Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

[funkatron101]

If we can land R.Westbrrok

Because San Antonio is provaly destoyed the Thunder. They have to chance something.

You think that would chance Love Mind ?

Provaly.

[Krapinsky]

Of course, Utah tried it your way, and what you're seeing now is what happens when none of their lotto picks become franchise talents.

Yeah, and they're still in position to continue to add high level talent through the draft. Denver isn't.

You act like that's a good thing. We've been in that situation for a long time now and it hasn't been fun, or productive. You don't think Utah would have rather had 20 + wins each year for the last few years vs. now being able to draft a high lotto pick because they suck?

And that's also ignoring that the deal Denver got for Melo is significantly better than the offers we're getting from GS or Chicago.

Gallo, Felton, Mozgov, and Chandler? That's debatable...

[MinneOOPalis]

Wow Barnes actually looks really good when he is aggressive and confident. Still would't do that trade unless we got Klay Thompson though.

[AQuintus]

Gallo, Felton, Mozgov, and Chandler? That's debatable...

Ah, you're right again. I was thinking that he was better than he was when he was traded. In reality, he was statistically pretty similar to Thompson (not good).

Wilson Chandler was quite a bit better than Barnes, but still bad. The biggest saving grace was that they didn't have to take back an albatross contract like we would with Lee.

In reality, looking at the players that Denver got, their success post-trade had very little to do with the trade itself. They were able to stay good because George Karl is amazing at getting team first guys to play beyond their talent level, the fleeced the Wolves in the Lawson trade, and they got another gem in Faried.

I'd still much, much, much rather get a solid young guy (like Sullinger), jettison bad salary, and get a high draft pick to get a talented in the draft (the real driving force behind Denver's post-Melo success).

Edit:

We've been in that situation for a long time now and it hasn't been fun, or productive.

We were in the one-and-done playoff situation for a long time with Garnett, too, and that wasn't fun or productive either.

[AQuintus]

Wow Barnes actually looks really good when he is aggressive and confident.

The exact same thing could be said about a lot of bad young players (i.e. Wes Johnson and Derrick Williams).

[CelticsPride18]

Celtics fan here.

Here is my trade idea:

Love for Sullinger or Olynyk, # 6 pick, 2 future picks(Nets or ours) Bogans and Anthony.
Also the Trade exception for Martin.

What do you think?

[AQuintus]

Celtics fan here.

Here is my trade idea:

Love for Sullinger or Olynyk, # 6 pick, 2 future picks(Nets or ours) Bogans and Anthony.
Also the Trade exception for Martin.

What do you think?

As long as the top 3 picks are off the table, I think that this is easily the best deal out there. I'd probably try to get Budinger included in there, too, but I'd be fine with this trade as is.

[CelticsPride18]

Celtics fan here.

Here is my trade idea:

Love for Sullinger or Olynyk, # 6 pick, 2 future picks(Nets or ours) Bogans and Anthony.
Also the Trade exception for Martin.

What do you think?

As long as the top 3 picks are off the table, I think that this is easily the best deal out there. I'd probably try to get Budinger included in there, too, but I'd be fine with this trade as is.

Thanks. I agree if the Cavs get involved and offer the 1 pick no team will outbid them.

[Krapinsky]

I'd still much, much, much rather get a solid young guy (like Sullinger), jettison bad salary, and get a high draft pick to get a talented in the draft (the real driving force behind Denver's post-Melo success).

I'm not sure who you could be referring to. Faried?

We were in the one-and-done playoff situation for a long time with Garnett, too, and that wasn't fun or productive either.

To each his own, but I thought that was pretty fun. Those were my fondest memories as a Sports fan (ever) and I thought with Spreewell and Cassell we were a few bounces away from being in the finals.

[Swish4]

To me, the only trades I'd be happy with are those bringing back one of the top 3 picks in this draft. That would likely require a 3 way trade and 3 way trades are impossible to predict.

[Grits n Gravy]

Celtics fan here.

Here is my trade idea:

Love for Sullinger or Olynyk, # 6 pick, 2 future picks(Nets or ours) Bogans and Anthony.
Also the Trade exception for Martin.

What do you think?

I think we'd try and squeeze you for the #17.

I'd seriously rather trade Love to the Lakers for their lottery pick and next years unprotected pick while dumping Martin and Chase then take Barnes, Lee and a future first from them.

[AQuintus]

I'm not sure who you could be referring to. Faried?

Faried and Lawson, Denver's two best players.

To each his own, but I thought that was pretty fun.

There's probably some nostalgia at play. I remember going another year missing out on the 2nd round not being much fun at all. More fun than the Wolves the last few years, sure, but still not fun.

Personally, if my choices are A) no fun missing out on the playoffs by 6-10 games or making the playoffs and getting swept for 5-6 years followed by no fun rebuilding OR B) no fun while rebuilding for a year or 2 and then (hopefully) having fun watching some deep playoff runs, I choose B.

Those were my fondest memories as a Sports fan (ever) and I thought with Spreewell and Cassell we were a few bounces away from being in the finals.

The one year that Minnesota wasn't one-and-done - success that Denver hasn't had post-Melo.

[CelticsPride18]

Celtics fan here.

Here is my trade idea:

Love for Sullinger or Olynyk, # 6 pick, 2 future picks(Nets or ours) Bogans and Anthony.
Also the Trade exception for Martin.

What do you think?

I think we'd try and squeeze you for the #17.

I'd seriously rather trade Love to the Lakers for their lottery pick and next years unprotected pick while dumping Martin and Chase then take Barnes, Lee and a future first from them.

I think the Suns have the Lakers 2015 pick.

[theGreatRC]

Thunder aren't gonna blow anything up. The way they see it; San Antonio's time is almost up and the Thunder will run the west with KD+Westbrook+Ibaka for the next 5+ years

[AQuintus]

I think the Suns have the Lakers 2015 pick.

Yep.

Suns receive the Lakers 2015 first-round pick. (top 5 in 2015, top 3 in 2016 and 2017, unprotected 2018. ()

[Krapinsky]

I'm not sure who you could be referring to. Faried?

Faried and Lawson, Denver's two best players.

Picked 22 and 18.

As an aside, I think there is something to be said about developing players on winning teams and not teams that are consistently lousy.

To each his own, but I thought that was pretty fun.

There's probably some nostalgia at play. I remember going another year missing out on the 2nd round not being much fun at all. More fun than the Wolves the last few years, sure, but still not fun.

Personally, if my choices are A) no fun missing out on the playoffs by 6-10 games or making the playoffs and getting swept for 5-6 years followed by no fun rebuilding OR B) no fun while rebuilding for a year or 2 and then (hopefully) having fun watching some deep playoff runs, I choose B.

Is B realistic though? With B there's a higher probability that we'll be rebuilding for 4 or 5 years if the young players don't pan out.

[AQuintus]

Picked 22 and 18.

Exactly. Two picks that they could have made regardless of the Melo trade. If they would have traded for a prospect and a high pick, they could have still had those two and be just as well off (or even better off).

As an aside, I think there is something to be said about developing players on winning teams and not teams that are consistently lousy.

Possibly, though the Lakers haven't exactly developed any young guys lately. The Heat weren't able to develop Beasley. The Pacers, on the other hand, developed several young guys while they were lousy. It's more likely that coaching and the players themselves are what matters.

Is B realistic though? With B there's a higher probability that we'll be rebuilding for 4 or 5 years if the young players don't pan out.

I said "hopefully" for a reason. There is a chance that rebuilding doesn't work. There's a better chance that it does than two mediocre prospects (Thompson and Barnes) suddenly become stars and make us a contender, though. I'd take a chance at a rebuild working out over a (near) guarantee that we're stuck on the treadmill for years and then have to rebuild anyway (without Rubio or Dieng).

[JonFromVA]

I'm thinking the TWolves best shot to pry the #1 pick from Cleveland would be to wait for July when free-agency starts. If then at that point James and Love wanted to form the next "big 3" in Cleveland, most of the risks would be gone for the Cavs. Those guys could even choose their coach.

A serious downside with this approach is that short of collusion, it could fall through and some of the TWolves' backup plans could fall apart as well - and the TWolves would lose the chance to select their guy.

On the bright side, if James did turn out to be interested, the TWolves could end up with a lot of leverage, although another team could get in the bidding.

What do you guys think? Would a shot at the #1 be worth waiting until July? Or not worth the risk?

[Krapinsky]

I said "hopefully" for a reason. There is a chance that rebuilding doesn't work. There's a better chance that it does than two mediocre prospects (Thompson and Barnes) suddenly become stars and make us a contender, though. I'd take a chance at a rebuild working out over a (near) guarantee that we're stuck on the treadmill for years and then have to rebuild anyway (without Rubio or Dieng).

Rubio, Shabazz, Dieng, Thompson, Barnes, #13. Just feels like there is a lot of young, smart talent there. Guys that are all gym rats, will work hard, push each other and put the team first. Thompson and Barnes bring playoff experience with them. I know our views on some of these guys can differ drastically, but I'm almost to the point where I would do that trade even if Love wanted to stay.

[AQuintus]

I'm thinking the TWolves best shot to pry the #1 pick from Cleveland would be to wait for July when free-agency starts.

Not going to happen. If Minnesota doesn't trade Love by draft night, they won't trade Love.