Kidd-Gilchrist Sophmore Year + Future?

[Clevelander]

i see him becoming a tony allen type player.

[510TWSS]

He jumps on his FT attempts.





That is all.

What's wrong with that? He's not the only player in nba history to shoot ft's as a jumpshot. If you can make them I don't care if you shoot them with your feet.

[510TWSS]

I've tempered a bit on him but I still love him as a player. 2nd overall has a lofty billing to live up to and he's not a conventional #2 type pick since his forte wasn't offensive skill per se, more athletic potential and great character so it was not a stretch to imagine he'd improve. I would've comped him to Gerald green or Shaun Marion type at his peak. While I wish he would've made a leap in his 2nd year, I wouldn't give up on him although charlotte's roster may not accentuate what mkg does well already.

[Space Dracula]

He's not going to amount to much if he can't make a basket outside of the restricted area. Will he even be as good as Gerald Henderson? I'd say 50/50.

[MaceCase]

He jumps on his FT attempts.





That is all.

What's wrong with that? He's not the only player in nba history to shoot ft's as a jumpshot. If you can make them I don't care if you shoot them with your feet.

You can't be serious. Would be one thing if he actually could make them but 61% says you need to rethink trying to emulate guys from the 50s particularly when this lil tweak to his FT routine caused a 15 point dip in his FT% rather than improving it.

[510TWSS]

He jumps on his FT attempts.





That is all.

What's wrong with that? He's not the only player in nba history to shoot ft's as a jumpshot. If you can make them I don't care if you shoot them with your feet.

You can't be serious. Would be one thing if he actually could make them but 61% says you need to rethink trying to emulate guys from the 50s particularly when this lil tweak to his FT routine caused a 15 point dip in his FT% rather than improving it.

Yeah 61% is pretty terrible! I hadn't seen his % this year. Last year he hit 75% with an even more unrefined motion. I'm willing to allow it as long as he hits them in the mid 70's but around 60% that definitely needs improvement. Just saying not every player needs to shoot ft's the same way. I'd advocate whatever way you're comfortable with as long as you make them at an acceptable rate. Shaun Marion and Kmart both have unorthodox shooting mechanics but the key is they make them. Maybe MKG needs an overhaul or maybe he needs hours and hours or repetition. Who knows, hopefully charlotte's coaches do.

[JDR720]

What's wrong with that? He's not the only player in nba history to shoot ft's as a jumpshot. If you can make them I don't care if you shoot them with your feet.

You can't be serious. Would be one thing if he actually could make them but 61% says you need to rethink trying to emulate guys from the 50s particularly when this lil tweak to his FT routine caused a 15 point dip in his FT% rather than improving it.

Yeah 61% is pretty terrible! I hadn't seen his % this year. Last year he hit 75% with an even more unrefined motion. I'm willing to allow it as long as he hits them in the mid 70's but around 60% that definitely needs improvement. Just saying not every player needs to shoot ft's the same way. I'd advocate whatever way you're comfortable with as long as you make them at an acceptable rate. Shaun Marion and Kmart both have unorthodox shooting mechanics but the key is they make them. Maybe MKG needs an overhaul or maybe he needs hours and hours or repetition. Who knows, hopefully charlotte's coaches do.

he was around 70% before he broke his hand (actually he got blocked form behind and his hand got smashed into the backboard) he really struggled with a glove on his hand when he came back

[510TWSS]

You can't be serious. Would be one thing if he actually could make them but 61% says you need to rethink trying to emulate guys from the 50s particularly when this lil tweak to his FT routine caused a 15 point dip in his FT% rather than improving it.

Yeah 61% is pretty terrible! I hadn't seen his % this year. Last year he hit 75% with an even more unrefined motion. I'm willing to allow it as long as he hits them in the mid 70's but around 60% that definitely needs improvement. Just saying not every player needs to shoot ft's the same way. I'd advocate whatever way you're comfortable with as long as you make them at an acceptable rate. Shaun Marion and Kmart both have unorthodox shooting mechanics but the key is they make them. Maybe MKG needs an overhaul or maybe he needs hours and hours or repetition. Who knows, hopefully charlotte's coaches do.

he was around 70% before he broke his hand (actually he got blocked form behind and his hand got smashed into the backboard) he really struggled with a glove on his hand when he came back

Haha lol I knew he broke his hand but didn't know he wore a glove. Did he look like Michael Jackson? Please tell me it was white.

[Eoghan]

He's not going to amount to much if he can't make a basket outside of the restricted area. Will he even be as good as Gerald Henderson? I'd say 50/50.

I would take MKG over Hendo on any day of the week, any lineup. Hendo is a jack of some trades, master only of inefficient fadeaways.

MKG was always going to take some time, he was a huge project and anybody that thought he'd put up numbers right away is either a homer or someone not good at these things. I was against the pick b/c drafting project wings with the 2nd pick when a freakishly athletic big man project is available is almost never a good idea.

I'm pleased with his progress but dealing with constant coaching schemes hasn't helped, especially since Clifford's offensive schemes and substitutions are basically the exact opposite of MKG's game.

[Space Dracula]

I'm pleased with his progress but dealing with constant coaching schemes hasn't helped, especially since Clifford's offensive schemes and substitutions are basically the exact opposite of MKG's game.

There's not much you can do offensively with a wing who can't shoot, make FT, or get to the line. His passing doesn't look as nice as anticipated.

[WhatsaTDot]

It sucks, but Kidd-Gilchrist was drafted to become a role player. He's a bad pick, just like Cody Zeller is going to be a bad pick. Rich Cho seems in over his head. Passes up on higher upside talent for limited players. Drummond should have been the pick and anything other than Zeller would be better. Seriously, Zeller sucks.

the thing about Zeller is, he was the 2nd best top 5 pick (Bennett sucked, Oladipo was good, Otto sucked and Len never played) and you can make the argument he was the 3rd best top 10 pick (not counting Noel because he is a ?)

Goes to show how bad that draft was. Remains to be seen what Noel will offer.

Given what we've seen of Zeller so far, would you still prefer Zeller over Noel? Or Noel over Biyombo for that matter?

My personal take is that Charlotte needed to be bad for another year so drafting an injured prospect like Noel would have been a good move. Of course signing Jefferson signalled their intentions to want to compete this year which explains drafting a player like Zeller who could at least take the floor this year.

You could potentially trade Big Al to get back into the top 10 but as others have pointed out, it wouldn't do much for future potential Hornet free agent signings. On the other hand, players know this is a business and teams do what's best for the team. Big Al is a potentially valuable asset to the right team and can and should be used whichever way the Hornets best see fit.

[Upperclass]

He's the wing version of a "hustle big". His athleticism is way overstated. He isnt that quick, agile and isnt an extraordinary leaper. He just is a tireless worker on the defensive end. Charlotte essentially drafted a version of Bruce Bowen before he got the corner 3. I dont see him lasting long in the league after the luster of his #2 status has worn off.

[sanitylaker]

Dude is garbage for a 2nd overall pick. That shooting form is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen after Marion's

[They_Them_Hatin]

It sucks, but Kidd-Gilchrist was drafted to become a role player. He's a bad pick, just like Cody Zeller is going to be a bad pick. Rich Cho seems in over his head. Passes up on higher upside talent for limited players. Drummond should have been the pick and anything other than Zeller would be better. Seriously, Zeller sucks.

the thing about Zeller is, he was the 2nd best top 5 pick (Bennett sucked, Oladipo was good, Otto sucked and Len never played) and you can make the argument he was the 3rd best top 10 pick (not counting Noel because he is a ?)

Goes to show how bad that draft was. Remains to be seen what Noel will offer.

Given what we've seen of Zeller so far, would you still prefer Zeller over Noel? Or Noel over Biyombo for that matter?

My personal take is that Charlotte needed to be bad for another year so drafting an injured prospect like Noel would have been a good move. Of course signing Jefferson signalled their intentions to want to compete this year which explains drafting a player like Zeller who could at least take the floor this year.

You could potentially trade Big Al to get back into the top 10 but as others have pointed out, it wouldn't do much for future potential Hornet free agent signings. On the other hand, players know this is a business and teams do what's best for the team. Big Al is a potentially valuable asset to the right team and can and should be used whichever way the Hornets best see fit.

We were split but I was on the side who wanted exactly what you just said. Management promised us they wouldn't rush but 2 very bad seasons and a lot of bad media they rushed it. I nearly lost it when we took Zeller over Noel. I don't view Cho as highly as most Charlotte fans do. Dude has us on the treadmill.

[will]

That shooting form though!

What a hot mess.

[jerzeyguy201]

He jumps on his FT attempts.





That is all.

[JonFromVA]

He was 8th on his team in defensive rating and 6th on his team in defensive win shares. Either you suck at evaluating what you see or you just like to talk in hyperbole.

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

Drtg and defensive win shares never should have been let through the window in the first place....

Not many fans seem to have the patience necessary to let young players develop.

fwiw, I think Drummond still could have gone as high as #2, but didn't show very well at the combine or in workouts/interviews. TRob is the guy many expected Charlotte to snag, but MKG and Beal were certainly in the mix as well.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

Drtg and defensive win shares never should have been let through the window in the first place....

Not many fans seem to have the patience necessary to let young players develop.

fwiw, I think Drummond still could have gone as high as #2, but didn't show very well at the combine or in workouts/interviews. TRob is the guy many expected Charlotte to snag, but MKG and Beal were certainly in the mix as well.

Yup.

Funny how people's memory changes as time passes. TRob was 2nd on most mock drafts. Followed by MKG/Barnes. Beal was barely in lottery until the tournament, 7-10 range until the combine. Jeremy Lamb was a top 5 projection just weeks prior. Lamb/Beal comparisons were a thing. GSW was to draft Waiters at 7 & he wasn't even a first round pick at midseason.

[StitchJones]

Admitted Hornets fan here. MKG has several problems.

- The jumper is just atrocious and honestly he has not shown the diligence needed to work on it. If he does not put in the work this offseason then his potential long term is severely limited

- He's a two foot jumper. MKG has a lot of athleticism, but it sometimes doesn't get noticed because he always jumps off two feet without truly exploding off one.

- His handles are not great. He can dribble from one end of the court to the other without losing the ball, but he's not a one on one iso player.

The thing he has going for him is his intensity, and age. He still has time to get significantly better, but he has to be willing to put in the work. He should be in a gym today taking hundreds of jumpshots with an improved form, but the sense i get is that this is not happening.

[airyak13]

If this is true, we should toss those two stats out of the window ASAP. Not saying he should be 1st in both, but 8th and 6th are ridiculous

Drtg and defensive win shares never should have been let through the window in the first place....

Not many fans seem to have the patience necessary to let young players develop.

fwiw, I think Drummond still could have gone as high as #2, but didn't show very well at the combine or in workouts/interviews. TRob is the guy many expected Charlotte to snag, but MKG and Beal were certainly in the mix as well.

Yup.

Funny how people's memory changes as time passes. TRob was 2nd on most mock drafts. Followed by MKG/Barnes. Beal was barely in lottery until the tournament, 7-10 range until the combine. Jeremy Lamb was a top 5 projection just weeks prior. Lamb/Beal comparisons were a thing. GSW was to draft Waiters at 7 & he wasn't even a first round pick at midseason.

I was with you until this. Beal was a consensus lottery prospect from the beginning of his freshman season.