Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

[criteriado]

Rubio/Klay/Brewer/Lee/Dieng doesn't come close to the playoffs on the West. 10th seed for life! I'd prefer bottoming out than be 5 more years winning 36 games. Give me that Celtics pick +2 more 1st rounders and getting a high lottery pick with our pick next year.

I hate being a treadmill who's going nowhere.

Okay. I guess you want to bottom out, I wish to see the team improve. I believe Wolves have a lot of good pieces already and absolutely cannot bottom out because it is going to take too long for Rubio to stick around. You think bottoming out as one of the worst teams this year is going to take this team to the playoffs in the west?

We have a much better chance of improving on the draft than being the 10th seed. Lee is far worse than Love, he's a worse defender, doesn't space the floor.....And has an awful contract. Barnes is a BUST, he can't do anything. He had a fluke on the playoffs last year and people think that he has some value. At this point, he has negative value for me.

Klay improves Martin, but Love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lee while Klay>>>>>Martin.

No team is going to be tanking next year, it's the time to do it if Love is leaving. I'd rather enjoy having a high draft pick and cheering for it than getting mad because we're not close to the playoffs and our picks will suck.

[criteriado]

Of course...If Miami gets bounced by Indiana...Cavs can trade for Love and convince LBJ to return. But doesn't seem likely.

[Takingbaconback]

Rubio/Klay/Brewer/Lee/Dieng doesn't come close to the playoffs on the West. 10th seed for life! I'd prefer bottoming out than be 5 more years winning 36 games. Give me that Celtics pick +2 more 1st rounders and getting a high lottery pick with our pick next year.

I hate being a treadmill who's going nowhere.

Okay. I guess you want to bottom out, I wish to see the team improve. I believe Wolves have a lot of good pieces already and absolutely cannot bottom out because it is going to take too long for Rubio to stick around. You think bottoming out as one of the worst teams this year is going to take this team to the playoffs in the west?

We have a much better chance of improving on the draft than being the 10th seed. Lee is far worse than Love, he's a worse defender, doesn't space the floor.....And has an awful contract. Barnes is a BUST, he can't do anything. He had a fluke on the playoffs last year and people think that he has some value. At this point, he has negative value for me.

Klay improves Martin, but Love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lee while Klay>>>>>Martin.

No team is going to be tanking next year, it's the time to do it if Love is leaving. I'd rather enjoy having a high draft pick and cheering for it than getting mad because we're not close to the playoffs and our picks will suck.

I disagree with the fact that David Lee doesn't space the floor. I would argue Lee has one of the longest ranges for a PF in the NBA and he understands spacing better than Kevin Love does. He only has 2 more years on his contract, which isn't terrible considering we are moving Love's contract which actually increases cap room. And again it is worth mentioning that David Lee doesn't whine and he plays hard on every play. He is a worse defender but it isn't like Kevin Love was a good defender either.

I think the jump from Martin to Klay neutralizes the fall from Love to Lee. While the move from Pek to Dieng helps Lee and the starters. Wolves still have the 13th pick and I would like to see Pek and Martin traded as well 50cents on the dollar.

Rubio, Thompson, Brewer, Lee, Dieng
13th overall pick, Budinger, Shabazz, Barea, + whoever comes in the trade for Pek and Martin

I don't believe bottoming out is the right plan with the few pieces wolves have, and it is going to end up just like how it always has. Gotta build from what we have and continue to add. Keep hitting singles to rally from the deficit, not swinging for the fences every time at bat.

[gaspar]

If a guy went from a PER of 9 to 14 to 17, I would feel comfortable expecting them to continue to improve despite 2 years below 15 PER.

Out of curiosity, and to go back on topic, is there a player out there that meets your criteria that is obtainable in a Love trade? From what I gather, (1) consistently improving PER and (2) a season above a 15 PER?

EDIT: Yes, I know, another Krapinsky triple post. But Aquintus' splice jobs are too much work for my blood and take constant editing to make it right.

Morris twins.

[criteriado]

Okay. I guess you want to bottom out, I wish to see the team improve. I believe Wolves have a lot of good pieces already and absolutely cannot bottom out because it is going to take too long for Rubio to stick around. You think bottoming out as one of the worst teams this year is going to take this team to the playoffs in the west?

We have a much better chance of improving on the draft than being the 10th seed. Lee is far worse than Love, he's a worse defender, doesn't space the floor.....And has an awful contract. Barnes is a BUST, he can't do anything. He had a fluke on the playoffs last year and people think that he has some value. At this point, he has negative value for me.

Klay improves Martin, but Love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lee while Klay>>>>>Martin.

No team is going to be tanking next year, it's the time to do it if Love is leaving. I'd rather enjoy having a high draft pick and cheering for it than getting mad because we're not close to the playoffs and our picks will suck.

. I would argue Lee has one of the longest ranges for a PF in the NBA and he understands spacing better than Kevin Love does. He only has 2 more years on his contract, which isn't terrible considering we are moving Love's contract which actually increases cap room. And again it is worth mentioning that David Lee doesn't whine and he plays hard on every play. He is a worse defender but it isn't like Kevin Love was a good defender either.

I think the jump from Martin to Klay neutralizes the fall from Love to Lee. While the move from Pek to Dieng helps Lee and the starters.

David Lee doesn't play hard on every play. David Lee doesn't care about defense. A 6 m jumpshooter spaces better the floor than a 37% 3p shooter 6 tries per 36 min? You gotta be kidding me.

Steve Kerr today: We need a stretch 4. Who do you think he was refering? David Lee or Kevin Love? Seriously.

If we want to compete I'd rather have Taj+ Butler plus 2 1st rounders.

[Worm Guts]

If you want to bottom out you probably haven't been a Wolves fan for very long. I don't think I can take any more bottoming out.

[Feilong]

You can't tank with Rubio. He makes others better.
But i don't like Lee at all.
I still like Bos Sulli + #6 + ...
or CHI Gibson + Butler + #16 + #19
the most

[criteriado]

If you want to bottom out you probably haven't been a Wolves fan for very long. I don't think I can take any more bottoming out.

I've been a Wolves fan for a while. Do people really want to win 35 games? The West is just getting better. I know it's hard to swallow, but this season for me has been much more harder to take than the one when we won 15 games.

[Takingbaconback]

We have a much better chance of improving on the draft than being the 10th seed. Lee is far worse than Love, he's a worse defender, doesn't space the floor.....And has an awful contract. Barnes is a BUST, he can't do anything. He had a fluke on the playoffs last year and people think that he has some value. At this point, he has negative value for me.

Klay improves Martin, but Love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lee while Klay>>>>>Martin.

No team is going to be tanking next year, it's the time to do it if Love is leaving. I'd rather enjoy having a high draft pick and cheering for it than getting mad because we're not close to the playoffs and our picks will suck.

. I would argue Lee has one of the longest ranges for a PF in the NBA and he understands spacing better than Kevin Love does. He only has 2 more years on his contract, which isn't terrible considering we are moving Love's contract which actually increases cap room. And again it is worth mentioning that David Lee doesn't whine and he plays hard on every play. He is a worse defender but it isn't like Kevin Love was a good defender either.

I think the jump from Martin to Klay neutralizes the fall from Love to Lee. While the move from Pek to Dieng helps Lee and the starters.

David Lee doesn't play hard on every play. David Lee doesn't care about defense. A 6 m jumpshooter spaces better the floor than a 37% 3p shooter 6 tries per 36 min? You gotta be kidding me.

Steve Kerr today: We need a stretch 4. Who do you think he was refering? David Lee or Kevin Love? Seriously.

If we want to compete I'd rather have Taj+ Butler plus 2 1st rounders.

Taj + Butler + 16th + 19th pick is the perfect way to continue treadmilling. Not to mention the wolves are going to score the least amount of points a game in the NBA.

Lee can't hit 3's as I said but he can get out and hit perimeter jump shots

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kevin%20Love
http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=David%20Lee

Guess who has the higher FG% from 16-23 feet the last three years? Love or Lee? Answer might surprise you.

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player. I understand the contract but he is an older spitting image of Love who doesn't take any 3s. Doesn't whine or give up as easily as Love either.

[wildvikeswolves]

If The Cavs are willing to give up that 1 pick for Love I would put them at the top of the list.

If not I like the Boston offer of Love and Martin for 6 + Sullinger + picks the best

[Feilong]

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player.

Because we actually watch GSW games and not just stats on internet.

[Merc_Porto]

K.LOVE + C.BREWER + CHICAGO BULLS
J.BUTLER + T.GIBSON + DUNLEAVY + 16TH + 19TH – MINESOTA TIMBERWOLVES

A.AFFALO - MINESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
JJ.BAREA + 16TH PICK + 1 OR 2 2ºROUND PICKS – ORLANDO MAGIC

Rubio - (19th pick) - A.Shved
A.Affalo - K.Martin - C.Budinger
J.Butler - S.Muhammad - Dunleavy
T.Gibson - (13th pick) - Mbah a Moute
Pekovic - Dieng - Turiaf

My only doubt is if Orland would accepted that or not .

I post again this, because this make a lot of sense now.
I´m sorry but this is a playoff team to me with right coach.

And the people are forgeting that S.Muhammad and R.Rubio going to improve.
Special Rubio. I believe in that.

[Takingbaconback]

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player.

Because we actually watch GSW games and not just stats on internet.

On the contrary, I live in CA. I watch David Lee all the time. It is you who look at the stats and don't understand the impact he can bring when he is paired up with a guy like Dieng.

[criteriado]

. I would argue Lee has one of the longest ranges for a PF in the NBA and he understands spacing better than Kevin Love does. He only has 2 more years on his contract, which isn't terrible considering we are moving Love's contract which actually increases cap room. And again it is worth mentioning that David Lee doesn't whine and he plays hard on every play. He is a worse defender but it isn't like Kevin Love was a good defender either.

I think the jump from Martin to Klay neutralizes the fall from Love to Lee. While the move from Pek to Dieng helps Lee and the starters.

David Lee doesn't play hard on every play. David Lee doesn't care about defense. A 6 m jumpshooter spaces better the floor than a 37% 3p shooter 6 tries per 36 min? You gotta be kidding me.

Steve Kerr today: We need a stretch 4. Who do you think he was refering? David Lee or Kevin Love? Seriously.

If we want to compete I'd rather have Taj+ Butler plus 2 1st rounders.

Taj + Butler + 16th + 19th pick is the perfect way to continue treadmilling. Not to mention the wolves are going to score the least amount of points a game in the NBA.

Lee can't hit 3's as I said but he can get out and hit perimeter jump shots

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kevin%20Love
http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=David%20Lee

Guess who has the higher FG% from 16-23 feet the last three years? Love or Lee? Answer might surprise you.

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player. I understand the contract but he is an older spitting image of Love who doesn't take any 3s

Congrats to David Lee at being better than Love at the worse possible shot in basketball. Props.

Taj is much better than David Lee, with that team you maybe don't score a lot, but you can play lockdown defense. Jimmy's shot fell off this year, but last year he had 57 TS and he's a lockdown defender.

By RAPM the Bulls trade is a lot better than the Warriors trade. Because you know, defense.

[criteriado]

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player.

Because we actually watch GSW games and not just stats on internet.

On the contrary, I live in CA. I watch David Lee all the time. It is you who look at the stats and don't understand the impact he can bring when he is paired up with a guy like Dieng.

He was paired this year with Bogut and the Warriors looked so much better with Dray at the 4 than with Lee there. Same last year against the Nuggets.

[Takingbaconback]

David Lee doesn't play hard on every play. David Lee doesn't care about defense. A 6 m jumpshooter spaces better the floor than a 37% 3p shooter 6 tries per 36 min? You gotta be kidding me.

Steve Kerr today: We need a stretch 4. Who do you think he was refering? David Lee or Kevin Love? Seriously.

If we want to compete I'd rather have Taj+ Butler plus 2 1st rounders.

Taj + Butler + 16th + 19th pick is the perfect way to continue treadmilling. Not to mention the wolves are going to score the least amount of points a game in the NBA.

Lee can't hit 3's as I said but he can get out and hit perimeter jump shots

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kevin%20Love
http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=David%20Lee

Guess who has the higher FG% from 16-23 feet the last three years? Love or Lee? Answer might surprise you.

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player. I understand the contract but he is an older spitting image of Love who doesn't take any 3s

Congrats to David Lee at being better than Love at the worse possible shot in basketball. Props.

Taj is much better than David Lee, with that team you maybe don't score a lot, but you can play lockdown defense. Jimmy's shot fell off this year, but last year he had 57 TS and he's a lockdown defender.

By RAPM the Bulls trade is a lot better than the Warriors trade. Because you know, defense.

Wow just disproved your point and you act like a girl. Man up and admit when you're wrong.
Impact Taj + Butler brings is nowhere near what Lee and Klay Thompson is going to bring. It isn't even a debate.

[Takingbaconback]

Because we actually watch GSW games and not just stats on internet.

On the contrary, I live in CA. I watch David Lee all the time. It is you who look at the stats and don't understand the impact he can bring when he is paired up with a guy like Dieng.

He was paired this year with Bogut and the Warriors looked so much better with Dray at the 4 than with Lee there. Same last year against the Nuggets.

No, there is a reason Lee was a starter. Dray looked good for some games in limited minutes but that was mostly in the playoffs when everybody jumped in and started watching GSW consistently. Lee is consistent which is why he was a better choice for starter than Dray. Again Bogut is not Dieng, that isn't even close either.

[criteriado]

Taj + Butler + 16th + 19th pick is the perfect way to continue treadmilling. Not to mention the wolves are going to score the least amount of points a game in the NBA.

Lee can't hit 3's as I said but he can get out and hit perimeter jump shots

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kevin%20Love
http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=David%20Lee

Guess who has the higher FG% from 16-23 feet the last three years? Love or Lee? Answer might surprise you.

Again Kevin Love can shoot the 3 but Lee is a good perimeter jump shooter. I don't know why people are so down on him as a player. I understand the contract but he is an older spitting image of Love who doesn't take any 3s

Congrats to David Lee at being better than Love at the worse possible shot in basketball. Props.

Taj is much better than David Lee, with that team you maybe don't score a lot, but you can play lockdown defense. Jimmy's shot fell off this year, but last year he had 57 TS and he's a lockdown defender.

By RAPM the Bulls trade is a lot better than the Warriors trade. Because you know, defense.

Wow just disproved your point and you act like a girl. Man up and admit when you're wrong.
Impact Taj + Butler brings is nowhere near what Lee and Klay Thompson is going to bring. It isn't even a debate.

I'm sorry for pointing out that Lee is better than Love at the worst shot in basketball. Well, if you only like POINTS, it's not a debate. If you actually watch basketball regularly and you appreciate great defense....For me it's not a debate either...The Bulls duo is much better.

[Takingbaconback]

Congrats to David Lee at being better than Love at the worse possible shot in basketball. Props.

Taj is much better than David Lee, with that team you maybe don't score a lot, but you can play lockdown defense. Jimmy's shot fell off this year, but last year he had 57 TS and he's a lockdown defender.

By RAPM the Bulls trade is a lot better than the Warriors trade. Because you know, defense.

Wow just disproved your point and you act like a girl. Man up and admit when you're wrong.
Impact Taj + Butler brings is nowhere near what Lee and Klay Thompson is going to bring. It isn't even a debate.

I'm sorry for pointing out that Lee is better than Love at the worst shot in basketball. Well, if you only like POINTS, it's not a debate. If you actually watch basketball regularly and you appreciate great defense....For me it's not a debate either...The Bulls duo is much better.

Said the guy who claimed Lee couldn't shoot jumpers. When in fact he shot a much higher percentage the last 3 years from 16-23 feet than Kevin Love. And the audacity to say that is a worthless shot. That is one of the difference between stars and superstars, the ability to hit midrange jumpers. For shame, just stop while you're at it... Lol Gibson and Butler are going to be better for Rubio&the wolves than Lee and Thompson... absolutely frustrating, yeah I would love to have the worst offensive team in the NBA for a top 10 defense. you are the one who needs to start understanding what basketball is. Rubio Thompson Brewer and Dieng make up a very good defensive group and help Lee out while being able to score more than 85 points a game

[BleedGreen1989]

Putting myself in a Wolves fan shoes, I'd rather root and watch a 19 year old develop into a hopeful star or good player than eat Lee's contract and worry about what Klay will get paid.

Whether that's a deal with Boston or LA doesn't matter.