Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

[nomansland]

Denver could offer a package of Faried, Chandler, 2014 1st round pick (11), 2016 Knicks 1st round pick if Love agreed to an extension. With how Faried played the second half of the year (18.8ppg and 10.1rpg after the All Star Break), he could be a solid replacement for the Wolves. The Nuggets would probably prefer Chandler, but if necessary, I would imagine that Gallo could replace Chandler.

That's pretty much the deal I was thinking of, but I'd offer Joffrey instead of the Knicks 2016 pick.

[Leto]

All lotto picks are unproven. So, that's not really an argument.

All picks are unproven... so by your logic does this mean the 1st and 30th picks have similar value? Of course not.

No, an expiring contract does not require extra picks if you're taking back longer term salary.

Pieces in the deal effect the value, yes we see expring contracts added to make the $ work but in this case its not a few million, its a signficant cost and there are other options avaiable to make the $ work that would provide more value and fit.

I'm not suggesting you have to agree to the package, but it is far from a "bad deal."
Further, what I was suggesting is that it may be all the Bulls can offer you. You may find Boston and others have more favorable deals.

If that's all the Bulls can offer they are barking up the wrong tree, it wouldn't take much for a deal to offer greater value.

I did not say picks 1 and 30 are the same.

I'd say if you get a better deal, you should take it. But if you can't, it's not a bad deal.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I'd think Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + 2 1st round picks is pretty good value from the Bulls.

[Leto]

I'd think Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + 2 1st round picks is pretty good value from the Bulls.

I think that's over paying--by a large margin.

[patrol345]

How about a three team deal between Minny,GSW, Denver

Timberwolves out: Kevin Love
Timberwolves in: Denver's 2014 number 11, Harrison Barnes, GSW 2015 1st, Draymond Green

would be a nice return of young players and picks for their star, possibly nuggets need to add more in this package, possibly fournier or quincy miller.

Nuggets out: 2014 number 11, wilson chandler
nuggets in: Klay thompson

Nuggets get their starting Shooting guard for years as he is a restricted free agent after this year

Golden State out: Klay thompson, Harrison Barnes, 2015 1st, draymond green
Golden State in: Kevin Love, Wilson chandler

Gives golden state gets a nice defender to play the 3 while iggy plays the 2 in chandler, and the obvious prize of kevin love also.

[verbal8]

How about a three team deal between Minny,GSW, Denver

Timberwolves out: Kevin Love
Timberwolves in: Denver's 2014 number 11, Harrison Barnes, GSW 2015 1st, Draymond Green

would be a nice return of young players and picks for their star, possibly nuggets need to add more in this package, possibly fournier or quincy miller.

Nuggets out: 2014 number 11, wilson chandler
nuggets in: Klay thompson

Nuggets get their starting Shooting guard for years as he is a restricted free agent after this year

Golden State out: Klay thompson, Harrison Barnes, 2015 1st, draymond green
Golden State in: Kevin Love, Wilson chandler

Gives golden state gets a nice defender to play the 3 while iggy plays the 2 in chandler, and the obvious prize of kevin love also.

That isn't anywhere close to matching salary-wise. GSW is taking on way to much salary(even using a TPE on Chandler).

[sportscrazy]

Gibson, Dunleavy and tons of draft picks for Kevin Love
Bulls amnesty Boozer
Bulls sign Luol Deng back

Noah
Love
Deng
Butler
Rose

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I'd think Gibson + Butler + Mirotic + 2 1st round picks is pretty good value from the Bulls.

I think that's over paying--by a large margin.

Probably. I'd say pick 2 out of the 3 players and 1 one of the picks and the sacramento pick.

[mysticbb]

Expirings and cap space have less value in Minny (what free agents are they realistically going to attract?) and those picks are underwhelming. Boston can easily beat that with the #5 + Sully + filler/future picks.

The point is not expiring and capspace, but getting a lottery talent in Mirotic as well as another lottery pick in this draft. Additionally the Timberwolves would get another mid-1st rounder and a future pick. Then, we might add the $6m to compensate for a part of Boozer's salary (who might even be willing to agree to a buyout for less money) and the possibilty to get rid of an unwanted player for nothing. Well, Ronnie Brewer on a minimum contract might even be interesting as a player for the Timberwolves.

So, the whole offer depends essentially on two things: Mirotic makes it clear that he would play for the Timberwolves for a reasonable price! And the Bulls are able to use the Kings 2015 pick to upgrade a current mid 1st to a lottery pick (obviously after the lottery has happened). Those two things would be the key here.

And sorry, but the Celtics #5 isn't worth more than Mirotic alone. There is also the fact that Love would very, very likely not agree to an extension. Thus, giving up future assets for a bad team like the Celtics for someone like Love, might end up similar as the Howard trade ended up for the Lakers. The Celtics missing the playoffs and Love will leave in 2015. The Bulls would have a good team in place already, and would add Love to that. If reasonable healthy, they will very likely contend for a title. That lowers the risk of Love leaving after next season considerably, therefore they should more willing to use future assets than other teams.

[Xman]

The biggest problem will be a commitment from KLove to stay if you trade for him. I think he only considers his hometown (LAL) and teams set to win it all.

That probably will not happen for Cleveland, etc. Really kind of sucks for Minny that KLove will not commit to CLE - good matchup for trading.

So, looking at GS, LAL, Bulls, Rox, Nets and Knicks (Miami also).
But - due to mortgaging futures - LAL, Knicks, Nets, GS and Miami do not have much in picks to offer. For LAL, this year, AFTER the draft, they could trade whoever they pick.

Now - mix in what Minny Should want:
1 - hope (whether a young player or a high draft pick)
2 - salary relief (mainly KMart - but others also)

If KLove goes, then Rubio and Dieng will be the core pieces. Shabazz and Brewer could stay. The rest are not really worth what they are paid - shipping out Pek for something would be nice.

I think the simple easy solution will be what happens: Whoever LAL picks in lotto for KLove, Barea, Budinger and Moute. LAL would probably like to get Pekovic too - which could happen if Minny cannot get a decent offer for him.
- Salary relief and a young stud to build around - might be best package available from teams he will consider.

Rox are a wild card. They only have so much to offer and would be willing to offer it all - except possibly Parsons. The problem here is that other teams over bid any non-Parsons offer.
Motie, TJones, Asik, Lin, #25 and a couple of future #1s are pretty much on the table for any stud. Parsons and/or PBeverly or needed so not so available. Still, CBrewer and Budinger bring options at the sf slot.
KLove, Budinger, CBrewer for Lin, Asik, Motie(or TJones), Parsons, Canaan, Covington, #25, #1s in 2016 and 2018 - top 5 protection that changes it to a 2nd if it is top 5).
- this would leave Rox with the Brewer/budinger combo at sf - which is not as good as Parsons but should be acceptable. PBev at pg and sf would be weak - but strength of Howard/KLove/Harden make it up. For Minny, picks for the future and some talent to win now. Only works if Minny can somehow turn Asik and Pekovic into other assets they want (which would leave them Rubio with a cheap Parson/Dieng combo and Shabazz to build around). All in all - even with Parsons, I doubt this one beats the LAL offer. But, I do not think the others will compare to this one - out of teams he will consider (Miami, Nets, Knicks, GS, Bulls) (for example - I think this offer is better than the one Bulls fans rejected above as overpay - Gibson+Miro+Butler+2 #1s).

Sadly, I see LAL in his future.

[jbk1234]

How about a three team deal between Minny,GSW, Denver

Timberwolves out: Kevin Love
Timberwolves in: Denver's 2014 number 11, Harrison Barnes, GSW 2015 1st, Draymond Green

would be a nice return of young players and picks for their star, possibly nuggets need to add more in this package, possibly fournier or quincy miller.

Nuggets out: 2014 number 11, wilson chandler
nuggets in: Klay thompson

Nuggets get their starting Shooting guard for years as he is a restricted free agent after this year

Golden State out: Klay thompson, Harrison Barnes, 2015 1st, draymond green
Golden State in: Kevin Love, Wilson chandler

Gives golden state gets a nice defender to play the 3 while iggy plays the 2 in chandler, and the obvious prize of kevin love also.

The first question Minny asks is if we are giving up the best asset, why is Denver getting the second best asset?

[Xman]

Forgot about LAC.
Griffin for KLove has been out there so much - but kind of makes sense.

Griffin+Jordan+JCrawford+2017 and 2019 #1s for Pekovic+KLove+KMart+Budinger.

Works for both teams. Actually makes LAC scary good. Paul/KMart/Budinger/KLove/Pekovic.
After typing the line above - I realized it would be Minny with CPaul. Shows how good he is - and making me wonder why Minny was not better this year.

[jbk1234]

Forgot about LAC.
Griffin for KLove has been out there so much - but kind of makes sense.

Griffin+Jordan+JCrawford+2017 and 2019 #1s for Pekovic+KLove+KMart+Budinger.

Works for both teams. Actually makes LAC scary good. Paul/KMart/Budinger/KLove/Pekovic.
After typing the line above - I realized it would be Minny with CPaul. Shows how good he is - and making me wonder why Minny was not better this year.

Does Love commit to re-signing with LAC if the Sterlings have the ouster tied up in litigation - I think not. The Clippers should not be trading those picks until the Sterling situation is resolved.

[spree8]

Just my 2 cents
With the way Minnesota is built, what would be best for them IMHO is a very good defensive PF (Ibaka/Horford type) and a couple of young assets (picks, players) coming back as well.

So a 3 team deal with the pick going to Atlanta from Boston with Horford/Green/something to Minnesota (and Budinger/Love to Boston). Or Ibaka, Lamb, pick for Love from OKC. Fill out the rest of the deals, but I think Atlanta should rebuild and Minnesota would be just fine having Horford/Pekovic as the front line for the next 6 years. I also think OKC would kill to have Love/Durant/Westbrook and defensive fillers.

That's what makes sense to me.

But whatevs, do what you guys want.

Like I told you both I would do....I told you this day would come.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Forgot about LAC.
Griffin for KLove has been out there so much - but kind of makes sense.

Griffin+Jordan+JCrawford+2017 and 2019 #1s for Pekovic+KLove+KMart+Budinger.

Works for both teams. Actually makes LAC scary good. Paul/KMart/Budinger/KLove/Pekovic.
After typing the line above - I realized it would be Minny with CPaul. Shows how good he is - and making me wonder why Minny was not better this year.

Forget the fact thatLAC wouldn't touch this. Why would they want to swap their better role players for Minnys, who obviously couldnt help them get to the playoffs. Really, why? How bad would that defense be for LAC?

[Mattya]

Just my 2 cents
With the way Minnesota is built, what would be best for them IMHO is a very good defensive PF (Ibaka/Horford type) and a couple of young assets (picks, players) coming back as well.

So a 3 team deal with the pick going to Atlanta from Boston with Horford/Green/something to Minnesota (and Budinger/Love to Boston). Or Ibaka, Lamb, pick for Love from OKC. Fill out the rest of the deals, but I think Atlanta should rebuild and Minnesota would be just fine having Horford/Pekovic as the front line for the next 6 years. I also think OKC would kill to have Love/Durant/Westbrook and defensive fillers.

That's what makes sense to me.

But whatevs, do what you guys want.

Like I told you both I would do....I told you this day would come.

Told us what? That Kevin Love may be traded. Never denied that. Keep patting yourself on the back for stating the obvious.

[spree8]

Just my 2 cents
With the way Minnesota is built, what would be best for them IMHO is a very good defensive PF (Ibaka/Horford type) and a couple of young assets (picks, players) coming back as well.

So a 3 team deal with the pick going to Atlanta from Boston with Horford/Green/something to Minnesota (and Budinger/Love to Boston). Or Ibaka, Lamb, pick for Love from OKC. Fill out the rest of the deals, but I think Atlanta should rebuild and Minnesota would be just fine having Horford/Pekovic as the front line for the next 6 years. I also think OKC would kill to have Love/Durant/Westbrook and defensive fillers.

That's what makes sense to me.

But whatevs, do what you guys want.

Like I told you both I would do....I told you this day would come.

Told us what? That Kevin Love may be traded. Never denied that. Keep patting yourself on the back for stating the obvious.

Oh it was obvious to many...apparently not you...and especially not Narf.

[rugbyrugger23]

Wolves Trade: Love + Martin + Budinger
Wolves Receive: Klay + TT + AV

GSW Trade: Lee + Klay + Barnes
GSW Receive: Love + Martin + Jack

Cavs Trade: TT + Jack + AV
Cavs Receive: Lee + Barnes + Budinger

[Mattya]

Like I told you both I would do....I told you this day would come.

Told us what? That Kevin Love may be traded. Never denied that. Keep patting yourself on the back for stating the obvious.

Oh it was obvious to many...apparently not you...and especially not Narf.

Quote me to where I said that Kevin Love would never leave Minnesota. Prove yourself.

[spree8]

Told us what? That Kevin Love may be traded. Never denied that. Keep patting yourself on the back for stating the obvious.

Oh it was obvious to many...apparently not you...and especially not Narf.

Quote me to where I said that Kevin Love would never leave Minnesota. Prove yourself.

Can't thread was locked. Cya