Simmons: Reinsdorf Runs Bulls Like Small Market Team

[fleet]

While I think Simmons seems to be a big time D-bag, he sits on the panel of one of the main NBA shows on a national channel. A lot of people only watch at this time of the year or they might read his blogs because of the humor. But, he keeps fueling the perception or whatever thoughts he has.

Maybe he has an agenda or something bad has happened between him/Bulls but we have no idea. But, there was Woj before and now Simmons, Barkley all putting out dirt on the Bulls.

I think it might matter to some NBA people. But, there is nothing Reinsdorf can do right now but to take the hit from the Deng move even if it was the right one. I don't think Reinsdorf is cheap but they have done a lot of financial moves which makes it easy to perceive them as cheap.

You can also bet that Simmons or someone will be praising the Bulls financial management if they pull of signing a Melo or Love(or both) and some good pieces around them.

Look at the Lakers now. They have screwed up their reputation in the FO enough with all kinds of dumb things making Dwight leave and I doubt Melo or Love want to go there even if they had a top 3 pick to sell. They are relying on the sunny weather/hollywood reputation right now.

Lots of things being said, pro and con in Bulls nation. And outside of Bulls nation about the Bulls. Most of it is not based on complete information. We'll know more soon perhaps. ATM, People are trying to support their visions with only a small fraction of the story told.

[Mech Engineer]

While I think Simmons seems to be a big time D-bag, he sits on the panel of one of the main NBA shows on a national channel. A lot of people only watch at this time of the year or they might read his blogs because of the humor. But, he keeps fueling the perception or whatever thoughts he has.

Maybe he has an agenda or something bad has happened between him/Bulls but we have no idea. But, there was Woj before and now Simmons, Barkley all putting out dirt on the Bulls.

I think it might matter to some NBA people. But, there is nothing Reinsdorf can do right now but to take the hit from the Deng move even if it was the right one. I don't think Reinsdorf is cheap but they have done a lot of financial moves which makes it easy to perceive them as cheap.

You can also bet that Simmons or someone will be praising the Bulls financial management if they pull of signing a Melo or Love(or both) and some good pieces around them.

Look at the Lakers now. They have screwed up their reputation in the FO enough with all kinds of dumb things making Dwight leave and I doubt Melo or Love want to go there even if they had a top 3 pick to sell. They are relying on the sunny weather/hollywood reputation right now.

Lots of things being said, pro and con in Bulls nation. And outside of Bulls nation about the Bulls. Most of it is not based on complete information. We'll know more soon perhaps. ATM, People are trying to support their visions with only a small fraction of the story told.

The thing though is most outsiders will not know the details or do the research. But, when it comes to making decisions...there is not enough time to assimilate all the details/analyze them. You go based on some facts available and stats get manipulated whether it is basketball or financial.

Somebody can show look how cheap the Bulls are with the Deng move when they got only limited assets back. It is the same as how some posters use some stats to push their agenda without putting out the whole context.

[Leslie Forman]

Well...he's right. Would you rather have the media blowing smoke up your butt? Tell you Jerry's number one priority is winning? Come on.

[Ice Man]

I don't think it's an unreasonable argument to suggest that ownership spend more on the team for the fans that helped their investment to become so valuable. (If it's worth $2 billion, then the owners have made 1000-fold their initital 1981 investment.) At the least, it's worth a discussion ... yes, corporations like the Bulls don't have to do anything but maximize every penny of profits, but in practice when companies become sufficiently large and successful, they usually try to be good local citizens and give back to the community, by sponsoring charities, funding park development, etc. Giving back to the community by spending a bit more on ball players would I think be similar.

At any rate, while I am not saying that Simmons is right, I don't think it's a silly argument to raise.

[organix85]

Lol... and you guys are insinuating that what he said wasn't correct? We 100% do not run like we are the third biggest market. Who are we trying to kid here?

[Ctownbulls]

hes right - and that is why people, including myself, like him. he is a voice for the fans not just some guy who is going to say the politically right thing everytime

[ChiTownNation]

We had the 4th highest payroll entering the season and didn't make cost cutting moves until after we knew rose was done. Check your facts Simmons.

http://blog.surepayroll.com/nba-payrolls-2013-2014/

[ChiTownNation]

Oh and our payroll was bigger than both LA teams

[Red8911]

Hes right and with income bulls make,the team could be in the tax every year and not suffer.That deng trade was ridiculous and proves how cheap jerry is..

[Bulls_Fan]

Getting rid of Deng was a move that simply lined the pockets of JR. We got nothing in that deal except 2nd rounders. Don't kid yourself on that Kings pick people.

For years and years the Bulls have been run like a hot dog stand. The books had to balance and the thought of being in the luxury tax (which we were in) was so distasteful that they ran it with 9 and 10 guys (sometimes less if you consider the players Thibs refuses to play).

For years on end the BUlls have been near the top of the attendance board. Even during the crappy years when 30 wins was seen as a huge accomplshment, we were selling out, raking in the profits for board.

No one is expecting the Bulls to go 30-40 million into the luxury tax. But when we lose players because we won't go a few million into the red it is disconcerting.

[jc23]

Always right before draft and FA there's a massive Bulls smear campgain

me thnks somebody wants Love to go somewhere else lol. And we want melo more anyway.

[jc23]

We had the 4th highest payroll entering the season and didn't make cost cutting moves until after we knew rose was done. Check your facts Simmons.

http://blog.surepayroll.com/nba-payrolls-2013-2014/

ya JR isnt cheap, but he doesnt spend as much as he could to win either.

[Bulls_Fan]

We had the 4th highest payroll entering the season and didn't make cost cutting moves until after we knew rose was done. Check your facts Simmons.

http://blog.surepayroll.com/nba-payrolls-2013-2014/

Bulls listed @ 73m on Hoopshype and 71m on Shamsports.

[bad knees]

Reinsdorf runs the Bulls like it is a business, which is different from, but happens to look a lot like, running it like a small market team. For other owners, their NBA team is an expensive hobby. They care about the money some, but are willing to take more financial risks.

[coldfish]

There are a small handful of big spending teams. Chicago is not one of them.
There is a small group of teams that a super cheap. Chicago is not one of them.

Chicago is run like the majority of teams. They will spend when they have to but generally try to avoid it.

I think the rub is that the Bulls really could be a big spender and unless your name is NY, big spending does help winning.

[dougthonus]

JR definitely isn't throwing all caution to the wind with his spending.

The irony is that Simmons rips on teams who do that when they don't make good moves (see some of his scathing articles about the Knicks/Nets).

So the question really is: Has Reinsdorf let his penchant for finances get in the way of making good moves?

The answer to that in the Rose era would appear to be "no". In the pre-Rose era when we decided not to move P.J. Brown's contract and dumped Tyson Chandler the answer may have been "yes", but the team wasn't as ready to win back then either.

[Rerisen]

While a lot of this criticism is premature and unfair as opposed to the in flux summer we are yet in, its not necessarily a bad thing to have in the atmosphere as it really puts pressure on our FO to make a big splash this summer.

If we come away with nothing but a worse player and savings from the trade of Deng, that will actually add a lot of ammo to the legitimacy of such criticisms being lobbed.

[molepharmer]

[ATRAIN53]

Not sure why this guy is constantly trying to unravel this org-


He keeps fueling all the Thibs rumors and now he's gong after JR?

So this guy is basically just a former AOL column jockey who has vaulted himself onto ESPN and NBA Countdown. I'd been trying to enjoy some of his podcasts but he's way to Boston oriented and seems like he's just tryign to stir things up to keep himself relevant.

How about Picking on Cleveland for a while, you know they are gonna make the wrong pick...

[coldfish]

JR definitely isn't throwing all caution to the wind with his spending.

The irony is that Simmons rips on teams who do that when they don't make good moves (see some of his scathing articles about the Knicks/Nets).

So the question really is: Has Reinsdorf let his penchant for finances get in the way of making good moves?

The answer to that in the Rose era would appear to be "no". In the pre-Rose era when we decided not to move P.J. Brown's contract and dumped Tyson Chandler the answer may have been "yes", but the team wasn't as ready to win back then either.

If you go back, year by year since Rose was drafted, there really aren't many decision points. They tanked for capspace in 2010, which was the logical move but prevented any deep spending. The year after that, they really couldn't get above the tax line. The year after that, Rose was injured and they dumped Asik and Korver.

Let's put it this way, if Rose had a Adrian Petersen like comeback from his ACL and been playing well by January but the team went on to lose in the playoffs, people would have been screaming about the Asik and Korver dumps. Rose's injuries has basically insulated the Bulls from spending complaints.