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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#61 » by Warspite » Thu May 22, 2014 8:57 pm

theBigLip wrote:Is this too much to ask for a single offseason?

Lowry - sure, Toronto wants to keep him, but he is unrestricted. Dream scenario is they don't want to pay him, and accept a sign/trade and get Jennings. Ok, that might be a bit much, but hey, we could always throw in a future protected first :banghead:

Stephenson - he is looking like quite the stud right now, although so did BG the year before we overpaid for him. Indiana will have to dig deep to keep him. A bit more seriously this time, a KCP sign/trade might be possible. Or not.

Ariza - lots of SF options - Melo, Deng, Gay, but Ariza may be the most obtainable. Gay possibly in a swap for Josh Smith? That would be awesome.

Ok, now's the time when everyone can respond and remind me that we don't have enough cap space to do all of this (hence the hopeful sign/trades). But before the trashing begins, a quick looks at this starting lineup...

PG: Lowry
SG: Stephenson
SF: Ariza
PF: Monroe
C: Drummond
Coach: SVG

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These 3 players will make about as much as Miamis big 3. All 3 are after Max deals and 2 will get them. That starting lineup would cost about 75 million in 3 yrs.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#62 » by Clarity » Thu May 22, 2014 9:07 pm

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rmfc wrote:An interesting name to add to the mix -- Reggie Jackson.


I agree. He should definitely be on our radar. I would take him over Jennings easily. He would at least be a great backup if he doesn't pan out as a starter.


As a general principle, we should always target all young OKC backups. They know how to find young talent.


rmfc wrote:An interesting name to add to the mix -- Reggie Jackson.


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rmfc wrote:An interesting name to add to the mix -- Reggie Jackson.


I agree. He should definitely be on our radar. I would take him over Jennings easily. He would at least be a great backup if he doesn't pan out as a starter.


Agree with all 3, Reggie would be a very nice upgrade.

OKC usually lucks into talent, they are beyond awful at developing it aside from throwing Westbook & Durant on the floor with no restraints on a 30 win team so they could learn. Lamb & especially PJ III should be way better than they are.

PJIII is someone I would really target, with proper coaching, reps & time his freak physical attributes could pay off huge.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#63 » by theBigLip » Thu May 22, 2014 10:05 pm

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theBigLip wrote:Is this too much to ask for a single offseason?

Lowry - sure, Toronto wants to keep him, but he is unrestricted. Dream scenario is they don't want to pay him, and accept a sign/trade and get Jennings. Ok, that might be a bit much, but hey, we could always throw in a future protected first :banghead:

Stephenson - he is looking like quite the stud right now, although so did BG the year before we overpaid for him. Indiana will have to dig deep to keep him. A bit more seriously this time, a KCP sign/trade might be possible. Or not.

Ariza - lots of SF options - Melo, Deng, Gay, but Ariza may be the most obtainable. Gay possibly in a swap for Josh Smith? That would be awesome.

Ok, now's the time when everyone can respond and remind me that we don't have enough cap space to do all of this (hence the hopeful sign/trades). But before the trashing begins, a quick looks at this starting lineup...

PG: Lowry
SG: Stephenson
SF: Ariza
PF: Monroe
C: Drummond
Coach: SVG

:droop:


These 3 players will make about as much as Miamis big 3. All 3 are after Max deals and 2 will get them. That starting lineup would cost about 75 million in 3 yrs.


Ariza isn't expecting a Max. If somehow we can turn JSmith into one of these guys :pray:, shell out the $$$ for the other, and get Ariza for a reasonable price, it would be worth it. That being said, we're not the only ones with a little cap space and there will be a lot of teams interested in all 3 of those players.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#64 » by Bakuto » Thu May 22, 2014 10:11 pm

I like Ariza, but I find that his only good years are his contract years. Isn't Lowry older? Like 30 or something? Not sure I'd want to throw what it takes to get Lowry at him to get him here.

Stephenson, I don't even know what to think of him.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#65 » by rmfc » Thu May 22, 2014 10:26 pm

Catalysm wrote:I like Ariza, but I find that his only good years are his contract years. Isn't Lowry older? Like 30 or something? Not sure I'd want to throw what it takes to get Lowry at him to get him here.

Stephenson, I don't even know what to think of him.


Lowry is 28 years old. Yeah, I think we should look elsewhere. Getting into a bidding contest for him doesn't really seem like a good idea. One more thing of note that he seems to get injured quite a bit (this current season being the exception).

It seems that Lowry is looking for a 4 yr ---10-12M per - contract.
http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/05/ ... r-4-years/

EDIT: Wouldnt go near Ariza. Regarding Stephenson, as has been mentioned several times already, it would be tough to handle a personality like that in our otherwise softy locker room.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#66 » by MotownMadness » Thu May 22, 2014 10:28 pm

Is Mills unrestricted?
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#67 » by Snakebites » Thu May 22, 2014 11:08 pm

Age to my mind isn't really a reason to shy away from Lowry.

He's still a great fit with Drummond over the next 4 years, and that's all that matters for that contract.

There's other reasons you might not want to get involved with him, but that's not one of them.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#68 » by DetroitDon15 » Thu May 22, 2014 11:41 pm

I hate Stevenson but love the idea of Deng at 10 mil per and want no part of Stevenson either.

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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#69 » by Pharaoh » Fri May 23, 2014 2:08 am

Approx $14 mil in cap space (assuming Chauncey goes to the office & we renounce Stuckey & CV):

We need veterans that will not only play their role on the floor but will bring some professionalism to the locker room.

Stephenson is a no for that reason, unless you believe SVG can get everyone to buy in.

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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#70 » by ImHeisenberg » Fri May 23, 2014 3:03 am

Pharaoh wrote:Approx $14 mil in cap space (assuming Chauncey goes to the office & we renounce Stuckey & CV):


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Peyton Siva have a team option on his contract, as well as Jorts?

They could create two more roster spots and a little less than $2 million if need be.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#71 » by The Penguin » Fri May 23, 2014 3:48 am

MotownMadness wrote:Is Mills unrestricted?



Yes

I think he'd be a great pickup. I'd be all for him & Jennings fighting it out to see who starts.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#72 » by The Penguin » Fri May 23, 2014 3:51 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Approx $14 mil in cap space (assuming Chauncey goes to the office & we renounce Stuckey & CV):


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Peyton Siva have a team option on his contract, as well as Jorts?

They could create two more roster spots and a little less than $2 million if need be.



I don't think it's worth letting them go. 12 spots have to be accounted for with min cap holds at ~500k, rather just spend the extra ~300k to have the two of them.

We'd get more cap room using the stretch provision on Bynum than declining the options of Siva & Jorts.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#73 » by Warspite » Fri May 23, 2014 8:47 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:Approx $14 mil in cap space (assuming Chauncey goes to the office & we renounce Stuckey & CV):


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Peyton Siva have a team option on his contract, as well as Jorts?

They could create two more roster spots and a little less than $2 million if need be.


You create 2mil in cap space and then lose 3mil in cap holds. Any salary under the NBA min (1.5mil) is a great place holder. Jorts and Siva give us cap by keeping them on the roster.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#74 » by ComboGuardCity » Sun May 25, 2014 1:28 am

The way Lance runs the pick and roll, it's almost like he could play point...that would be one hell of a gamble.


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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#75 » by Joe Berry » Sun May 25, 2014 3:39 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:The way Lance runs the pick and roll, it's almost like he could play point...that would be one hell of a gamble.


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if we can't get Lowry i would take it, Lance is running like half the Pacers offense already, he definitely has playmaker abilities and can defend multiple positions
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#76 » by Clarity » Sun May 25, 2014 6:06 am

Snakebites wrote:Age to my mind isn't really a reason to shy away from Lowry.

He's still a great fit with Drummond over the next 4 years, and that's all that matters for that contract.

There's other reasons you might not want to get involved with him, but that's not one of them.


Totally agree but Lowry isnt realistic, no way Toronto lets their building blocks walk.

A guy like Patty Mills is a much more realistic option as an upgrade to Jennings.
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Re: Lowery-Stephenson-Ariza 

Post#77 » by bobeenfly_est92 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:40 pm

Keep Josh Smith at the 4. & I think we'll have our selfs a new generation of Bad Boys.

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