Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

[Klomp]

On behalf of Blazer fans, I can tell you Wolves fans that we feel your pain. Get ready to have Bulls fans trying to pawn off this crappy package for Love all.... summer.... long. That's what they did all last summer with Aldridge and it looks like they're picking up right where they left off.

So its come to this, our biggest rivals are empathizing for us

[Streakers33]

#1341 Re: Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread
Today 9:37 am by jcsunsfan
The Suns have been wanting Love for a long time but there just always seem to be obstacles. Just interested in your input.

1. Would Love actually WANT to be in Phoenix. If not, its a deal-breaker?
2. Would it be possible to trade for him without gutting the team? There is no point in making a trade that leaves your team worse than when you started.
3. I think the Suns would put any asset they have on the table except Bledsoe and Dragic.

Suns ad an interesting element. They have the space to actually soak up loves contract giving the wolves space.
Wolves want a starter quality back so would want dragic and two picks this year and lakers next year.
To take out dragic would suns add their third first rounder this year and their first next year.
Puts the wolves in rebuild.
So #14,#18,#27 and two next year for love? Does just picks scare people ?

[Streakers33]

Also with the way flip has been so far with trades on draft day.
Teams are looking for asik. So get parsons and picks from Houston. And they find a third team with a lotto pick to take asik and send us another pick.
So make Houston give up two first rounders and parsons. And then team three gives us a quality player and a later pick or two. Or a player and a lotto pick.
Maybe we can use Houston's want for love to actually stifle two quality players and 2-4 picks.
I'll have to troll a lil. But who needs a center like asik. ??

[Streakers33]

Orlando #3 & #12 and AA for love ? Would they seriously wanna speed up their rebuild in a bad east?

[NBAexec]

Two very definitive statements about things you can't possibly know. But as long as we're making definitive statements: "Well you won't get a better player than Alexey Shved at the 9th pick." So you might as well give us the 9th pick for Alexey Shved.


The reason you don't see it is because you're a Cavs Homer. Enlightened?

Edit:

Sorry, that wasn't very fair.

1) 5 >>> 9. After about the 6th or 7th pick, this draft falls off hard.

2) Sullinger > Thompson. Both are no more than backup PFs, but Sullinger is paid less over the next few years.

3) Future pick from Brooklyn (possibly) > Nothing

4) Expirings >>> Non-expirings

5) Taking back our "bad salary" >>> Not taking back our bad salary

6) Nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bennett. He's a horrible player getting paid number 1 overall money for the next few years.

7) 2015 Memphis pick = irrelevant. A late teens, early 20s pick a year from now has very little value.

8) Varejao = bad fit. There's no room for him in the rotation with Pek and Dieng already here. He's paid a ton, is too old for a rebuilding roster, and is constantly injured

9) Dion Waiter. The deal really, really hinges on how highly we think of Waiters. If we think he's a future star, it's a solid deal. If, however, you don't, it's a bad deal. I don't. 2 years of sub-15 PER. 2 years of unacceptably bad TS% (.492 and .508). Below average assists and rebounds per-36. Low FTA/FGA. Bad defense. Low WS/48. The guy is just a mediocre 6th man type at best. Not worth it.

Edit 2:

And even with Waiters post-break "surge" in production, he still only had a terrible 1.17 points per FGA (1.09 pre-break) and was still well below average at passing and rebounding.

Well Shved isn't that good so we would get someone much better at 9 .

Outside of the top 3, there is a big gap in the quality of players. Anyone from 4 to basically 14 could be just as good as each other. Sure, the 5th pick is a better pick by virtue, but not that much more valuable than 9 when you consider the following. You guys are pretty set at PG, so I'm guessing you won't be interested in Exum or Smart, at least one of which could be available at the 5th spot. After that, you have Randle, Vonleh, Gordon, or McDermott, any of which could fall to the 9th spot depending on how the draft shakes out. So I guess at the 5th spot you have the luxury of taking your pick of those, but which ever ones are available at the 9th spot will be just as good, if not better depending on how they turn out. The 5th spot doesn't contain no Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid type player. So you are willing to take that 5th pick and Sullinger, and that is enough for Love?

Like I said before, if the Celtics (or any team) gets a top 3 pick and offers you that for Love, you take that deal and don't blink twice. That would be the better offer. I even said that in my original post if you would have bothered to read it. However, I don't see why any team would trade a top 3 pick for Love. I would rather have Wiggins or Parker. Embiid is a toss up because of some questions marks along with injuries, I might trade Embiid for Love.

Now to address the rest of this post. I'm glad you took the time to respond. However, perhaps you are the homer considering it is pretty ignorant to literally try to disapprove of every single asset the Cavs have, when in reality there is a ton of good value and better than 90% of the offers teams can give. I would say the best offer, but perhaps the Warriors or Suns could give better offers in other people's eyes but I guess that is all a matter of opinion. To say the entire offer sucks and every asset is useless is just stupid.

Okay, so you think Sullinger is better than Thompson. Fair enough, I won't argue to much. The value is somewhat close though. A "possible" future pick from Brooklyn against "nothing" the Cavs can offer. Well we do have the Memphis pick, and saying that is useless is dumb. Memphis just fired management and is looking to rebuild, so I doubt they would make the playoffs and that pick could be a lottery pick, or mid-teens at the highest. Also, the Miami pick for 2015 is on the table, and could be valuable if LeBron leaves.

And if you bothered to read, Varejao is an expiring and non-guaranteed at that. If you really care about expirings that much, you can have him but I doubt expirings mean much in a trade for Love. You need actual value. Expirings have value if you could use them to swing for a trade, and who would Minnesota trade for? Likely nobody, because they won't stick around and will leave in free agency at first chance like Love is. Which nobody is going to want to sign in free agency, so getting young players and the draft is important.

With Dion Waiters, I'm assuming you don't watch any other teams because you pulled out some useless stats to base your argument about him on. I'm not saying he is perfect because he is young and can grow even more, but he is a dang good player. He doesn't play that well with Kyrie because Kyrie isn't a passer and they are both scorers, but he still managed to get 16 points on 30 minutes of play. You put him with a passer like Rubio and bump him up to 35-39 minutes a game and he is easily averaging 20+. He has the physical tools and size to be good at defense, unlike Kyrie and many other guards. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think the Wolves could use a scorer who is a playmaker and can create his own shot off the dribble who is quick, athletic, and explosive because the Wolves really don't have that right now. They have Rubio, who is pass first and not a scorer, and they have Kevin Martin who is primarily catch and shoot. The Cavs would hate to give up Dion, but it is what makes our offer extra competitive.

And on Bennett. I guess you just have something personal against him or like to go with the crowd on the "bust" label because he hasn't lived up to the #1 pick status, but he still has great value because of his potential and he won't "suck" at the end of the day. I doubt he will be a star, but he will be a very solid player or better given the right opportunity. If he actually plays under a decent coach, and in a system that fits him where he can get some decent playing time and develop, look out. I have no doubt in my mind you no nothing about him. I think most NBA GM's with a brain understand the value he has and the potential he has, so I guess thank God you aren't the GM of the Timberwolves or they would be in trouble .

Bottom line, if you get a team that is wililng to trade a top 3 pick to you for Love, that is what you should do. Is there any teams willing to do that? I doubt it, but you never know. I think the Suns could offer the best deal if they are willing to give up Plumlee, plus a couple other young players and all 4 of their first round picks (even though they aren't high in the lottery). The Suns could make a great offer, not sure they would do it. Warriors could be decent if you put alot of value on Klay Thompson, but he isn't that much better than Dion and Dion has more potential. Klay is also a big product of the system he is in, although I do love his game. After that, the Cavs can offer up a dang good trade, and it is pretty ignorant to say it is complete garbage.

[Takingbaconback]

Wow dion waiters is almost as good as klay thompson? Waiters has a higher ceiling? Sorry but you just ruined your credibility when it comes to evaluating players. Or you are the biggest homer in the world lol

Best deal for Minny is Thompson and Lee. In fact trading Pek away and starting Dieng and drafting at 13 would make a better team than this year. Martin could be moved or relegated to 6th man off the bench but I doubt he would embrace that role.

[MinneOOPalis]

Klay Thompson is a streaky Kyle Korver with better defense. Way over hyped.

[ChokeFasncists]

Asik + cash to Atl
Shabazz + Hummel + Shved + Minny pick + cash to Atl
Millsap to Min
Harden to Min
Love and KMart to Hou
DMC to Hou

To simplify:

What do you guys think about:

Love, KMart, Shabazz, Shved, Minny pick, (Hummel + cash)
for
Millsap and Harden

?

[Feilong]

To simplify:

What do you guys think about:

Love, KMart, Shabazz, Shved, Minny pick, (Hummel + cash)
for
Millsap and Harden

?

If Love=Harden
then Martin + Bazz + Shved + Pick + cash = expiring contract of Millsap? Are you kidding?

[minimus]

Wow dion waiters is almost as good as klay thompson? Waiters has a higher ceiling? Sorry but you just ruined your credibility when it comes to evaluating players. Or you are the biggest homer in the world lol

Best deal for Minny is Thompson and Lee. In fact trading Pek away and starting Dieng and drafting at 13 would make a better team than this year. Martin could be moved or relegated to 6th man off the bench but I doubt he would embrace that role.

I like Klay Thompson shooting effiency. However he has been developing in good environment, can't say this about Waiters. So Klay Thompson is more developed at the moment, and he fits perfectly with Rubio. Waiters is different type of player, he is more shot creator, he is more aggresive, creative. So just need to understand what we need more: good shooter or creative scorer.

[NaturalBuns]

I really do think in terms off pure assets PHX has the most to offer.
Warriors are giving you Lee,Barnes,1st?
Lee is 31 love is 25. How does that work you trade to get older? Barnes is avging less then 10ppg for his 3year career and that's what you want for love?
I think any warrior fan thinking not adding klay is delusional.


chi is in the same boat remember reports came out that warriors and bulls almost did a Barnes for butler trade.
So roughly that's the value of butler and now instead of lee it's taj? By the time season starts he will be 29. Again tell me how love age 25 to taj 29 seems logical and smart? They would give you rights to thatt European player but that's about it.

Now if Boston or LA are willing to give its first For love (top 5) then you strongly gotta consider that as the best option but the risk is also enormous.

Lastly PHX what makes them stand out IMO is of course the 5 draft picks they own (not including yours)
And the YOUNG PLAYERS they would add not guys older then love himself. You look at the precious Deron Williams and Carmelo Anthony deals.'it was tons of picks with Young players idk why in the world Minnesota would consider taking on older guys that would be catastrophic

[jc23]

Late to the party, but would Boozer + Mirotic + 16th & 19th Picks entice the Wolves? Assuming Mirotic is willing to come over and play with Rubio & Pekovic.

On behalf of Blazer fans, I can tell you Wolves fans that we feel your pain. Get ready to have Bulls fans trying to pawn off this crappy package for Love all.... summer.... long. That's what they did all last summer with Aldridge and it looks like they're picking up right where they left off.

it will die down. Bulls arent as good of trade partners as others. And if a Love (or a star from some other team) came out and said he wanted to go to portland me thinks portland fans would be all up in this mess. As is stars rarely ever say that.

[ChokeFasncists]

To simplify:

What do you guys think about:

Love, KMart, Shabazz, Shved, Minny pick, (Hummel + cash)
for
Millsap and Harden

?

If Love=Harden
then Martin + Bazz + Shved + Pick + cash = expiring contract of Millsap? Are you kidding?

What do you think is fair then?

My impression was that the other guy thinks KMart, Love and Shved for Millsap and Harden is too good to be realistic for you guys.

If that's the case, let's take out the cash and Hummel.

Martin + Shved + Bazz OK?

Any kinda pick you could throw in?

[Feilong]

To simplify:

What do you guys think about:

Love, KMart, Shabazz, Shved, Minny pick, (Hummel + cash)
for
Millsap and Harden

?

If Love=Harden
then Martin + Bazz + Shved + Pick + cash = expiring contract of Millsap? Are you kidding?

What do you think is fair then?

My impression was that the other guy thinks KMart, Love and Shved for Millsap and Harden is too good to be realistic for you guys.

If that's the case, let's take out the cash and Hummel.

Martin + Shved + Bazz OK?

Any kinda pick you could throw in?

a) Hummel is FA, i don't know why you mention him in trades
b) Millsap is underpaid this season so he will demand big money? How much is a big question. 10-11M is ok, more is not. There will be teams that will offer him more like Cavs. So Millsap is 1 year rental guy probably.
c) Giving #13 pick is out of question
d) We have spare 2nd round picks
e) I don't think ATL is a good trade partner.
f) I don't like Harden for Love in the first place. Harden is even worse defender than Love.
g) BOS, GSW could offer much more for Love. So you will have to top them.

[ChokeFasncists]

a) Hummel is FA, i don't know why you mention him in trades
b) Millsap is underpaid this season so he will demand big money? How much is a big question. 10-11M is ok, more is not. There will be teams that will offer him more like Cavs. So Millsap is 1 year rental guy probably.
c) Giving #13 pick is out of question
d) We have spare 2nd round picks
e) I don't think ATL is a good trade partner.
f) I don't like Harden for Love in the first place. Harden is even worse defender than Love.
g) BOS, GSW could offer much more for Love. So you will have to top them.

So Martin + Shved + Bazz + 2 second round picks for Millsap OK? (let's say he signs extension that's acceptable)

e) why does that matter? What could go wrong?
f) ~lol~ Didn't know Harden is so unpopular, he's the best SG in the league afterall and even younger than Love. Getting two proven players instead of picks and unknown young players mean you don't have to rebuild. Afterall my post came right after:

I know one thing. I sure as hell don't want to go through another several years of rebuilding. I'll be 40 by the time we get a decent team here.

Thx for the reply anyways.

[Mr Loggins]

#9, Waiters, Thompson, and Varejao could be interesting (and would work financially), but I doubt that Cleveland would offer that much, though, since it's very unlikely that Love would stick around in Cleveland.

Done. I think we need to swing for the fences here. What's the worst thing that happens? Love leaves and we creative down again....I can deal with that.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

[Biff Cooper]

Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

I agree with Houston as a trade partner. Leaving Howard and Harden out of the conversation, they have a lot of solid assets and would like to add a third "big" player.

Parsons
Beverly
Asik
Jones
Lin
Montejunus

If they were willing to trade Parsons, Beverly, Asik, and Jones for Love, I'd probably be willing to throw Love + picks / Euros at them going back without including our bad contracts.

[sisibilio]

Also with the way flip has been so far with trades on draft day.
Teams are looking for asik. So get parsons and picks from Houston. And they find a third team with a lotto pick to take asik and send us another pick.

cmon, nobody is giving a lotto pick for Asik.

[sisibilio]

Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

That's beyond horrible for Atlanta.