal to post again on the GB, and after visiting the GB and seeing that MKG thread I think I better lay off for a while. A few posters had a few good points. Was MKG worth the #2 pick? Right now, no, he isn't.

But this bust sh*t just pisses me off. Just like whenever people call Zeller a bust, or even Biyombo a bust. Let them play at least 4-5 seasons before we get out the bust tag, especially when they were drafted as young as Biyombo and MKG.

Biyombo, you're getting close there buddy. Ditch the cross fit and get in a basketball gym.

Just ask Tsherkin how Rafael Araujo is doing.

[Baller2014]

It's frustrating that I can't post in the general board topic to refute the stupid crap being posted there. I especially love the guy comparing MKG to Bruce Bowen and then later saying he'd be out of the league in a few years. Sure buddy....you're either a troll or an idiot.

Because you think MKG will be better or worse than Bowen?

[BeesWax]

It's frustrating that I can't post in the general board topic to refute the stupid crap being posted there. I especially love the guy comparing MKG to Bruce Bowen and then later saying he'd be out of the league in a few years. Sure buddy....you're either a troll or an idiot.

Because you think MKG will be better or worse than Bowen?

The point was Bowen had a long career. If you are going to say the two are alike why would MKG be out of the league in a few years.

[Baller2014]

Bowen took a while to get his career going, having to go overseas, etc. He only managed to make a career after he learnt how to hit open corner 3's. And even then, his skill set severely limited his value because on almost any team he'd kill you on offense. He worked on the early Duncan Spurs because Duncan was one of a handful of players who could consistently draw a double team, giving Bowen plenty of wide open corner 3's. But that skill-set had limited value to most teams, which is why Bowen was only paid over $4 mill once in his career (and only barely). Bowen was a fan favourite for the Spurs, and a good role player, but there's no reason to think a comparison to Bowen is a favourable one for a #2 pick.