Kings, Knicks, Bulls, Magic

[blind prophet]

Revised Trade
Kings trade #8, Knick's second round 2016, 2018 second round/pick swap option with Portland,Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Travis Outlaw

Knick's trade Chandler

Bull's trade 2014 picks 16, 19

Orlando trade Affalo, 2014 # 12, 2015 second round, 2016 second round


King's receive Affalo, Chandler, 2016 second Round from Orlando

Knick's receive Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, # 16 from Chicago, return of 2016 second round, 2018 second round from Kings pick/swap option with Portland, 2015 second round from Orlando

Bull's receive #12, Outlaw, Rights to Kings pick in 2015 reduced to top 3 protected, unprotected in 2016

Orlando receives #8, #19, Carl Landry


Original Trade

Kings trade #8, Knick's second round 2016, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, Travis Outlaw
Knick's trade Shumpert, Chandler
Bull's trade 2014 picks 16, 19
Orlando trade Affalo, 2014 # 12


Knick's receive Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, # 16 from Chicago, return of 2016 second round
Bull's receive #12, Outlaw
Orlando receives #8, Shumpert, Carl Landry

The Kings try to win now, dump some terrible trash in salary, hope to get some useful role player with the 19. Make a push for a possible playoff scenario.

Knick's get a much needed draft pick, a return of a second, save some money to help with contracts and look to improve more a season or two from now.

Orlando gets value for Affalo, most likely not in their long term plans, moves up in draft position.

Bulls get a better pick, add minor salary in Outlaw. The 12 gives them options to combine some salary+ the pick if they wanted for further roster adjustment.

Salary Breakdown and Contracts

Knicks

Outgoing
Chandler $14,596,888
Shumpert $2,761,113

Total 17,358,001

Incoming
Thompson $6,037,500 * $6,431,250 $6,825,000
Terry $5,450,000
# 16 $1,419,200

Total 12,906,700

Savings 4,451,301

Bulls outgoing

#16 $1,419,200
#19 $1,223,200

Total 2,642,400

Bulls incoming

Outlaw 3,000,000
#12 $1,742,400

Total 4,742,400

Cap Hit 2,100,000

Magic Outgoing

#12 $1,742,400
Affalo $7,562,500 *player option $7,750,000

Total 9,304,900

Magic Incoming

#8 $2,210,900
Shumpert $2,761,113
Landry $6,750,000 *$6,750,000 $6,750,000

Total 11,722,013

Cap Hit 2,417,113

Kings Outgoing

#8 $2,210,900
Landry $6,750,000 *$6,750,000 $6,750,000
Outlaw 3,000,000
Thompson $6,037,500 * $6,431,250 $6,825,000
Terry $5,450,000

Total 23,448,400

Kings Incoming

#19 $1,223,200
Affalo $7,562,500 *player option $7,750,000
Chandler in $14,596,888

Total 23,382,588

Savings $ 65, 812

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[jjohns828]

Personally, I'd prefer if you cut the Magic out. I'm not a fan of Shumpert at all and I think the two big drop offs in this draft are at 4 and 7 so I don't like the difference between what we'd get at 12 and what we could get at 8 enough that I'd trade Afflalo and take on Landry's bad contract to move up.

[blind prophet]

Personally, I'd prefer if you cut the Magic out. I'm not a fan of Shumpert at all and I think the two big drop offs in this draft are at 4 and 7 so I don't like the difference between what we'd get at 12 and what we could get at 8 enough that I'd trade Afflalo and take on Landry's bad contract to move up.

Yeah Landry's contract is absolutely terrible. But for this trade to work, we have to dump him to get what we want in Sacramento.

Shumpert though if you did not want him back could stay in New York. Big difference between the 7th pick and the 8th this year.

[jjohns828]

Personally, I'd prefer if you cut the Magic out. I'm not a fan of Shumpert at all and I think the two big drop offs in this draft are at 4 and 7 so I don't like the difference between what we'd get at 12 and what we could get at 8 enough that I'd trade Afflalo and take on Landry's bad contract to move up.

Yeah Landry's contract is absolutely terrible. But for this trade to work, we have to dump him to get what we want in Sacramento.

Shumpert though if you did not want him back could stay in New York. Big difference between the 7th pick and the 8th this year.

Yes there is a big difference between the 7th and 8th pick which is why I wouldn't give up Afflalo, the 12th pick, and take on Landry's horrible contract for the 8th pick and Shumpert, who I don't care for as a player and I'd rather let the Knicks keep. The 8th pick is the start of the 3rd tier of prospects in my opinion and there are enough of them that interest me that I'd rather just keep the 12th pick and not have to be saddled with Landry's contract.

[skflives]

Knick's trade Shumpert, Chandler

Knick's receive Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, # 16 from Chicago, return of 2016 second round

This is a big no from NY. I think Thompson would be a good addition to our front court and I like that's we're getting 2 picks but Jason Thompson makes this a no go. His deal cuts into our plans for 2015.

[blind prophet]

Knick's trade Shumpert, Chandler

Knick's receive Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, # 16 from Chicago, return of 2016 second round

This is a big no from NY. I think Thompson would be a good addition to our front court and I like that's we're getting 2 picks but Jason Thompson makes this a no go. His deal cuts into our plans for 2015.

Yeah Sacramento needs JT off the books too.

The 19 pick perhaps can be used to consolidate even further. Maybe divvy that up then between Orlando and the Knicks?

But you guys only have 12,674,322 on the books for 15-16, but with Smith and Felton most likely opting in, still only about 23 million there.

[Laimbeer]

The drop from seven to eight is probably being exaggerated in that it's more likely than not someone unexpected crashes the top seven. I wouldn't be surprised if the top three gets crashed as well.

[blind prophet]

A possible modification to the trade.

instead of the 19 to Sacramento in 2014.

Orlando gets the 19, ships own 2015 second round to New York...should be a low pick too, Kings ship 2018 second round draft pick from Portland pick swap option also to New York.

Kings get Orlando 2016 second round pick.

[tiderulz]

I cant see Henny adding salary for next year. We are due to have some decent cap space then and i dont see him using it on Landry.

[blind prophet]

I cant see Henny adding salary for next year. We are due to have some decent cap space then and i dont see him using it on Landry.

No you would not take Landry for nothing.

But all you have on the books is $7,750,000 in 15-16....Affalo is not in your long term plans, you have massive room, and with consideration of incentive for both you and New york, you'd get the 8 and 19th this year.

Knicks would add your second rounder in 2015, and Kings take yours in 2016.

I think that is fair considering your cap situation.

[tiderulz]

I cant see Henny adding salary for next year. We are due to have some decent cap space then and i dont see him using it on Landry.

No you would not take Landry for nothing.

But all you have on the books is $7,750,000 in 15-16....Affalo is not in your long term plans, you have massive room, and with consideration of incentive for both you and New york, you'd get the 8 and 19th this year.

Knicks would add your second rounder in 2015, and Kings take yours in 2016.

I think that is fair considering your cap situation.

you arent counting new contracts for Vuc, Harris, O'Quinn, 2014 draft pick. I think Henny is planning on using that space on more than Landry.

[blind prophet]

I cant see Henny adding salary for next year. We are due to have some decent cap space then and i dont see him using it on Landry.

No you would not take Landry for nothing.

But all you have on the books is $7,750,000 in 15-16....Affalo is not in your long term plans, you have massive room, and with consideration of incentive for both you and New york, you'd get the 8 and 19th this year.

Knicks would add your second rounder in 2015, and Kings take yours in 2016.

I think that is fair considering your cap situation.

you arent counting new contracts for Vuc, Harris, O'Quinn, 2014 draft pick. I think Henny is planning on using that space on more than Landry.

True, those will be at your leisure.

But you are acting like the 8th pick and 19th pick are not worth a 2 year salary that is not overly outrageous.

You have plenty of room to make adjustments, next years salary makes little difference.

So an open book pretty much salary wise with someone making less than 7 million for two years after that for both the 8th and 19th seems fair.

If Landry was making 15 million or something I could see it.

[tiderulz]

Landry makes $6.5mil/yr for the next 3 years. as a soon to be 31 yr old, backup PF. the move from 12 to 8 isnt worth that much unless some player Orlando is in love with falls down there for some reason.

[jjohns828]

No you would not take Landry for nothing.

But all you have on the books is $7,750,000 in 15-16....Affalo is not in your long term plans, you have massive room, and with consideration of incentive for both you and New york, you'd get the 8 and 19th this year.

Knicks would add your second rounder in 2015, and Kings take yours in 2016.

I think that is fair considering your cap situation.

you arent counting new contracts for Vuc, Harris, O'Quinn, 2014 draft pick. I think Henny is planning on using that space on more than Landry.

True, those will be at your leisure.

But you are acting like the 8th pick and 19th pick are not worth a 2 year salary that is not overly outrageous.

You have plenty of room to make adjustments, next years salary makes little difference.

So an open book pretty much salary wise with someone making less than 7 million for two years after that for both the 8th and 19th seems fair.

If Landry was making 15 million or something I could see it.

Now that your using the 19th instead of Shumpert in this discussion I'll make a new breakdown on why I wouldn't make this trade. The way I see it I don't see a huge difference between what we'd get at 12 and what we'd get at 8, at the end of the day the 8th pick will be the start of the 3rd tier prospects so the most I'd offer to make that move is the 12th pick and Afflalo. If you needed to add the expiring contracts of Terry and Outlaw that Kings fans seem to want to move I'd take them but I wouldn't take Thompson or Landry's long term deal.

Now you're also adding the 19th pick to this deal, since I said the 12th and Afflalo is what I value the 8th pick at the decision is whether I'd rather have the 19th pick and Landry's contract on our books or if I'd rather have the extra cap space by not taking Landry. In a vacuum that doesn't seem too bad but in the end when I consider it almost certain that we will be extending Harris and Vucevic and almost as likely that we'll extend O'Quinn I think I'd rather have the cap space so we have more room to make moves next off season even with those extensions.

[blind prophet]

you arent counting new contracts for Vuc, Harris, O'Quinn, 2014 draft pick. I think Henny is planning on using that space on more than Landry.

True, those will be at your leisure.

But you are acting like the 8th pick and 19th pick are not worth a 2 year salary that is not overly outrageous.

You have plenty of room to make adjustments, next years salary makes little difference.

So an open book pretty much salary wise with someone making less than 7 million for two years after that for both the 8th and 19th seems fair.

If Landry was making 15 million or something I could see it.

Now that your using the 19th instead of Shumpert in this discussion I'll make a new breakdown on why I wouldn't make this trade. The way I see it I don't see a huge difference between what we'd get at 12 and what we'd get at 8, at the end of the day the 8th pick will be the start of the 3rd tier prospects so the most I'd offer to make that move is the 12th pick and Afflalo. If you needed to add the expiring contracts of Terry and Outlaw that Kings fans seem to want to move I'd take them but I wouldn't take Thompson or Landry's long term deal.

Now you're also adding the 19th pick to this deal, since I said the 12th and Afflalo is what I value the 8th pick at the decision is whether I'd rather have the 19th pick and Landry's contract on our books or if I'd rather have the extra cap space by not taking Landry. In a vacuum that doesn't seem too bad but in the end when I consider it almost certain that we will be extending Harris and Vucevic and almost as likely that we'll extend O'Quinn I think I'd rather have the cap space so we have more room to make moves next off season even with those extensions.

Sucks we are close to a deal, real close.

Maybe it will depend on who is left at 8th?

A draft day trade if you like what you see?

But I think you guys are slightly overly concerned with Landry, next season it doesn't matter really. 2 year contract after that left at under 7 million.

You have some cap room to wiggle still, and could feasibly try and break Landry's contract up into 2 smaller pieces by then too.

[OhioKingsFan]

Sorry, but I don't see Chandler as the answer for the Kings. I'd prefer to keep the pick and the long term salary of JT and Landry for now. Chandler will be 32 when the season starts.

I think if a deal is to be made with Orlando that the Knicks are the wrong 3rd team.

[blind prophet]

Sorry, but I don't see Chandler as the answer for the Kings. I'd prefer to keep the pick and the long term salary of JT and Landry for now. Chandler will be 32 when the season starts.

I think if a deal is to be made with Orlando that the Knicks are the wrong 3rd team.

Going to have to disagree with you there, Chandler salary expires, we could look to sign him for cheaper after that, and we get our two worst contracts off the books, and probably make the playoffs.

[JameerNelsonFan]

If the Landry contract was that bad to u that u want to dump him, why would Orlando want to take him? The difference between the 8th pick and #12 isn't enough.

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[blind prophet]

If the Landry contract was that bad to u that u want to dump him, why would Orlando want to take him? The difference between the 8th pick and #12 isn't enough.

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You don't also have Jason Thompson on the books, nor a bunch of expiring trash.

with the trade modification you get the #19 too, for 2 second rounders in the future.

You going to build Rome in a day?

You need some vision to see his salary makes no difference to you for next season, then the prospects you get are on the cheap vs a veteran, and can make a lateral move with Landry for two smaller contracts.

He's at 6.75 for 2 years after a meaningless salary maneuver for you next season.

You get that option to fully rebuild with 2 years of tact and patience dealing with his salary.

Here's a hint, still going to be in the lottery next season too.

[jjohns828]

If the Landry contract was that bad to u that u want to dump him, why would Orlando want to take him? The difference between the 8th pick and #12 isn't enough.

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You don't also have Jason Thompson on the books, nor a bunch of expiring trash.

with the trade modification you get the #19 too, for 2 second rounders in the future.

You going to build Rome in a day?

You need some vision to see his salary makes no difference to you for next season, then the prospects you get are on the cheap vs a veteran, and can make a lateral move with Landry for two smaller contracts.

He's at 6.75 for 2 years after a meaningless salary maneuver for you next season.

You get that option to fully rebuild with 2 years of tact and patience dealing with his salary.

Here's a hint, still going to be in the lottery next season too.

Next off season is the time when some of our young players are going to start being up for extensions and more will come up the season after that. Realistically, if we're ever going to try and make a move in free agency it's going to have to be next off season. Therefore, the last thing we're going to want is to have dead weight like Landry's contract on our cap at that team, especially when our front office has done such a good job making sure that all the dead weight we already have will be gone by then.