Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[paulpressey25]

No way would i take the risk of trying to pull off a scheme to get him with say the third pick and then the Bucks surprise me by taking Embiid.

This wasn't an entirely similar situation, but in 1993, Orlando had the #1 overall and played a lot of mind games before they got Golden State and Don Nelson to pay up in order to move up from #3 to #1 to take Chris Webber when many said that Orlando wanted Penny Hardaway all along.

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Tough decisions.

Is it easier to develop a handle, or to increase your lateral quickness?

Lateral quickness is in the same family of vertical leap. It can be trained to improve, but at the same time, you're never getting into the upper echelon.

Dropping 20 pounds would probably do as much if not more for Parker's lateral quickness than all the cone and shuffle drills he can handle this summer.

That's what I'd suspect. So if Parker gets lean, could he be a comparable prospect to Wiggins? Kind of reminds me of the Deron Williams situation - concerns of him being fat, but he got in shape and became a totally different player.

I"m leaning Wiggins. I see the crazy upside, but his game seems somewhat out of control today. And I know everyone hates this concept, but the "gamer mentality" is a thing to me. Maybe he'll become so good/skilled that he wouldn't need that type of mentality to excel (like Lebron), but it certainly wouldn't hurt (as with Jordan, Kobe, and Rodgers). Is that something you can pick up? I'm not sure.

Going to be an agonizing month.

The D-Will situation is a decent comp, but it isn't like he became Derrick Rose or John Wall, either. The stratosphere that Wiggins is in just isn't in Parker's body. But if you take the 'twenty pound backpack' off Parker, and his training AND diet becomes such that he isn't putting on any extra pounds that he can't make up for in explosion and power, there is room for improvement. I don't think he gets to Carmelo-athletic, though: Melo was born with that first step.

A team drafting him to be a 3 will want Parker to shed that excess by his second season. A team with patience might prefer him to do more of a 'body recomp'. A team wanting him to be a 4 will want a different sort of recomp.

[Willie Colon]

Wiggins vs. Smart video breakdown from DX. Wiggins made one FG while being guarded by Smart in 3 games.

http://www.draftexpress.com/video/11458/

Somebody email DX and tell them to stop wasting their time with these useless videos. More pics of how high players can jump plz.

[Willie Colon]

Lateral quickness is in the same family of vertical leap. It can be trained to improve, but at the same time, you're never getting into the upper echelon.

Dropping 20 pounds would probably do as much if not more for Parker's lateral quickness than all the cone and shuffle drills he can handle this summer.

That's what I'd suspect. So if Parker gets lean, could he be a comparable prospect to Wiggins? Kind of reminds me of the Deron Williams situation - concerns of him being fat, but he got in shape and became a totally different player.

I"m leaning Wiggins. I see the crazy upside, but his game seems somewhat out of control today. And I know everyone hates this concept, but the "gamer mentality" is a thing to me. Maybe he'll become so good/skilled that he wouldn't need that type of mentality to excel (like Lebron), but it certainly wouldn't hurt (as with Jordan, Kobe, and Rodgers). Is that something you can pick up? I'm not sure.

Going to be an agonizing month.

The D-Will situation is a decent comp, but it isn't like he became Derrick Rose or John Wall, either. The stratosphere that Wiggins is in just isn't in Parker's body. But if you take the 'twenty pound backpack' off Parker, and his training AND diet becomes such that he isn't putting on any extra pounds that he can't make up for in explosion and power, there is room for improvement. I don't think he gets to Carmelo-athletic, though: Melo was born with that first step.

A team drafting him to be a 3 will want Parker to shed that excess by his second season. A team with patience might prefer him to do more of a 'body recomp'. A team wanting him to be a 4 will want a different sort of recomp.

But he became a pretty damn good player. Averaged a double-double on great efficiency for 4 years in a row. A legit top two point guard.

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But he became a pretty damn good player. Averaged a double-double on great efficiency for 4 years in a row. A legit top two point guard.

He was certainly an offensive juggernaut.

[76ciology]

How do you guys feel if Bucks drafts Exum. He kind of suits perfectly with BKnight and Giannis. And as per dbodner of draftexpress, he think Exum and Wiggins are his picks to be the top players in this draft. With Exum as the guy who'd most likely reach his ceiling compared to Wiggins.

[Baddy Chuck]

I love all the not so subtle reverse psychology you get from fans of other teams when you are ahead of them .

[Diggr14]

I dont think the Bucks would draft Exum unless they traded down to 4. I like Exum, but I'd prefer Parker. If Philly wants the #2 pick, its going to cost you the 10th pick and probably a little more. I dont see Wiggins or Parker sliding to 3. Embiid will drop to 3 because of the injury concerns. Even at 3, i still dont see us picking Exum.

Moral of the story is, if you want a top 2 pick.. in this draft, you will pay out of the nose for it. You can pretty much pencil in Wiggins and Parker to many all-star games over the next 10 years. The price will go up even more, especially, if Embiid's back doesn't check out. That would bring the list of can't miss guys to 2... with high upside guys of Embiid and Exum on that 2nd tier. The price just goes up that much more if this is the case.

Honestly, Philly needs one of Parker or Wiggins. MCW and Noel already occupy the spots Exum and Embiid would play. They'd be stupid not to trade multiple picks to move up, I doubt they get this chance at prolific players like this in the draft for a while.

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Besides the fact that i'd love a healthy Embiid on the Bucks, another reason i want his health to check out is that then it opens the door to my best case scenario of either Embiid or Wiggins being there at the 2nd pick.

I'm in your camp.

But also at this point, since I think Embiid has easily the highest ceiling if he pans out, I almost want him to go #1 since that would alleviate the traditional Milwaukee angst problem we all have.

If Embiid is the next Hakeem, we can simply resign ourselves to the fact we didn't get the #1 overall. If Embiid has injury issues, we can say we are glad Cleveland took the tough decision out of our hands and equally important pushed Wiggins down to us.

As it relates to fan mental health now and in the future, the worst case scenario for us on draft night IMO is if Cleveland takes Wiggins. Then we will collectively panace about Embiid's health versus passing on Jabari versus settling for a lower ceiling player like Jabari.

Cleveland taking Wiggins is my worst fear. Embiid doesn't want to be here and wont let us in on his back issues. For me if Wiggins goes #1 we may want to consider Exum, even if its a trade down.

I'd rather have Exum over Parker.

[76ciology]

I dont think the Bucks would draft Exum unless they traded down to 4. I like Exum, but I'd prefer Parker. If Philly wants the #2 pick, its going to cost you the 10th pick and probably a little more. I dont see Wiggins or Parker sliding to 3. Embiid will drop to 3 because of the injury concerns. Even at 3, i still dont see us picking Exum.

Moral of the story is, if you want a top 2 pick.. in this draft, you will pay out of the nose for it. You can pretty much pencil in Wiggins and Parker to many all-star games over the next 10 years. The price will go up even more, especially, if Embiid's back doesn't check out. That would bring the list of can't miss guys to 2... with high upside guys of Embiid and Exum on that 2nd tier. The price just goes up that much more if this is the case.

Honestly, Philly needs one of Parker or Wiggins. MCW and Noel already occupy the spots Exum and Embiid would play. They'd be stupid not to trade multiple picks to move up, I doubt they get this chance at prolific players like this in the draft for a while.

With regards to upside, I also think Exum and Wiggins are at par. The problem is there's going to be a logjam with MCW at the PG position if we draft Exum. If Wiggins is taken, I'm ok if we draft Parker because I believe he has the intangibles to be a star SF, specially with his ability to create shots combined with his elite size and good shooting touch. And we have MCW and Noel to mask his defensive deficiencies. He's also the guy Noel wish to play with
MCW.

So really, if it all comes down to Exum and Jabari. I'm good with either one of them.

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How do you guys feel if Bucks drafts Exum. He kind of suits perfectly with BKnight and Giannis. And as per dbodner of draftexpress, he think Exum and Wiggins are his picks to be the top players in this draft. With Exum as the guy who'd most likely reach his ceiling compared to Wiggins.

Bugs Bunny tricks don't really work around here. Duck season, Wabbit season.

Translated: Take Exum so that we can get our guy Wiggins.

[76ciology]

Besides the fact that i'd love a healthy Embiid on the Bucks, another reason i want his health to check out is that then it opens the door to my best case scenario of either Embiid or Wiggins being there at the 2nd pick.

I'm in your camp.

But also at this point, since I think Embiid has easily the highest ceiling if he pans out, I almost want him to go #1 since that would alleviate the traditional Milwaukee angst problem we all have.

If Embiid is the next Hakeem, we can simply resign ourselves to the fact we didn't get the #1 overall. If Embiid has injury issues, we can say we are glad Cleveland took the tough decision out of our hands and equally important pushed Wiggins down to us.

As it relates to fan mental health now and in the future, the worst case scenario for us on draft night IMO is if Cleveland takes Wiggins. Then we will collectively panace about Embiid's health versus passing on Jabari versus settling for a lower ceiling player like Jabari.

Cleveland taking Wiggins is my worst fear. Embiid doesn't want to be here and wont let us in on his back issues. For me if Wiggins goes #1 we may want to consider Exum, even if its a trade down.

I'd rather have Exum over Parker.

I think Cavs will draft Wiggins.

I don't think you draft an injury risk with your no.1 pick. I also think Cavs will go with the consensus pick this time after the embrassment they got with Benett. Lastly, Wiggins can play SG so he can play with either Deng or Cavs' pipedream of having LbJ back.

Now, I need you guys to pass up Embiid because I like him. But i'm ok with Jabari due to fit and star ability or Exum because of his upside.

Personally, I think exum is best with your team. He's an high upside guy. Low maintenance. And would fit perfectly with Knight and Giannis. I just think he's too unknown to be drafted that high. Maybe we can let you guys interrogate Brett Brown and let him spill the truth. LOL

[76ciology]

How do you guys feel if Bucks drafts Exum. He kind of suits perfectly with BKnight and Giannis. And as per dbodner of draftexpress, he think Exum and Wiggins are his picks to be the top players in this draft. With Exum as the guy who'd most likely reach his ceiling compared to Wiggins.

Bugs Bunny tricks don't really work around here. Duck season, Wabbit season.

Translated: Take Exum so that we can get our guy Wiggins.

Check our forum. I don't like Wiggins. I even question his elite length. He's 6'8" 7'0 wingspan is just average in the NBA as per draftexpress.

I want Embiid.

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Say it's 6'8" height and 7'0 wingspan. Do you consider that length to be elite at the SF position? Honestly, If I haven't seen his measurements in draftexpress, I'm guessing he has around 6'9 height and 7'1 to 7'2 wingspan.

I think it's good measurement. Almost pre-requisite length measurement for any star SF. But is it elite? Elite for me is KD, Kawhi, Rudy Gay or T-Mac type length.

Again, don't get me wrong. I love Wiggins. I have him no.2 behind Embiid in my list. I think he has high potential. But I just don't think he can dominate guys in the NBA just by his shear length and athleticism. I think his skillset has a lot to improve on. And at his young age and current fundamentals, I think he can improve.

And improving his skillset would be important specially nowadays in the league, where almost every team has one swingman "stopper" to counter the Kevin Durants or the LBJ of this league.

Now, this is my post about Wiggins and his length.

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I think Cavs will draft Wiggins.

I don't think you draft an injury risk with your no.1 pick. I also think Cavs will go with the consensus pick this time after the embrassment they got with Benett. Lastly, Wiggins can play SG so he can play with either Deng or Cavs' pipedream of having LbJ back.

Now, I need you guys to pass up Embiid because I like him. But i'm ok with Jabari due to fit and star ability or Exum because of his upside.

Personally, I think exum is best with your team. He's an high upside guy. Low maintenance. And would fit perfectly with Knight and Giannis. I just think he's too unknown to be drafted that high. Maybe we can let you guys interrogate Brett Brown and let him spill the truth. LOL

They may. I still think they draft Embiid as long as his health checks out. Obviously if it doesn't then no they pass. If they pass I honestly see us passing as well. You want them and us to pass on Embiid due to the injury risk but then you take him?

You're right though on one front. If we pass on Embiid and Wiggins is off the board I would agree that Exum may be our best choice.

I totally disagree that Parker has star ability. His biggest asset imo is being NBA ready. Wiggins, Embiid if healthy and Exum are my 3 for star potential.

With that, from a need / fit perspective we are terrible team and honestly can add at any position. Knight is not our long term starter at SG. Wiggins is my #1 option and my ideal fit. The only positions we have filled is SF and Giannis can play SG and arguably C. Oh and don't count out Wolters who could very well be a steady starting PG with the cast around him.

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How do you guys feel if Bucks drafts Exum. He kind of suits perfectly with BKnight and Giannis. And as per dbodner of draftexpress, he think Exum and Wiggins are his picks to be the top players in this draft. With Exum as the guy who'd most likely reach his ceiling compared to Wiggins.

Bugs Bunny tricks don't really work around here. Duck season, Wabbit season.

Translated: Take Exum so that we can get our guy Wiggins.

Check our forum. I don't like Wiggins. I even question his elite length. He's 6'8" 7'0 wingspan is just average in the NBA as per draftexpress.

I want Embiid.

That's fine. My point still stands. You just want to talk us out of Embiid then. Effectively there are 2 stars in Wiggins and Embiid. We will likely get one of them if we feel its a reasonable risk to take.

[tedbrogen]

If Wiggins goes #1 and the Bucks decide they want Exum, they should really just trade #2 to the Magic for #4 and #12 and take Exum at #4. Would the Magic do 4 and 12 for 2 though?

[Buckfan76]

If the Cavs take Wiggins. It comes down to I think we need to look to trade out of the #2 pick. Because if Embidd doesn't want to come to us, look to trade maybe w/ Philly cause Philly could take Embiid. Or we find a team who wants Embiid. But I agree we should look at Exum, but he does have boom or bust potential. I think we'd need to trade with someone in the top 5 to get Exum because I think ORL could take Exum. So maybe a trade w/ Philly?

[76ciology]

If the Cavs take Wiggins. It comes down to I think we need to look to trade out of the #2 pick. Because if Embidd doesn't want to come to us, look to trade maybe w/ Philly cause Philly could take Embiid. Or we find a team who wants Embiid. But I agree we should look at Exum, but he does have boom or bust potential. I think we'd need to trade with someone in the top 5 to get Exum because I think ORL could take Exum. So maybe a trade w/ Philly?

I read Magic wants Exum. So there's that.


IF philly wants Embiid, I can see them trading with the Bucks for the no.2. I don't know, Philly has a handful of 2nds that they can package with Thad to get a late first from a mid to late first team that they can add with no.3 to trade with you guys.

And if Wiggins is available at second, I then expect you guys to select him. And I have no issues if we end up with Jabari or Exum as consolation price.

[76ciology]

Bugs Bunny tricks don't really work around here. Duck season, Wabbit season.

Translated: Take Exum so that we can get our guy Wiggins.

Check our forum. I don't like Wiggins. I even question his elite length. He's 6'8" 7'0 wingspan is just average in the NBA as per draftexpress.

I want Embiid.

That's fine. My point still stands. You just want to talk us out of Embiid then. Effectively there are 2 stars in Wiggins and Embiid. We will likely get one of them if we feel its a reasonable risk to take.

Yup, then that's why I was telling you guys that a credible person from draftexpress who is our moderator said that he has Wiggins or Exum as his prediction to be the top 2 guys in the draft so that in case Wiggins is taken and if embiid is a health risk or doesn't want to play with you guys, you guys can consider Exum.