Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

[rugbyrugger23]

GSW will not include Klay Thompson. They lose too much offense AND defense.

Then they won't get Love. And, honestly, I'm not sure they get Love even with Thompson. Neither Thompson (sub-15 PER) nor Barnes (sub-10 PER) are good enough to justify having to take back Lee's contract.

What worries me about Thompson: by making him a centerpiece and convincing him to go from winning in California to freezing his nuts off for a non playoff team, you're probably committing to having to pay him way over market value.

That has no merit what so ever. Klay's day Mychal Thompson is from Bahams but was able to shine at UofM to the tune of #1 overall pick and still has strong MN ties. Mychal is Klay's manager and father, so if anything, this can be seen as an asset for MN.

Biggest worry for Wolves with any Klay trade, is he has never been #1 option...or better said, option 1A. If traded to Wolves, next to Rubio, he wouldn't have Curry to lighten the scoring load or dilute the D. He quite possibly could regress as a volume scorer and the center piece in Love trade becomes a bust of some sorts.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Then they won't get Love. And, honestly, I'm not sure they get Love even with Thompson. Neither Thompson (sub-15 PER) nor Barnes (sub-10 PER) are good enough to justify having to take back Lee's contract.

What worries me about Thompson: by making him a centerpiece and convincing him to go from winning in California to freezing his nuts off for a non playoff team, you're probably committing to having to pay him way over market value.

That has no merit what so ever. Klay's day Mychal Thompson is from Bahams but was able to shine at UofM to the tune of #1 overall pick and still has strong MN ties. Mychal is Klay's manager and father, so if anything, this can be seen as an asset for MN.

Biggest worry for Wolves with any Klay trade, is he has never been #1 option...or better said, option 1A. If traded to Wolves, next to Rubio, he wouldn't have Curry to lighten the scoring load or dilute the D. He quite possibly could regress as a volume scorer and the center piece in Love trade becomes a bust of some sorts.

I'm 99% confident i'm right and you're wrong, but agree to disagree

[rugbyrugger23]

What worries me about Thompson: by making him a centerpiece and convincing him to go from winning in California to freezing his nuts off for a non playoff team, you're probably committing to having to pay him way over market value.

That has no merit what so ever. Klay's day Mychal Thompson is from Bahams but was able to shine at UofM to the tune of #1 overall pick and still has strong MN ties. Mychal is Klay's manager and father, so if anything, this can be seen as an asset for MN.

Biggest worry for Wolves with any Klay trade, is he has never been #1 option...or better said, option 1A. If traded to Wolves, next to Rubio, he wouldn't have Curry to lighten the scoring load or dilute the D. He quite possibly could regress as a volume scorer and the center piece in Love trade becomes a bust of some sorts.

I'm 99% confident i'm right and you're wrong, but agree to disagree

Than list some deductive reasoning other than your wild opinion. I just gave you many solid points why your speculation is way off basis.

To add my own wild opinion to my point of view...Klay is ready to prove himself outside Curry's shadow...MN next to Rubio is perfect proving ground as a team with Alpha scoring dog available.

[RoyalMajesty]

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Warriors 2016 1st Round Pick

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Harrison Barnes, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Raptors: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Raptors: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

[clippertown]

^^ only about a third of that made any sense.

Would you like me to dumb it down for you? What exactly does not make sense?

Because even as a rental with zero chance of resigning him, that offer will be trumped?

I don't agree with this statement, but I respect your opinion. DJ has significant value as does JCraw. We have picks and a variety of mid-level assets in Barnes, Collison (S&T) and Dudley. It may not be a superstar offer, but these assets have very real positive value to a variety of teams.

If KLove states that we will only extend for a big market team or a contending team (that is still a contender once the trade has been completed), then the list of viable trade partners diminishes quickly. For a guy that has spent his entire career in the lottery, I just can't see him voluntarily signing with a current lottery team. If he went so far as to indicate that he will still become a free agent (eg. D Howard last year), then a one year rental has almost zero value to a developing team.

As a typical Clipper homer, I guess I am overestimating the value of the real defensive player of the year and actual sixth man of the year. It happens.

[loserX]

What are the Clippers going to do with Love and Griffin? What do the Wolves want with DAJ when they already have two centres? They'd have to make another trade just to unscrew this one. I don't even understand the premise of the trade.

[irie]

Would you like me to dumb it down for you? What exactly does not make sense?

Because even as a rental with zero chance of resigning him, that offer will be trumped?

I don't agree with this statement, but I respect your opinion. DJ has significant value as does JCraw. We have picks and a variety of mid-level assets in Barnes, Collison (S&T) and Dudley. It may not be a superstar offer, but these assets have very real positive value to a variety of teams.

If KLove states that we will only extend for a big market team or a contending team (that is still a contender once the trade has been completed), then the list of viable trade partners diminishes quickly. For a guy that has spent his entire career in the lottery, I just can't see him voluntarily signing with a current lottery team. If he went so far as to indicate that he will still become a free agent (eg. D Howard last year), then a one year rental has almost zero value to a developing team.

As a typical Clipper homer, I guess I am overestimating the value of the real defensive player of the year and actual sixth man of the year. It happens.

Love hasn't stated that though. So, as it stands with what we know, Jordan + Crawford is a lowball offer and not close to Love's value and doesn't match up to the other offers being put forth. You can speculate if you want but that's just an endless circle of conjecture. What's the point in that?

[clippertown]

What are the Clippers going to do with Love and Griffin? What do the Wolves want with DAJ when they already have two centres? They'd have to make another trade just to unscrew this one. I don't even understand the premise of the trade.

The Clippers got beaten by Oklahoma as they were unable to handle small ball. KLove and Griffin would actually complement each others style of play IMO. Its not ideal, but the traditional lineups involving bigmen are changing. Plus Love would resign and that would make it much easier to unload him down the track if the experiment does not work. All we know is that DJ and Griffin wont win a championship.

Minnesota would have either DJ or Pekovich to trade for additional assets. Both players could generate significant interest from teams in need of some legitimate size.

Nobody is suggesting that this is a perfect trade - only that DJ and JCraw are probably better assets that most of the offers the TWolves are likely to get (unless GSW gives up Thompson, Barnes and Lee).

[clippertown]

Because even as a rental with zero chance of resigning him, that offer will be trumped?

I don't agree with this statement, but I respect your opinion. DJ has significant value as does JCraw. We have picks and a variety of mid-level assets in Barnes, Collison (S&T) and Dudley. It may not be a superstar offer, but these assets have very real positive value to a variety of teams.

If KLove states that we will only extend for a big market team or a contending team (that is still a contender once the trade has been completed), then the list of viable trade partners diminishes quickly. For a guy that has spent his entire career in the lottery, I just can't see him voluntarily signing with a current lottery team. If he went so far as to indicate that he will still become a free agent (eg. D Howard last year), then a one year rental has almost zero value to a developing team.

As a typical Clipper homer, I guess I am overestimating the value of the real defensive player of the year and actual sixth man of the year. It happens.

Love hasn't stated that though. So, as it stands with what we know, Jordan + Crawford is a lowball offer and not close to Love's value and doesn't match up to the other offers being put forth. You can speculate if you want but that's just an endless circle of conjecture. What's the point in that?

Its a fair statement, but I will continue to believe that KLove wants to play with a contender and a big market team. If not, then why leave Minnesota? They have a great team that just missed the playoffs and he can get much more money from them. Almost every superstar I can think of that actually became a true free agent has followed that model in recent years. Plus Love grew up in Santa Monica and his family are all here. That plays a big part.

[irie]

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Warriors 2016 1st Round Pick

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Harrison Barnes, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Raptors: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Raptors: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

Can the Warriors come up with any offers other than David Lee as the centerpiece? I don't think any Wolves fans have expressed interest in him being the centerpiece of a trade involving the Warriors, yet all the Warriors fans in this thread have put him as such. There must be some other trade that can be worked out.

[HartfordWhalers]

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Warriors 2016 1st Round Pick

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Harrison Barnes, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Harrison Barnes

Raptors: Andre Iguodala

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

OR

Warriors: Kevin Love

Cavaliers: Andre Iguodala

Raptors: Harrison Barnes

Timberwolves: David Lee, Cavaliers 2014 1st Round Pick #9, Raptors 2014 1st Round Pick #20

Can the Warriors come up with any offers other than David Lee as the centerpiece? I don't think any Wolves fans have expressed interest in him being the centerpiece of a trade involving the Warriors, yet all the Warriors fans in this thread have put him as such. There must be some other trade that can be worked out.

Lee to NOP for Gordon (and RIvers?). Gordon is a better gamble for Minn, and Lee might be a better fit then Gordon?

[Howard Cosell]

Bass (expiring)
Bogan (Non Guaranteed)
Sullinger
Boston 2014 1st Round Pick 5th Overall
Boston 2016 (BKN) 1st Round Pick

for

Kevin Love



Boston keeps enough of its core for Love to want to resign with the Celtics - Rondo - Olynyk - Bradley - Green

Flip gets coverage at the 4 spot with Sullinger and Bass while going for a possible Exum with Boston's pick.

Flip is not going to get known assets in this trade because Love will not go to a team with its core ripped out.

Flip can get picks from the Celtics.....and enough value back at the "4" to make this deal the best of all of them.

Chicago giving Gibson up + 16th & 17th is a close second but it doesn't quite work out because of the ? around Mirotic wanting to play with the Twolves.

[eltercero]

Can Minnesota fans please stop acting like it will take multiple all-star caliber players in order to make a deal for Love? I'm a Cavs fan and even I wouldn't trade Beal straight up for Love (in reference to the proposed trade that involves a package including Beal). Love has one year and then he's an unrestricted free agent, meaning next summer he's bolting to the Lakers. Why on earth would the Wizards trade a 20 year old future All-Star who will most likely remain with the team for at least another 5 years in exchange for a one year rental of Love, who as good as he is on offense is still an atrocious defender (not to mention the fact that he hasn't made the playoffs once in his 6 year career). I'm sorry for the rant but personally I feel like Love is being massively overrated regarding his trade value.

[The Rebel]

I don't agree with this statement, but I respect your opinion. DJ has significant value as does JCraw. We have picks and a variety of mid-level assets in Barnes, Collison (S&T) and Dudley. It may not be a superstar offer, but these assets have very real positive value to a variety of teams.

If KLove states that we will only extend for a big market team or a contending team (that is still a contender once the trade has been completed), then the list of viable trade partners diminishes quickly. For a guy that has spent his entire career in the lottery, I just can't see him voluntarily signing with a current lottery team. If he went so far as to indicate that he will still become a free agent (eg. D Howard last year), then a one year rental has almost zero value to a developing team.

As a typical Clipper homer, I guess I am overestimating the value of the real defensive player of the year and actual sixth man of the year. It happens.

Love hasn't stated that though. So, as it stands with what we know, Jordan + Crawford is a lowball offer and not close to Love's value and doesn't match up to the other offers being put forth. You can speculate if you want but that's just an endless circle of conjecture. What's the point in that?

Its a fair statement, but I will continue to believe that KLove wants to play with a contender and a big market team. If not, then why leave Minnesota? They have a great team that just missed the playoffs and he can get much more money from them. Almost every superstar I can think of that actually became a true free agent has followed that model in recent years. Plus Love grew up in Santa Monica and his family are all here. That plays a big part.

I would not call the Twovles a great team, they have spent years rebuilding with love having 0 appearances in the playoffs over the last 6 years. This year was supposed to be their big push into the playoffs, they went out and got Kevin Martin, Corey Brewer, they resigned Pekovic to a big contract, and than they missed the playoffs by 9 games. To top it off they lost a very good coach, to be honest I could see why Love wants out.

however after the Melo drama and the Howard mess, I have learned that this is still early in the process. My guess is we will not know who Love is willing to go to and where he is not wanting to go until more rumors hit over the next few days if not weeks. For minny fans they should be hoping that it is a contender, or at least Love has more than 2 or 3 teams on his list, 2 or 3 teams and you could be in trouble, unless of course you find a team like the Nets would had assets and were more than willing to offer full price for Melo just to make the Knicks pay up.

[AQuintus]

Lee to NOP for Gordon (and RIvers?). Gordon is a better gamble for Minn, and Lee might be a better fit then Gordon?

In a trade for Love? Is this a joke?

[AQuintus]

Can Minnesota fans please stop acting like it will take multiple all-star caliber players in order to make a deal for Love?

We will as soon as you and others stop acting like he's some kind of scrub that you can get for your castaways.

It's not like this kind of situation is without precedent. The team trading away the star has always received good value coming back regardless of the star's contract situation.

[Devilzsidewalk]

That has no merit what so ever. Klay's day Mychal Thompson is from Bahams but was able to shine at UofM to the tune of #1 overall pick and still has strong MN ties. Mychal is Klay's manager and father, so if anything, this can be seen as an asset for MN.

Biggest worry for Wolves with any Klay trade, is he has never been #1 option...or better said, option 1A. If traded to Wolves, next to Rubio, he wouldn't have Curry to lighten the scoring load or dilute the D. He quite possibly could regress as a volume scorer and the center piece in Love trade becomes a bust of some sorts.

I'm 99% confident i'm right and you're wrong, but agree to disagree

Than list some deductive reasoning other than your wild opinion. I just gave you many solid points why your speculation is way off basis.

To add my own wild opinion to my point of view...Klay is ready to prove himself outside Curry's shadow...MN next to Rubio is perfect proving ground as a team with Alpha scoring dog available.

I'm saying Klay moving from a winning team in California to a losing team in MInnesota would have to be made up with a lot of money and you're saying no because his dad played for the Gophers 40 years ago. If the Wolves want Klay Thompson, they need to pay him lots of money. Since you think his dad is so influential, I'll use him as my deductive reasoning:

I love Minneapolis but if you had a choice between Minneapolis and L.A. and the money was equal, I mean you have to consider the weather and tradition and a chance for championships.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/03/0 ... -thompson/

[Trader_Joe]

Unless the Clippers part with Griffin, they have no chance at Love. (Or Paul but that isn't happening)
I think these two are as evenly matched as two PFs can be, but the Clippers continue to dissapoint in the playoffs, so it might be worth the risk. Griffin would be by far the best offer by any team IMO, so maybe Minny even offers slightly more. Griffin/Rubio would be the most exciting duo in the NBA and compliment each other very well.

[irie]

Can Minnesota fans please stop acting like it will take multiple all-star caliber players in order to make a deal for Love? I'm a Cavs fan and even I wouldn't trade Beal straight up for Love (in reference to the proposed trade that involves a package including Beal). Love has one year and then he's an unrestricted free agent, meaning next summer he's bolting to the Lakers. Why on earth would the Wizards trade a 20 year old future All-Star who will most likely remain with the team for at least another 5 years in exchange for a one year rental of Love, who as good as he is on offense is still an atrocious defender (not to mention the fact that he hasn't made the playoffs once in his 6 year career). I'm sorry for the rant but personally I feel like Love is being massively overrated regarding his trade value.

Is it Minny fans giving him that kind of value? Look over the first post and see what kind of value other teams' fans are offering up for Love. Celtics offering Sullinger + flexibility (unguaranteed deals, TE) + a high lotto pick + potentially another first round pick is probably the best value there. That's not multiple all-star caliber players, and I certainly don't see any Wolves fans saying that's poor return for him. I think they've been very realistic throughout this thread. The only poor return that has been suggested are the blatantly lowball offers claiming things like "leverage," or "rental." Both of those are pretty irrelevant and hyperbolic statements trying to prop up poor offers over ones with inherently more value, as any team trading for him plans on keeping him, and given how many offers will be out there the Wolves have plenty of leeway in these deals.

[Trader_Joe]

I'm 99% confident i'm right and you're wrong, but agree to disagree

Than list some deductive reasoning other than your wild opinion. I just gave you many solid points why your speculation is way off basis.

To add my own wild opinion to my point of view...Klay is ready to prove himself outside Curry's shadow...MN is perfect proving ground as a team with Alpha scoring dog available.

I'm saying Klay moving from a winning team in California to a losing team in MInnesota would have to be made up with a lot of money and you're saying no because his dad played for the Gophers 40 years ago. If the Wolves want Klay Thompson, they need to pay him lots of money. Since you think his dad is so influential, I'll use him as my deductive reasoning:

I love Minneapolis but if you had a choice between Minneapolis and L.A. and the money was equal, I mean you have to consider the weather and tradition and a chance for championships.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/03/0 ... -thompson/

He's restricted though so the market can and would have set the value anyway in GS.
IMO he is one of the best singular assets after
Top 3 pick from Boston or LA if they move up
Beal if Washington is in the bidding
I would aim for Lee (routed eslwehere is possible..if not he's an AS caliber PF with only two years), Klay and Barnes/D.Green