Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[Wise1]

If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

[Zeezprah]

not really at all

it's just being naive thinking he's ok/good to go because he dunked in a gym.

would rather over do it than blindly convince myself everythings cool

[Wooderson]

still can't believe people think embiid dunking in a setting like that means everythings fine or even close to fine. like i've said before, pain killers and the like can make a lot of pain go away.

What in the world would pain killers have to do with anything? The problems he supposedly might possibly have would be reoccurring stress fractures in his back, once they heal back up before he got another he wouldn't need painkillers to get him through anything.

we really don't know with 100% certainty the issues with his back. it's not unfeasible he could still be having issues and using shots/pills/etc to make it look like he's fine. back issues aren't usually things that just go away quickly.

This doesn't add up to me. It seemed pretty likely that Embiid would be back for the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament if KU had advanced. And here we are two months later with Embiid looking more athletic than ever while carrying more weight. I'm not denying that there's real concern of how his back holds up in the future, but you're reaching. The reaction to Amico's report about Cleveland basically writing off Embiid because of injury is way overblown. No one should trust anything that guy writes.

[chonestown]

The most amazing thing in this thread is that someone likes Bill Walton.

Has to be a way to minus one this post.

[Zeezprah]

What in the world would pain killers have to do with anything? The problems he supposedly might possibly have would be reoccurring stress fractures in his back, once they heal back up before he got another he wouldn't need painkillers to get him through anything.

we really don't know with 100% certainty the issues with his back. it's not unfeasible he could still be having issues and using shots/pills/etc to make it look like he's fine. back issues aren't usually things that just go away quickly.

This doesn't add up to me. It seemed pretty likely that Embiid would be back for the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament if KU had advanced. And here we are two months later with Embiid looking more athletic than ever while carrying more weight. I'm not denying that there's real concern of how his back holds up in the future, but you're reaching. The reaction to Amico's report about Cleveland basically writing off Embiid because of injury is way overblown. No one should trust anything that guy writes.

i'm not believing any of those reports because i believe he'll go number 1 easily if everything checks out

that said, i don't think i'm reaching at all. there's people on here that would just take him blindly. i'm not in that camp. i would evaluate the chit out of him. as well as all the prospects.

[Ill-yasova]

not really at all

it's just being naive thinking he's ok/good to go because he dunked in a gym.

would rather over do it than blindly convince myself everythings cool

He was going to play in the next round if Kansas had won their first tournament game. He missed a month of one college season. I'd like to see doctor's reports too, but there isn't enough evidence to support a lingering back issue for me to pass him up.

[Zeezprah]

not really at all

it's just being naive thinking he's ok/good to go because he dunked in a gym.

would rather over do it than blindly convince myself everythings cool

He was going to play in the next round if Kansas had won their first tournament game. He missed a month of one college season. I'd like to see doctor's reports too, but there isn't enough evidence to support a lingering back issue for me to pass him up.

if true, he should be able to fly through all those appointments then. that's all i'm saying.

[Ill-yasova]

not really at all

it's just being naive thinking he's ok/good to go because he dunked in a gym.

would rather over do it than blindly convince myself everythings cool

He was going to play in the next round if Kansas had won their first tournament game. He missed a month of one college season. I'd like to see doctor's reports too, but there isn't enough evidence to support a lingering back issue for me to pass him up.

if true, he should be able to fly through all those appointments then. that's all i'm saying.

Agreed. Hopefully he will.

[Baddy Chuck]

if true, he should be able to fly through all those appointments then. that's all i'm saying.

That's a lot different then saying he's probably just floating through these workouts on cortisone shots and percocets.

[Wooderson]

we really don't know with 100% certainty the issues with his back. it's not unfeasible he could still be having issues and using shots/pills/etc to make it look like he's fine. back issues aren't usually things that just go away quickly.

This doesn't add up to me. It seemed pretty likely that Embiid would be back for the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tournament if KU had advanced. And here we are two months later with Embiid looking more athletic than ever while carrying more weight. I'm not denying that there's real concern of how his back holds up in the future, but you're reaching. The reaction to Amico's report about Cleveland basically writing off Embiid because of injury is way overblown. No one should trust anything that guy writes.

i'm not believing any of those reports because i believe he'll go number 1 easily if everything checks out

that said, i don't think i'm reaching at all. there's people on here that would just take him blindly. i'm not in that camp. i would evaluate the chit out of him. as well as all the prospects.

None of us know his actual medical reports, nor could we accurately analyze them. We are not qualified to really comment on Embiid's future health (except maybe Jez if he had access to medical records and a physical). I don't understand why Embiid would be reckless by taking painkillers if the issue was still seriously lingering (especially because medical experts would account for the possibility of painkillers). I understand the concern in regards to his future, but the pain killer stuff I don't see.

[mlloyd10]

If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

Dont care about rookie of the year - Care about championships

[Wise1]

If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

Dont care about rookie of the year - Care about championships

Embiid will be the best player long term. I have Parker next so in my case, at pick 2, Parker gives me the best chance to win a chip out of the rest of the rookies.

[Zeezprah]

if true, he should be able to fly through all those appointments then. that's all i'm saying.

That's a lot different then saying he's probably just floating through these workouts on cortisone shots and percocets.

i didn't say he was or that it was even probable. my point is you can't take one workout where a guy looks good to go to mean anything when analyzing whether or not the back's ok. he could've gotten a chiropractic adjustment right after.

i didn't mean to get caught up in those details though. just meant short little samples where it's simply an eye test mean nothing to me. but that's my economics background that wants cold hard facts.

[driese0824]

still can't believe people think embiid dunking in a setting like that means everythings fine or even close to fine. like i've said before, pain killers and the like can make a lot of pain go away.

i want concrete medical records, and examinations by about 10 different independent doctors and my own before i invest the 2nd overall pick in this draft on him.

You know the mass on this board has such a hard on for embiid that he could pull down his pants take a big crap and people would still think he's the next duncon or Harlem cause he had better form on his squat.
You would think this guy is perfect in everything he does.
You hear people knock Wiggins,Parker and exam,yet the embiid lovers out there say he has no weaknesses.

[Baddy Chuck]

yet the embiid lovers out there say he has no weaknesses.

No they don't. Maybe breakchains in his Embiid loving prime.

[Ayt]

I'm firmly in the Embiid is the next Harlem camp.

[cinematographer]

cause he had better form on his squat.

Are there videos of Embiid squatting, power cleaning or snatching?

[bullox]

I'm firmly in the Embiid is the next Harlem camp.

Kid just started living life as a human, to expect him to develop in to a burrough of NYC would be putting a lot of pressure on him and chances are he wouldn't live up to those expectations.

All bets are off if he can pick up the Harlem / Dream Shake.

[blazza18]

If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

I love how it's already a certainty the Bucks will draft Parker instead of Wiggins in your eyes. Nothing from Hammond's draft history points to this happening at all.

[blazza18]

still can't believe people think embiid dunking in a setting like that means everythings fine or even close to fine. like i've said before, pain killers and the like can make a lot of pain go away.

i want concrete medical records, and examinations by about 10 different independent doctors and my own before i invest the 2nd overall pick in this draft on him.

You know the mass on this board has such a hard on for embiid that he could pull down his pants take a big crap and people would still think he's the next duncon or Harlem cause he had better form on his squat.
You would think this guy is perfect in everything he does.
You hear people knock Wiggins,Parker and exam,yet the embiid lovers out there say he has no weaknesses.

And here you are disagreeing with the masses just to disagree. Every single one of these consensus top 4 guys have been poked and prodded for months on this board, yet it's funny how people keep saying one of them never does.

Now in saying that. I want us to draft Exum because he's an Aussie and Aussies are perfect. His floor is a cross between Westbrook and Parker. His ceiling is the best player in the history of the league.