Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#121 » by WhatsaTDot » Mon May 19, 2014 6:54 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:Yeah one of the ways to argue against HOU trading everything for Love, is they could sign Carmelo instead while keeping Parsons and Bev. Would require dumping Asik and Lin. Don't think that's a problem for Asik, I see him having an under the cap taker around the league, not to mention NY might just S&T for him (they won't for Lin with Dolan thing). As for Lin, even if a taker straight up isn't found, a deal like Lin and Jones for capspace is prob a cinch

Melo, Parsons, Bev is a better team than Love and a gutted roster. But nowhere near the longevity. Interesting dilemma.


On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.


HOU gets Love, 32, 54
MIN gets Jones, Harden, Parsons, 25
PHI gets Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 13

HOU then should have enough cap space to sign Melo outright. Even though they are overpaying Minny it facilitates them clearing room for Melo so it works, assuming that they know they can sign Melo upon acquiring Love and need to dump all those players to clear the room.


Why is Philly even in this deal? The 32nd pick is the only value they add (and its not much value at all) and they get Asik, Motie AND 13? For taking on Lin's deal?
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#123 » by microfib4thewin » Mon May 19, 2014 7:52 am

Note30 wrote:Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)


I am struggling to see how this is good value for an extended Love. The Suns are giving up two high-value assets(2015 Lakers 1st which could well be 6-12, Bledsoe), four mid-value assets( #14, #18, 2015 Phoenix 1st, Morris), and the Suns also have to add another incentive(taking on Martin's deal). Love with a decent team was nowhere close to making the playoffs this season. How could any team cope with losing that many assets for Love?
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#124 » by DirtyDez » Mon May 19, 2014 8:56 am

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Note30 wrote:Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)


I am struggling to see how this is good value for an extended Love. The Suns are giving up two high-value assets(2015 Lakers 1st which could well be 6-12, Bledsoe), four mid-value assets( #14, #18, 2015 Phoenix 1st, Morris), and the Suns also have to add another incentive(taking on Martin's deal). Love with a decent team was nowhere close to making the playoffs this season. How could any team cope with losing that many assets for Love?


The Suns would never make that trade. The point of acquiring Love is to pair him with that dynamic backcourt.

Markieff would definitely be in the trade with the way his game improved last season. Love is a 36+ minute guy and Kieff is too good to play only 15 mpg. Frye fits that backup role better.

#14 + #18 could get PHX around 9-10 and the Lakers pick next year will also be top 10. That's Markieff Morris and b2b top-10 picks most likely. The Suns could probably pair all 3 together for a higher pick with a 3rd team if needed.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#125 » by jimmy keys » Mon May 19, 2014 11:41 am

eliasrapp98 wrote:Philly does Noel and #10 for Love and #13

Basically a Love-Noel swap where Minny gets a slightly higher pick as well. ***Thad could be thrown in as well.

Philly then tries to sign..... LEBRON


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Then you wake up. :lol:

Actually Philly might make some sense if you land Embiid. I think Love is sick of missing the playoffs though.

Also I like how the difference between Noel and Love is 3 spots in the draft. That was slick :wink:
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#126 » by eliasrapp98 » Mon May 19, 2014 11:47 am

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eliasrapp98 wrote:Philly does Noel and #10 for Love and #13

Basically a Love-Noel swap where Minny gets a slightly higher pick as well. ***Thad could be thrown in as well.

Philly then tries to sign..... LEBRON


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Then you wake up. :lol:

Actually Philly might make some sense if you land Embiid. I think Love is sick of missing the playoffs though.

Also I like how the difference between Noel and Love is 3 spots in the draft. That was slick :wink:

That's their values yeah. An expiring contract is an expiring contract. Love is a spectacular player but how much do those expiring, complaining, superstars ever get? Melo? DWill? Howard? Noel would be the biggest piece in any of those deals. Noel is locked up for 3 or if u want him 7 years for cheap. Love is an expensive expiring that could leave any team he goes to like Howard in LA.

Also too keep in mind the talent drop from #10 to #13 is fairly large.

And why wouldn't KLove see this as a place to win if we can sign a FA with him along with MCW and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum.


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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#127 » by jimmy keys » Mon May 19, 2014 12:05 pm

eliasrapp98 wrote:
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eliasrapp98 wrote:Philly does Noel and #10 for Love and #13

Basically a Love-Noel swap where Minny gets a slightly higher pick as well. ***Thad could be thrown in as well.

Philly then tries to sign..... LEBRON


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Then you wake up. :lol:

Actually Philly might make some sense if you land Embiid. I think Love is sick of missing the playoffs though.

Also I like how the difference between Noel and Love is 3 spots in the draft. That was slick :wink:

That's their values yeah. An expiring contract is an expiring contract. Love is a spectacular player but how much do those expiring, complaining, superstars ever get? Melo? DWill? Howard? Noel would be the biggest piece in any of those deals. Noel is locked up for 3 or if u want him 7 years for cheap. Love is an expensive expiring that could leave any team he goes to like Howard in LA.

Also too keep in mind the talent drop from #10 to #13 is fairly large.

And why wouldn't KLove see this as a place to win if we can sign a FA with him along with MCW and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum.


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No it's not fairly large. After pick 4 this draft is pretty wide open, the next best player could go late first round who knows.

I didn't say Philly would be a horrible choice I just laughed that you had the audacity to put the pick swap in there.

Forget about the swap, if you're somewhat serious about getting Love start with Noel + 10 and add some value like Thad or whatever. Then wait for the counter offer.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#128 » by eliasrapp98 » Mon May 19, 2014 12:09 pm

jimmy keys wrote:
eliasrapp98 wrote:
jimmy keys wrote:
Then you wake up. :lol:

Actually Philly might make some sense if you land Embiid. I think Love is sick of missing the playoffs though.

Also I like how the difference between Noel and Love is 3 spots in the draft. That was slick :wink:

That's their values yeah. An expiring contract is an expiring contract. Love is a spectacular player but how much do those expiring, complaining, superstars ever get? Melo? DWill? Howard? Noel would be the biggest piece in any of those deals. Noel is locked up for 3 or if u want him 7 years for cheap. Love is an expensive expiring that could leave any team he goes to like Howard in LA.

Also too keep in mind the talent drop from #10 to #13 is fairly large.

And why wouldn't KLove see this as a place to win if we can sign a FA with him along with MCW and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum.


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[/b]No it's not fairly large. After pick 4 this draft is pretty wide open, the next best player could go late first round who knows.[/b]

I didn't say Philly would be a horrible choice I just laughed that you had the audacity to put the pick swap in there.

Forget about the swap, if you're somewhat serious about getting Love start with Noel + 10 and add some value like Thad or whatever. Then wait for the counter offer.

So Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Vonleh could all go late first round? They won't get past 10.


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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#129 » by jimmy keys » Mon May 19, 2014 12:29 pm

eliasrapp98 wrote:
jimmy keys wrote:
eliasrapp98 wrote:That's their values yeah. An expiring contract is an expiring contract. Love is a spectacular player but how much do those expiring, complaining, superstars ever get? Melo? DWill? Howard? Noel would be the biggest piece in any of those deals. Noel is locked up for 3 or if u want him 7 years for cheap. Love is an expensive expiring that could leave any team he goes to like Howard in LA.

Also too keep in mind the talent drop from #10 to #13 is fairly large.

And why wouldn't KLove see this as a place to win if we can sign a FA with him along with MCW and Wiggins/Parker/Embiid/Exum.


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[/b]No it's not fairly large. After pick 4 this draft is pretty wide open, the next best player could go late first round who knows.[/b]

I didn't say Philly would be a horrible choice I just laughed that you had the audacity to put the pick swap in there.

Forget about the swap, if you're somewhat serious about getting Love start with Noel + 10 and add some value like Thad or whatever. Then wait for the counter offer.

So Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Vonleh could all go late first round? They won't get past 10.


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I agree they'll all go top 10, but I think there will be at least 1 player better than all of them drafted after 10.

This draft reminds me of a light version of 2003. 4 stars in the top 5 (obviously not as good as Lebron and Co.), 1 bust in the top 5, 6 to 30 wide open with some better players drafted in the teens or early 20's.

This draft has better depth than 2003 though, so I like the odds of there being just as good if not better players being available later in the draft. I think 5 to 10 is the worst spot to be in this year.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#130 » by verbal8 » Mon May 19, 2014 12:33 pm

Wizards should/could offer:
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
Andre Miller
Cash
2017 1st

for

Kevin Love

Andre Miller can be bought out for $2 million(in 2015 salary) if waived this NBA year.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#131 » by teke184 » Mon May 19, 2014 12:34 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Pelicans offer:
Anderson, Gordon, 2015 #1, 2016 #1, for Love/Martin


Not a legal trade due to 2 consecutive 1sts going given their current assets.

If they acquire anyone's 1st in either of these years, the trade becomes legal.
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Post#132 » by The Rebel » Mon May 19, 2014 12:47 pm

DaFan334 wrote:Denver could offer a package of Faried, Chandler, 2014 1st round pick (11), 2016 Knicks 1st round pick if Love agreed to an extension. With how Faried played the second half of the year (18.8ppg and 10.1rpg after the All Star Break), he could be a solid replacement for the Wolves. The Nuggets would probably prefer Chandler, but if necessary, I would imagine that Gallo could replace Chandler.


With the rumors that Love is looking to go to a large market I do not see the Nuggets offering anywhere close to that, they just got burned by the Igoudala deal, and this is giving up more assets for a guy who is more than likely gone next year.

Also anybody who thinks Love is signing an extension before the trade or even soon after are fooling yourselves, with the way the CBA is written players get less money from an extension than if they let their deal expire and sign a whole new contract with the same team. All the top players will be free agents whether they want to leave their current team or not.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#133 » by fishercob » Mon May 19, 2014 1:30 pm

verbal8 wrote:Wizards should/could offer:
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
Andre Miller
Cash
2017 1st

for

Kevin Love

Andre Miller can be bought out for $2 million(in 2015 salary) if waived this NBA year.


Yep.

Or Beal/Nene/1st for Love/Martin.

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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#134 » by enzino » Mon May 19, 2014 1:39 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Boston offers:
A.) #5, Green and choice of Sullinger or Olynyk + take back bad contract.
B.) Similar deal but use of TPE and non guarantees to relieve more salaries.

option A.) is not feasable. TPE and players can't be combined to match salaries

C.) expiring contract (Humphries), Sullinger and Olynyk, #17, one of the 2015 first rounders
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#135 » by Higgs Boston » Mon May 19, 2014 1:42 pm

Boston Celtics

Sullinger + green + bass + anthony/faverani + celtics and sixers 2015 + nets 2016 + celtics 2017 + nets 2018
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#136 » by kingstyyyle » Mon May 19, 2014 1:59 pm

Note30 wrote:Speaking as a Wolves fan. I think the only reasonable destinations for Love provided there is a signed extension is:

Boston (Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, #5 for Love and Budinger)
Chicago (Butler, Mirotic and #16, #19, 2015 Bulls and Sacramento first)
Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)
Denver (# 11, 2015 1st Denver, Faried, Gallinari for Love + Martin)

This is insane. No matter how you guys want to slice it he's a UFA next season and the Wolves have no leverage at this point. As other posters have said Love has the leverage and he's not going to want to gut the team he's going to so the package you're going to get is going to be no where close to this.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#137 » by sportscrazy » Mon May 19, 2014 2:04 pm

Can some one make a sensible deal that works cap wise based around Eric Gordon and Kevin Love to Boston, Sullinger to Minnesota and Pekovic to New Orleans?
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#138 » by verbal8 » Mon May 19, 2014 2:09 pm

sportscrazy wrote:Can some one make a sensible deal that works cap wise based around Eric Gordon and Kevin Love to Boston, Sullinger to Minnesota and Pekovic to New Orleans?


It would take a huge incentive to swap Pekovic for Eric Gordon.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#139 » by sportscrazy » Mon May 19, 2014 2:10 pm

Pekovic and Wallace to New Orleans
Love and Gordon to Boston
5th, Sullinger, Bass, Bogans, J. Anthony, Morrow and Rivers to Minnesota
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#140 » by mysticbb » Mon May 19, 2014 2:22 pm

The Rebel wrote:Also anybody who thinks Love is signing an extension before the trade or even soon after are fooling yourselves, with the way the CBA is written players get less money from an extension than if they let their deal expire and sign a whole new contract with the same team. All the top players will be free agents whether they want to leave their current team or not.


And that is a main issue here for the teams, because they will be reluctant to giving up a lot of assets, if it will not be clear that Love would stay after next season (meaning, that there is a high probability that Love will sign the 5yr max with them in the next summer). Based on the rumors, it looks like the Lakers, Knicks, Bulls and Warriors are the only teams, for which it would make sense to give up assets in order to get Love now. Also, Love might want to see a team being able to put a winning team together, with all the necessary surroundings, and so far only the Warriors and the Bulls could provide that with a high degree of probability.

Which offers might be reasonable for the Timberwolves to take? I don't think that it would be wise to take someone like Lee back with his two years left and essentially providing less than Love overall. The issue seems to be that Lee needs to be in order to make that work salary-wise, or they find a third team interested in adding Lee to their roster. The Timberwolves also have Martin, Budinger, Brewer and Muhammad for the wing already, thus I have a hard time seeing them interested in Barnes in such a deal, unless they could move one of those wings. I see them being interested in Draymond Green, though. Thompson, obviously as well.

For the Bulls, there might be the chance to upgrade a current pick by sending the 16th or 19th and the future Kings pick to the Kings for their pick in this season, if they are not moving up in the draft lottery. In that way the Bulls can offer the Kings pick 2014, the remaining 16/19 pick, and another future pick additionally to the rights to Mirotic. If Mirotic would be interested in joining the Timberwolves (and with Rubio there might be the right guy to connect to Mirotic), that could be very interesting for the Timberwolves. Bulls would need to use Boozer's contract, and can only send out $3m to compensate. But there might be a catch here, because ultimately the Bulls can arrange a deal in that fashion, that part of that can go through on or even before the draft day, while another part of a deal could be set up to happen after the July moratorium. In that way, the Bulls may be able to send overall $6m (not that I'm especially confident about it, but they said that they would re-invest the money they saved via Deng trade, which amounts to about $20m this season).
Example:

Love for Boozer+Mirotic+picks+$3m on or before draft day
Amundson+Brewer+James (all unguaranteed contracts)+$3m for Budinger or Brewer or Barea

Ultimately that could mean Love+either one of the mentioned contracts for an expiring Boozer, plus Mirotic, plus 3 unguaranteed contracts, plus 3 first rounders, plus $6m to compensate for part of Boozer's salary.

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