The Lottery - Tuesday, May 20th

[Spider156]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

[The Penguin]

Is anyone else nervous because tomorrow is the official return of the Charlotte Hornets? I'm terrified the NBA is going to use the #9 envelope to officially debut that logo.

yep

Silver can either strengthen the budding Hornets who played well against the heat

or take pity on the lowly Pistons

please take pity on us, Lord Silver. Let us keep our pick

Charlotte has largely squandered several high level picks over the past few years, why would we expect a #9 selection to turn them into a real threat? Conversely, we've drafted well in the mid-late lottery, have an owner who has invested greatly in the team, the arena and the city, and have a club that would be poised to finally breakthrough with a top 3 pick. The NBA as a whole benefits more from elevating another iconic team in the East than they do with fortifying a middling franchise.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2009

Someone should just show Silver the league attendance numbers from 2003-2009 and then the last 3 years. I get putting stars in Boston or LA, but if you really want to boost the value of the league I think that's a pretty strong case.

[rmfc]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

[jakebernat]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

knight was a very highly touted prospect at the time. i remember some mocks had him going as high as #3 to utah. he was just another BPA pick by dumars who honestly had a pretty impressive draft history. can't blame him for nabbing knight when rodney stuckey was our PG at the time.

[rmfc]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

knight was a very highly touted prospect at the time. i remember some mocks had him going as high as #3 to utah. he was just another BPA pick by dumars who honestly had a pretty impressive draft history. can't blame him for nabbing knight when rodney stuckey was our PG at the time.

I don't blame him for that. I didn't expect Knight to fall that far either.
I just loved Kawhi prior to the draft and obviously love him even more now. He is just the kind of strong 2-way player Detroit needs at SF.

[jakebernat]

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

knight was a very highly touted prospect at the time. i remember some mocks had him going as high as #3 to utah. he was just another BPA pick by dumars who honestly had a pretty impressive draft history. can't blame him for nabbing knight when rodney stuckey was our PG at the time.

I don't blame him for that. I didn't expect Knight to fall that far either.
I just loved Kawhi prior to the draft and obviously love him even more now. He is just the kind of strong 2-way player Detroit needs at SF.

well, of course we'd love to have kawhi now lol, but hindsight is 20-20. i remember thinking that the spurs got a ridiculous talent to mold and that if he developed a jumper, he'd be a huge steal. SA is easily the model franchise of the nba.

[ADflight1]

Just whipped out the lottery machine. 1 attempt: Pistons get #2 pick and land Parker.

[The Penguin]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

Kawhi & Klay weren't even in discussion to go there, but Dumars whiffed taking Knight over Kemba. You put Kemba with Drummond & Monroe and we really do just need a few 3&D guys.


I give credit to the Warriors (Udoh & Barnes), Cavs (Waiters), Kings (T. Robinson), Raptors (Ross) & T-Wolves (Wes Johnson).

Dumars just got out of his own way for once (or twice).

[rmfc]

knight was a very highly touted prospect at the time. i remember some mocks had him going as high as #3 to utah. he was just another BPA pick by dumars who honestly had a pretty impressive draft history. can't blame him for nabbing knight when rodney stuckey was our PG at the time.

I don't blame him for that. I didn't expect Knight to fall that far either.
I just loved Kawhi prior to the draft and obviously love him even more now. He is just the kind of strong 2-way player Detroit needs at SF.

well, of course we'd love to have kawhi now lol, but hindsight is 20-20. i remember thinking that the spurs got a ridiculous talent to mold and that if he developed a jumper, he'd be a huge steal. SA is easily the model franchise of the nba.

One of the reasons I value Wiggins more than Parker -- Wiggins is already a very good defender. He has the chance to be a top 2 way player ...like a Paul George.

I appreciate those kinds of players a lot more than straight up scorers like Melo etc.

[rmfc]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

Kawhi & Klay weren't even in discussion to go there, but Dumars whiffed taking Knight over Kemba. You put Kemba with Drummond & Monroe and we really do just need a few 3&D guys.


I give credit to the Warriors (Udoh & Barnes), Cavs (Waiters), Kings (T. Robinson), Raptors (Ross) & T-Wolves (Wes Johnson).

Dumars just got out of his own way for once (or twice).

Was never a fan of Kemba....and I am still not (may be a bit unfair). I also didn't like TT when most mocks were predicting that we were gonna pick him. SF has been a weak spot for us for a long time now.

[Invictus88]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

We haven't had a good rookie pick besides those two since Prince in 2002 (before he played too many games and looked like an old man). And even that is just law of averages -- pick enough players with long arms and one is bound to be good.

Here is the complete list of players that Dumars has drafted since Tayshaun:

Darko Milicic
Carlos Delfino
Andreas Glyniadakis
Rickey Paulding
Jason Maxiell
Amir Johnson
Alex Acker
Will Blalock
Rodney Stuckey
Arron Afflalo
Sammy Mejia
D.J. White
Deron Washington
Austin Daye
DaJuan Summers
Jonas Jerebko
Chase Budinger
Greg Monroe
Terrico White
Brandon Knight
Kyle Singler
Vernon Macklin
Andre Drummond
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Tony Mitchell
Peyton Siva

A blind man could have made the Monroe and Drummond picks. Both of them slid so far down that it was ridiculous they were still on the board when the Pistons' pick came around. Take those two off the list and there's virtually no one worth having on an NBA roster, let alone a starter. (excluding last year's class because the jury is still out due to the cluster**** that was last season).

Even those that you could make a case for (e.g. Afflalo, Middleton maybe?) were traded away.

Giving credit for the Pistons getting a top 3 pick this year would be like giving consolation ribbons away for participation at a science fair. The kids (in this case Dumars) clearly didn't do anything to earn an award besides showing up to the thing. And last time I checked the NBA Lottery wasn't something that was possible for a bad team to miss.

[The Penguin]

You know you can hate all you want but If we were to get the Top 3 pick, Dumars would've actually MADE this team a dynasty. I would give him all the credit to the major players the he brought in.

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

We haven't had a good rookie pick besides those two since Prince in the second round (before he played too many games and looked like an old man). And even that is just law of averages -- pick enough players with long arms and one is bound to be good.

Here is the complete list of players that Dumars has drafted since Tayshaun:

Darko Milicic
Carlos Delfino
Andreas Glyniadakis
Rickey Paulding
Jason Maxiell
Amir Johnson
Alex Acker
Will Blalock
Rodney Stuckey
Arron Afflalo
Sammy Mejia
D.J. White
Deron Washington
Austin Daye
DaJuan Summers
Jonas Jerebko
Chase Budinger
Greg Monroe
Terrico White
Brandon Knight
Kyle Singler
Vernon Macklin
Andre Drummond
Khris Middleton
Kim English
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Tony Mitchell
Peyton Siva

A blind man could have made the Monroe and Drummond picks. Both of them slid much farther down to the point it was ridiculous they were still on the board when the Pistons' pick came around. Take those two off the list and there's virtually no one worth having on an NBA roster, let alone a starter. (excluding last year's class because the jury is still out due to the cluster**** that was last season).

Even those that you could make a case for (e.g. Afflalo, Middleton maybe?) were traded away.

Giving credit for the Pistons getting a top 3 pick this year would be like giving consolation ribbons away for participation at a science fair. The kids (in this case Dumars) clearly didn't do anything to earn an award besides showing up to the thing. And last time I checked the NBA Lottery wasn't something that was possible for a bad team to miss.

3 of the "hits" were given away for NOTHING - Amir, Afflalo, Budinger

[The Penguin]

Brought in via the draft, you mean, I'm sure.

Yes. Monroe and Drummond were home runs. I have some hope for KCP. I think he will be fine if and when he starts to get "it". Knight was a flop, though. Kawhi Leonard (or Klay) would have made sooooo much sense but Dumars loved Tay way too much.

Kawhi & Klay weren't even in discussion to go there, but Dumars whiffed taking Knight over Kemba. You put Kemba with Drummond & Monroe and we really do just need a few 3&D guys.


I give credit to the Warriors (Udoh & Barnes), Cavs (Waiters), Kings (T. Robinson), Raptors (Ross) & T-Wolves (Wes Johnson).

Dumars just got out of his own way for once (or twice).

Was never a fan of Kemba....and I am still not (may be a bit unfair). I also didn't like TT when most mocks were predicting that we were gonna pick him. SF has been a weak spot for us for a long time now.

Dumars was also all over Biyombo. If he had taken Monroe in 2010 and Biyombo in 2011 he might have passed on Drummond in 2012. Could you imagine if we let New Orleans pair up the Brow & Drummond because we already had Monroe & Biyombo?

[rmfc]

Kawhi & Klay weren't even in discussion to go there, but Dumars whiffed taking Knight over Kemba. You put Kemba with Drummond & Monroe and we really do just need a few 3&D guys.


I give credit to the Warriors (Udoh & Barnes), Cavs (Waiters), Kings (T. Robinson), Raptors (Ross) & T-Wolves (Wes Johnson).

Dumars just got out of his own way for once (or twice).

Was never a fan of Kemba....and I am still not (may be a bit unfair). I also didn't like TT when most mocks were predicting that we were gonna pick him. SF has been a weak spot for us for a long time now.

Dumars was also all over Biyombo. If he had taken Monroe in 2010 and Biyombo in 2011 he might have passed on Drummond in 2012. Could you imagine if we let New Orleans pair up the Brow & Drummond because we already had Monroe & Biyombo?

[MotownMadness]

I honestly think I would take Parker even if we get #1. Hes just NBA ready and could easily take us anywhere between 40-50 wins in the East as soon as next season.

[Ghost]

8 hours, 20 minutes.

:O

[rmfc]

Just whipped out the lottery machine. 1 attempt: Pistons get #2 pick and land Parker.

10 spins - 6 McDermotts, 2 Smarts, 1 Parker, 1 lost pick.

[Maker_84]

Jemelle Hill definitely doesnt know that if we fall from 8 we lose our pick

[MotownMadness]

I lost the pick on the first spin lol. I noticed the only way it has us selecting Smart is when the Kings get into the top 3. So if we dont land a top3 than I Will be rooting for the Kings too.

[theBigLip]

I don't blame him for that. I didn't expect Knight to fall that far either.
I just loved Kawhi prior to the draft and obviously love him even more now. He is just the kind of strong 2-way player Detroit needs at SF.

well, of course we'd love to have kawhi now lol, but hindsight is 20-20. i remember thinking that the spurs got a ridiculous talent to mold and that if he developed a jumper, he'd be a huge steal. SA is easily the model franchise of the nba.

One of the reasons I value Wiggins more than Parker -- Wiggins is already a very good defender. He has the chance to be a top 2 way player ...like a Paul George.

I appreciate those kinds of players a lot more than straight up scorers like Melo etc.

One comment about Parker that bugs me - "He sometimes has trouble with long athletic defenders". That is what the NBA is made of and makes me think he got by in college using his athleticism and size. That gap narrows once you get in the NBA. I'd pick Wiggins over Parker.