Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

JayMKE · Post #401 » by **JayMKE** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:33 am

DanoMac wrote:
StikWitEM wrote:If Embiids back is hurt and Wiggins goes 1, it just makes me more annoyed that Cleveland won again with a 1.7 percent chance. We endured such a bad season and we can't even get the young promising wing player in the draft to help invigorate our roster.

It still makes me sick to my stomach. From 2003-2010 they were able to enjoy the wealth of one of the best ever to play the game. Their FO failed to surround LeBron with the proper pieces, but they were still perennial contenders every year.

Then LeBron leaves, they get Irving 1. Thompson 4. Waiters 4. Bennett 1. And now this? I still don't get it. I feel like I can't fully enjoy #2 because of Cleveland. I hope they **** up the pick so bad.

Stern pays his debts

wichmae · Post #402 » by **wichmae** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:40 am

Ayt wrote:Come on, people. Don't let the uninformed speculation of one random journalist affect you like that.

Ayt. Love ya bro. 1. Its not speculation 2. its a very connected journalist.

wichmae · Post #403 » by **wichmae** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:43 am

The whole issue can be evaluated and cleared by (really good friends of mine and outstanding) local spine physicians. When you refuse to allow a team to evaluate the biggest red flag you have (and biggest red flag in the draft) it isnt good news.

Wooderson · Post #404 » by **Wooderson** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:48 am

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It's gonna be a LONG month until the draft.

They think Wiggins has the most scoring potential? Amico is crap and it often just seems like he's making stuff up. I don't give him anymore credibility than Woelfel.

cinematographer · Post #405 » by **cinematographer** » Fri May 23, 2014 2:58 am

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Off topic, but is that gif from Da Ali G Show? Haven't seen it in a while but it kind of looks like the same set. If so, nice!

I hope I'm not the only one who read that "nice!" in Ali G's voice.

Post #406 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:01 am

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cleveland floats this story about the back injury being a recurring ailment. As a result Wiggins becomes the consensus #1 making their pick much more valuable while also devaluing the rest of the top 4 or 5. This causes a team like Philly to offer up a nice package for #1 and Cleveland trades back to #3. Philly takes Wiggins, Bucks take Parker, and Cleveland gets the guy they wanted all along... Embiid.

That is literally the exact thing I floated yesterday moments after the lotto. Makes a ton of sense.

Post #407 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:02 am

wichmae wrote:The whole issue can be evaluated and cleared by (really good friends of mine and outstanding) local spine physicians. When you refuse to allow a team to evaluate the biggest red flag you have (and biggest red flag in the draft) it isnt good news.

It isn't if you have no interest in playing for those teams.

blennz · Post #408 » by **blennz** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:03 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cleveland floats this story about the back injury being a recurring ailment. As a result Wiggins becomes the consensus #1 making their pick much more valuable while also devaluing the rest of the top 4 or 5. This causes a team like Philly to offer up a nice package for #1 and Cleveland trades back to #3. Philly takes Wiggins, Bucks take Parker, and Cleveland gets the guy they wanted all along... Embiid.

That is literally the exact thing I floated yesterday moments after the lotto. Makes a ton of sense.

There is just one problem with that Cleveland is not that smart to pull that off.

Zeezprah · Post #409 » by **Zeezprah** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:06 am

blennz wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cleveland floats this story about the back injury being a recurring ailment. As a result Wiggins becomes the consensus #1 making their pick much more valuable while also devaluing the rest of the top 4 or 5. This causes a team like Philly to offer up a nice package for #1 and Cleveland trades back to #3. Philly takes Wiggins, Bucks take Parker, and Cleveland gets the guy they wanted all along... Embiid.

That is literally the exact thing I floated yesterday moments after the lotto. Makes a ton of sense.

There is just one problem with that Cleveland is not that smart to pull that off.

the real problem is philly has nothing to offer in a "nice package". they have essentially 0 talent on their current roster, and they'd have to be idiots to offer up next year's first as they'll be in the exact same position as this year. i also highly doubt the give up the 10th pick with such a dire need for talent.

philly's not moving up

Baddy Chuck · Post #410 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:06 am

That's a lot of thinking for the guy who panicked and drafted Anthony Bennett #1.

Post #411 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:11 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:That's a lot of thinking for the guy who panicked and drafted Anthony Bennett #1.

Chris Grant is gone.

El Duderino · Post #412 » by **El Duderino** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:16 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cleveland floats this story about the back injury being a recurring ailment. As a result Wiggins becomes the consensus #1 making their pick much more valuable while also devaluing the rest of the top 4 or 5. This causes a team like Philly to offer up a nice package for #1 and Cleveland trades back to #3. Philly takes Wiggins, Bucks take Parker, and Cleveland gets the guy they wanted all along... Embiid.

That is literally the exact thing I floated yesterday moments after the lotto. Makes a ton of sense.

Not to me it doesn't

If i'm the Cavs GM and come to these conclusions

1. Embiid is the best player in the draft

2. His back isn't a major concern

No way would i take the risk of trying to pull off a scheme to get him with say the third pick and then the Bucks surprise me by taking Embiid. I'd be stuck spending the rest of my tenure as GM just praying that Embiid doesn't become a great player elsewhere which i screwed up big time by trying to get tricky, especially once it got leaked out to the media why Embiid is starring on another team instead of the Cavs. The risk of that nightmare scenario happening wouldn't be anywhere near worth just landing another first round pick who very likely wouldn't become a franchise changing player like the first overall pick can.

th87 · Post #413 » by **th87** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:19 am

Tough decisions.

Is it easier to develop a handle, or to increase your lateral quickness?

breakchains · Post #414 » by **breakchains** » Fri May 23, 2014 3:57 am

Hope the stuff regarding the Cavs and Embiid is true. I doubt it is though.

cinematographer · Post #415 » by **cinematographer** » Fri May 23, 2014 4:01 am

th87 wrote:Tough decisions.

Is it easier to develop a handle, or to increase your lateral quickness?

Lateral quickness is in the same family of vertical leap. It can be trained to improve, but at the same time, you're never getting into the upper echelon.

Dropping 20 pounds would probably do as much if not more for Parker's lateral quickness than all the cone and shuffle drills he can handle this summer.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #416 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:04 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Here's a conspiracy theory for you: Cleveland floats this story about the back injury being a recurring ailment. As a result Wiggins becomes the consensus #1 making their pick much more valuable while also devaluing the rest of the top 4 or 5. This causes a team like Philly to offer up a nice package for #1 and Cleveland trades back to #3. Philly takes Wiggins, Bucks take Parker, and Cleveland gets the guy they wanted all along... Embiid.

That is literally the exact thing I floated yesterday moments after the lotto. Makes a ton of sense.

To be fair, I thought of it first when I saw draft day 2 months ago....

th87 · Post #417 » by **th87** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:23 am

cinematographer wrote:
th87 wrote:Tough decisions.

Is it easier to develop a handle, or to increase your lateral quickness?

Lateral quickness is in the same family of vertical leap. It can be trained to improve, but at the same time, you're never getting into the upper echelon.

Dropping 20 pounds would probably do as much if not more for Parker's lateral quickness than all the cone and shuffle drills he can handle this summer.

That's what I'd suspect. So if Parker gets lean, could he be a comparable prospect to Wiggins? Kind of reminds me of the Deron Williams situation - concerns of him being fat, but he got in shape and became a totally different player.

I"m leaning Wiggins. I see the crazy upside, but his game seems somewhat out of control today. And I know everyone hates this concept, but the "gamer mentality" is a thing to me. Maybe he'll become so good/skilled that he wouldn't need that type of mentality to excel (like Lebron), but it certainly wouldn't hurt (as with Jordan, Kobe, and Rodgers). Is that something you can pick up? I'm not sure.

Going to be an agonizing month.

Siefer · Post #418 » by **Siefer** » Fri May 23, 2014 5:34 am

El Duderino wrote:My worst case scenario is that Arn Tellem doesn't let any teams or just the Bucks not have access to Embiid's medical records and the Cavs take Wiggins. Then Bucks management between Hammond/the new owners are to scared to take Embiid for health reasons, and we end up taking Parker.
.

Yep. I want one of Wiggins, Embiid, or Exum. I doubt we're taking Exum at two, so we really need Embiid's back to check out.

Post #419 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri May 23, 2014 6:11 am

El Duderino wrote:Besides the fact that i'd love a healthy Embiid on the Bucks, another reason i want his health to check out is that then it opens the door to my best case scenario of either Embiid or Wiggins being there at the 2nd pick.

I'm in your camp.

But also at this point, since I think Embiid has easily the highest ceiling if he pans out, I almost want him to go #1 since that would alleviate the traditional Milwaukee angst problem we all have.

If Embiid is the next Hakeem, we can simply resign ourselves to the fact we didn't get the #1 overall. If Embiid has injury issues, we can say we are glad Cleveland took the tough decision out of our hands and equally important pushed Wiggins down to us.

As it relates to fan mental health now and in the future, the worst case scenario for us on draft night IMO is if Cleveland takes Wiggins. Then we will collectively panace about Embiid's health versus passing on Jabari versus settling for a lower ceiling player like Jabari.

JHSFIVE · Post #420 » by **JHSFIVE** » Fri May 23, 2014 6:13 am

xTitan wrote:Parker is no grant hill, doesn't make anyone around him better

While I agree with him not being grant hill, saying that he doesnt make players around him better is a tad crazy... duke was able to be such a perimeter shooting team because Parker was such a matchup problem that teams couldn't just play man forever, had to play zone and coach ks counter was the 3 pt shooting...

Also, while I'd probably pick wiggins over Parker right now because I think AW can play and defend the 2 at an elite level, I do believe that Parker is getting zero respect...

It's funny how there is so much talk about how the Kansas system might have not properly displayed some of AWs talents, meanwhile the same hasn't been said much regarding Parker.

Parker was dukes only interior threat this season... Think about that for a second.

I don't buy into the Parker weight talk, either... Based on his role this past season I think it's fair to say that his high weight was by design. Parker was their big... Coach K is trying to win ballgames.. Not trying to be the best prep for the one and done folks of today.... See coach calipari for that.

I kind of wish that Parker would have stayed one more season now that they have okafor as the post guy.