PG: Heartbreaking

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

Ehh im a mets fan and a nets fan losing is nothing new to me. I expect us to be at least a playoff team next few years im just saying its not like we havent all been there when our team has 5 losing seasons in a row, nothing we can do to change it just the curse of rooting for team that ends with Ets i guess.

That's kind of how I feel too. I don't think that anyone could claim that they met or exceeded expectations.
But the Nets gave me enough to be interested again. That's something. After all, it's only professional basketball. Nobody died and nobody got pregnant.

[NetsWorld]

The direction of the front office is more and more clear day by day; they want the same core back for next year and believe that we can make another run next year. KG at 38 can come off the bench for a limited 15 minutes with Lopez coming back. Lopez coming back, as long as he's healthy is a big add for us offensively. Deron finally going for surgery will be big as well. Billy has made it clear he feels continuity is going to be key. If changes are made this offseason, atleast drastic ones, it will be based solely on FA decisions other players for the team makes.

[wpdougie2180]

This is why JJ couldn't score on the last play

[wpdougie2180]

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[treiz]

^So you think that those extra 16 FTs the Heat had was worth a lot more than having to go over 4 minutes without scoring? Yeah the officiating wasn't great but to count this loss on 16 extra FTs is nonsensical, when in reality we had a comfortable 9 point lead, JJ was on fire and we managed to crap the bed in the next 4 minutes.

This was on us, despite JJ, KG and Pierce being awesome in the 4th, they didn't execute when we needed them the most, they couldn't close the game and brought them back in with timely 3s from Allen and Bosh. That essentially cost us this game.

These sort of refereeing mistakes happens in every single professional sport, is all other sports rigged too?

Absolutely. Aside from the fact that 16 > 9, foul calls and free throws can get the team that is behind back in the game and into rhythm...and it can get the opposing team out of rhythm. You can't just look at free throws just as points. Don't downplay what was done to the nets. It's a game of inches, so those extra free throws...and 31 total whopping free throws at that...it's insane. Yes Nets still could of been able to close as you pointed out, but they shouldn't have to be fighting the refs and the Heat to do that.

And another point...it's not just the ghost calls on Lebron, it's also the non-calls on Lebron when he is playing defense. League needs to make up their mind if hand checking isn't allowed, or if it's just allowed for Lebron. They can call it the Lebron rule I suppose. If Lebron hand checks, it's ok.

So you honestly think that those 16 FTs had a lot more to do than not scoring for 4 whole minutes? I repeat we did not score a single basket for whole straight minutes, that's worth more than 16 FTs. I can't look at FTs as just points? But that's what they are, when you score them you get one more added, them having more FTs has nothing do with anything, apart from a couple of calls in the 4th there was nothing anybody can say was a disputed call.

Scoring normally on the other hand can yield either 2 or 3 points, burn a bit of clock, perhaps the opposing team will call a timeout, can tire out the opposing D if sets were run properly but more importantly keeps the momentum going of the team going. Makes the opposing team have to adjust defensively in order to slow down the team by double teams or otherwise, this in turn opens up the other players, these are much more valuable in the outcome of a game than an extra 16 FTs. Again I agree those are fouls, but like I said apart from a couple of call in the 4th, there was nothing in that game that can be highly disputed.

Just look at the execution from both teams in the 2 minutes. Look at the inbound plays from both the Heat and the Nets, when they needed to score they did, when we needed to score we didn't. These are the reasons we lost this game, not the refs.

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets got beat, cleanly. Stop blaming the refs.

[Prokorov]

The direction of the front office is more and more clear day by day; they want the same core back for next year and believe that we can make another run next year. KG at 38 can come off the bench for a limited 15 minutes with Lopez coming back. Lopez coming back, as long as he's healthy is a big add for us offensively. Deron finally going for surgery will be big as well. Billy has made it clear he feels continuity is going to be key. If changes are made this offseason, atleast drastic ones, it will be based solely on FA decisions other players for the team makes.

It isnt a decision to go in that direction like we chose to do it.... we have no other choice. we are over the cap and luxury tax and we have no draft picks and few tradeable assets. of course we are going to roll with basically this same core again.

Also, Lopez doesnt help us offensively. him coming back and scoring 20 ppg efficently doesnt mean that everything else stays the same and is uneffected. its about the sum of all your parts and how they mesh, not just adding 20 ppg on paper and having it just magically work.

We do ALOT well offensively because lopez isnt on the floor:

-we play faster
-our bigs are more of a factor in transition
-there are no ball stoppers
-we get more early offense
-we dont struggle as much with double teams

Lopez is an extremely talented offensive player. but he really isnt a guy who fits well within an offense. he needs the ball dumped in to him and he needs 8 seconds to get into a shot.

Kidd knows this, its why he wants him out. and its why we were so much better after brook went down.

also, you cant pla small ball with brook ecause he is sucha bad pick and roll defender and defensive rebounder..

if brook is back, it needs to be as a backup, where his ball stopping and D arent as big of an issue.

Also, i dont want KG back, id rather those minutes go to plumlee.

[Prokorov]

This is why JJ couldn't score on the last play

the refs arent going to call that on a last possesion. its the same thing we saw in game 7 with the lowry shot at the end. refs arent calling stuff unless its major.

[wpdougie2180]

This is why JJ couldn't score on the last play

the refs arent going to call that on a last possesion. its the same thing we saw in game 7 with the lowry shot at the end. refs arent calling stuff unless its major.

It always amazes me how people spout this nonsense like it's true, Now the Nets lost because the Heat hit big shots down the stretch while the Nets didn't but to say they don't call that at the end of games when Lebron had just got a touch foul not 30 seconds earlier to cut the game to 1 point (Westbrook just got a touch foul to beat the Clippers 3 games ago, Paul George got a phatom call against the Heat last year last year Game 2 of the ECF & i'm sure there are hundreds of other examples those just sprang to mind, A foul is a foul no matter when it happens). Then the proceeding 3 pointer that was missed by JJ was was created by Ray Allen fouling Pierce in the exact same manner that caused Pierce's 5th foul even on the 2nd chance shot by Pierce created by Livingston's offensive rebound Allen smacks Pierce's arm 3 times as he gets the ball on the right wing in clear view of the refs. See the thing is fans have been trained not to say LEGIT calls went against them because they don't want to be seen as whining but even if the Nets won that doesn't change what happen the fact that the Heat won has no effect on what was missed they would have still been missed regardless of who won.

[Prokorov]

This is why JJ couldn't score on the last play

the refs arent going to call that on a last possesion. its the same thing we saw in game 7 with the lowry shot at the end. refs arent calling stuff unless its major.

It always amazes me how people spout this nonsense like it's true, Now the Nets lost because the Heat hit big shots down the stretch while the Nets didn't but to say they don't call that at the end of games when Lebron had just got a touch foul not 30 seconds earlier to cut the game to 1 point (Westbrook just got a touch foul to beat the Clippers 3 games ago, Paul George got a phatom call against the Heat last year last year Game 2 of the ECF & i'm sure there are hundreds of other examples those just sprang to mind, A foul is a foul no matter when it happens). Then the proceeding 3 pointer that was missed by JJ was was created by Ray Allen fouling Pierce in the exact same manner that caused Pierce's 5th foul even on the 2nd chance shot by Pierce created by Livingston's offensive rebound Allen smacks Pierce's arm 3 times as he gets the ball on the right wing in clear view of the refs. See the thing is fans have been trained not to say LEGIT calls went against them because they don't want to be seen as whining but even if the Nets won that doesn't change what happen the fact that the Heat won has no effect on what was missed they would have still been missed regardless of who won.

those plays werent the final play of the game. refs arent blowing a whislte on the last play of a 1 point game unless its obvious major contact during the shot.

like i said, look at the lowry play or even the plumlee block on lebron in the regular season

[NetsWorld]

the refs arent going to call that on a last possesion. its the same thing we saw in game 7 with the lowry shot at the end. refs arent calling stuff unless its major.

It always amazes me how people spout this nonsense like it's true, Now the Nets lost because the Heat hit big shots down the stretch while the Nets didn't but to say they don't call that at the end of games when Lebron had just got a touch foul not 30 seconds earlier to cut the game to 1 point (Westbrook just got a touch foul to beat the Clippers 3 games ago, Paul George got a phatom call against the Heat last year last year Game 2 of the ECF & i'm sure there are hundreds of other examples those just sprang to mind, A foul is a foul no matter when it happens). Then the proceeding 3 pointer that was missed by JJ was was created by Ray Allen fouling Pierce in the exact same manner that caused Pierce's 5th foul even on the 2nd chance shot by Pierce created by Livingston's offensive rebound Allen smacks Pierce's arm 3 times as he gets the ball on the right wing in clear view of the refs. See the thing is fans have been trained not to say LEGIT calls went against them because they don't want to be seen as whining but even if the Nets won that doesn't change what happen the fact that the Heat won has no effect on what was missed they would have still been missed regardless of who won.

those plays werent the final play of the game. refs arent blowing a whislte on the last play of a 1 point game unless its obvious major contact during the shot.

like i said, look at the lowry play or even the plumlee block on lebron in the regular season

Pierce contact was not obvious? OKC was bailed out against LAC in Game 5. If blatant calls are missed time and time again and players like LeBron are getting calls time and time again for very little contact (not taking away his talent or anything like that), it gets frustrating.

In fact the OKC call at the end of Game 5 pretty much decided the series. To be honest, LAC > OKC. I don't care that the outcome was OKC advancing.

[Prokorov]

It always amazes me how people spout this nonsense like it's true, Now the Nets lost because the Heat hit big shots down the stretch while the Nets didn't but to say they don't call that at the end of games when Lebron had just got a touch foul not 30 seconds earlier to cut the game to 1 point (Westbrook just got a touch foul to beat the Clippers 3 games ago, Paul George got a phatom call against the Heat last year last year Game 2 of the ECF & i'm sure there are hundreds of other examples those just sprang to mind, A foul is a foul no matter when it happens). Then the proceeding 3 pointer that was missed by JJ was was created by Ray Allen fouling Pierce in the exact same manner that caused Pierce's 5th foul even on the 2nd chance shot by Pierce created by Livingston's offensive rebound Allen smacks Pierce's arm 3 times as he gets the ball on the right wing in clear view of the refs. See the thing is fans have been trained not to say LEGIT calls went against them because they don't want to be seen as whining but even if the Nets won that doesn't change what happen the fact that the Heat won has no effect on what was missed they would have still been missed regardless of who won.

those plays werent the final play of the game. refs arent blowing a whislte on the last play of a 1 point game unless its obvious major contact during the shot.

like i said, look at the lowry play or even the plumlee block on lebron in the regular season

Pierce contact was not obvious? OKC was bailed out against LAC in Game 5. If blatant calls are missed time and time again and players like LeBron are getting calls time and time again for very little contact (not taking away his talent or anything like that), it gets frustrating.

In fact the OKC call at the end of Game 5 pretty much decided the series. To be honest, LAC > OKC. I don't care that the outcome was OKC advancing.

again, last play of the game, refs are not blowing the whistle unless the guy gets mugged clearly on the shot attempt. event then, they might leave it as a play on.

we saw it with lowry, we saw it with joe johnson. it was the right thing not to blow the whistle. refs were fantastic that game and all series long. hell when was the last time you saw the heat get to the FT as few times as they did this series in the playoffs?

[Paradise]

those plays werent the final play of the game. refs arent blowing a whislte on the last play of a 1 point game unless its obvious major contact during the shot.

like i said, look at the lowry play or even the plumlee block on lebron in the regular season

Pierce contact was not obvious? OKC was bailed out against LAC in Game 5. If blatant calls are missed time and time again and players like LeBron are getting calls time and time again for very little contact (not taking away his talent or anything like that), it gets frustrating.

In fact the OKC call at the end of Game 5 pretty much decided the series. To be honest, LAC > OKC. I don't care that the outcome was OKC advancing.

again, last play of the game, refs are not blowing the whistle unless the guy gets mugged clearly on the shot attempt. event then, they might leave it as a play on.

we saw it with lowry, we saw it with joe johnson. it was the right thing not to blow the whistle. refs were fantastic that game and all series long. hell when was the last time you saw the heat get to the FT as few times as they did this series in the playoffs?

Few times? They got 31 FTs in Game 5 and committed 16 personal fouls. It was an obvious foul, they didn't call it because it was LeBron who can't ever foul while playing defense. The officiating was far from fantastic. The amount of times JJ got bumped or handchecked with no call was atrocious. Especially, when LeBron got so many And 1s on similar contact late in the 4th.

Lowry got blocked vertically with both hands touching the ball before hand contact. Pierce got hit on the wrist in the act of shooting.

Completely different and if we didn't get the ball back, the league would have sent the usual BS apology statement.

[Prokorov]

Pierce contact was not obvious? OKC was bailed out against LAC in Game 5. If blatant calls are missed time and time again and players like LeBron are getting calls time and time again for very little contact (not taking away his talent or anything like that), it gets frustrating.

In fact the OKC call at the end of Game 5 pretty much decided the series. To be honest, LAC > OKC. I don't care that the outcome was OKC advancing.

again, last play of the game, refs are not blowing the whistle unless the guy gets mugged clearly on the shot attempt. event then, they might leave it as a play on.

we saw it with lowry, we saw it with joe johnson. it was the right thing not to blow the whistle. refs were fantastic that game and all series long. hell when was the last time you saw the heat get to the FT as few times as they did this series in the playoffs?

Few times? They got 31 FTs in Game 5 and committed 16 personal fouls. It was an obvious foul, they didn't call it because it was LeBron who can't ever foul while playing defense. The officiating was far from fantastic. The amount of times JJ got bumped or handchecked with no call was atrocious. Especially, when LeBron got so many And 1s on similar contact late in the 4th.

Lowry got blocked vertically with both hands touching the ball before hand contact. Pierce got hit on the wrist in the act of shooting.

Completely different and if we didn't get the ball back, the league would have sent the usual BS apology statement.

lowry got hit, it was minor they let it go. same with joe johnson on the last play. pierce same thing, minor contact late.

Miami went to the FT 31 times because they were in the paint all day. there were 2 or 3 calls i didnt like. johnson getting bumped with just under 2 minutes left was a tough no call.

overall, it was even or we had a slight advantage from the refs. game 5 was one of the best officiated games of the playoffs. any net complaining about it is a giant homer crybaby

[One Love]

Solid game...

[One Love]

Solid game...

[One Love]

Solid game...