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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#801 » by ReasonablySober » Sat May 24, 2014 6:34 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:I cannot, in a million years, fathom Embiid not going #1 in this class. He's a legit franchise changing prospect.


How would you compare Embiid to Anthony Davis?


Different players, but I think they end up making similar impacts. Both have top five NBA player potential.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#802 » by mchase27 » Sat May 24, 2014 6:53 pm

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mchase27 wrote:Love how nobody will give a current player comparison on Embiid, can't help but think a more athletic Tyson Chandler?


Chandler was more of a pure athlete coming out. In fact that's a poor comparison. Chandler was/is as raw as it got/gets offensively. I think Embiid compares to a mix of Marc Gasol/Lamarcus Aldridge if he stays healthy. A damn good player to get at #1 but again the health is paramount.


This is what I want to see, to me it seems cheap to just to throw out the "Hakeem" comparison. Aldridge is a damn good comparison to make. Getting that type of player along with a slasher like Giannis could be deadly.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#803 » by JustinCredible » Sat May 24, 2014 7:17 pm

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mchase27 wrote:Love how nobody will give a current player comparison on Embiid, can't help but think a more athletic Tyson Chandler?


Chandler was more of a pure athlete coming out. In fact that's a poor comparison. Chandler was/is as raw as it got/gets offensively. I think Embiid compares to a mix of Marc Gasol/Lamarcus Aldridge if he stays healthy. A damn good player to get at #1 but again the health is paramount.


This is what I want to see, to me it seems cheap to just to throw out the "Hakeem" comparison. Aldridge is a damn good comparison to make. Getting that type of player along with a slasher like Giannis could be deadly.


I don't see much Aldridge in him. LA is an elite mid-ringe scorer and not known for much defensively. Embiid is a defensive anchor with a very promising post game offensively. He can knock down some jumpers but it is FAR from his strength like it is for LA.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#804 » by bigdog34 » Sat May 24, 2014 7:21 pm

I want to Trade Henson and our #2 to Cleveland so e can get Embiid.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#805 » by engelmartin » Sat May 24, 2014 7:22 pm

I see more Amare than LA, but he's kind of unique. If any of the guys we're comparing him to had the potential to dominate on both ends it'd be more accurate, which is why that pesky Hakeem comparison keeps coming up.

Anyone see this? Apparently it's from a fairly recent Las Vegas workout:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3RVBZz6Rk[/youtube]
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#806 » by Matches Malone » Sat May 24, 2014 7:23 pm

We are in a great position to be guys. You take Embiid or Wiggins at #2 and the rest is history. No pressure of them being the number 1 pick and we get a guy with face of the franchise ability and who could see many all-star appearances in the future.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

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Post#808 » by aboveAverage » Sat May 24, 2014 7:29 pm

StikWitEM wrote:We are in a great position to be guys. You take Embiid or Wiggins at #2 and the rest is history. No pressure of them being the number 1 pick and we get a guy with face of the franchise ability and who could see many all-star appearances in the future.

I fully agree. We don't have to move up or down. This is a great spot to be in.

One of Embiid, Wiggins or Parker will be an amazing haul from this year. Exum maybe as well. But those first three are legit first-overall pick players in other drafts. Nothing but excitement here from me. I bet Hammond and Morway are drooling at this draft.

As far as Embiid comparisons, I may get a lot of hate for this, but I see a lot of Tim Duncan in him. There's no way he's not going #1 if his back checks out.

Wiggins to me has Tracy McGrady potential.

Parker has Carmelo Anthony/Glenn Robinson/Paul Pierce potential at the very least.

Any of those three guys would be awesome for our young core.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#809 » by JustinCredible » Sat May 24, 2014 7:35 pm

I don't think Embiid has any shot at going #2. He will either be a clear cut #1 or medical concerns will have him drop out of the top 3 or 4 and likely slide to Lakers or Boston. I just don't see any way that he goes 2 or 3 in this draft.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#810 » by Matches Malone » Sat May 24, 2014 7:35 pm

Anybody know when the Bucks are going to start having individual workouts with prospects at the cousins center?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#811 » by Matches Malone » Sat May 24, 2014 7:36 pm

JustinCredible wrote:I don't think Embiid has any shot at going #2. He will either be a clear cut #1 or medical concerns will have him drop out of the top 3 or 4 and likely slide to Lakers or Boston. I just don't see any way that he goes 2 or 3 in this draft.


You're forgetting who's picking at #1.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#812 » by aboveAverage » Sat May 24, 2014 7:37 pm

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His game looks so fluid and effortless. Granted it's a lot of 1-on-none drills but all the movements look natural. And the back looked to not be a problem. As much as I want Wiggins, I'm just glad we got 2 and can draft Embiid if Wiggins goes #1.


Yea, Embiid looks really good there. I would love for the Bucks to get him. I would even trade up with Cleveland to get him.


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I'm not trading up for anybody. If anything I'm trading back to 3 and adding more assets. His workout looked terrific. So did Odens, Kwames, Jianlians, and Joe Alexanders. I'm certainly not going to drastically change my opinion based off of 'workouts'.


Oden and Kwame did not possess nearly the same amount of offensive skill and footwork as Embiid does already in his young career. I don't buy into the classic big guy bust arguments because most of these busts had no offensive game and were just raw athletic prospects coming into the NBA. Embiid already has a very good post game, great footwork and a good jumper, along with elite defensive skills. He's leagues ahead of guys like Oden and Kwame and Bogut.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#813 » by JustinCredible » Sat May 24, 2014 7:44 pm

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Yea, Embiid looks really good there. I would love for the Bucks to get him. I would even trade up with Cleveland to get him.


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I'm not trading up for anybody. If anything I'm trading back to 3 and adding more assets. His workout looked terrific. So did Odens, Kwames, Jianlians, and Joe Alexanders. I'm certainly not going to drastically change my opinion based off of 'workouts'.



Oden and Kwame did not possess nearly the same amount of offensive skill and footwork as Embiid does already in his young career. I don't buy into the classic big guy bust arguments because most of these busts had no offensive game and were just raw athletic prospects coming into the NBA. Embiid already has a very good post game, great footwork and a good jumper, along with elite defensive skills. He's leagues ahead of guys like Oden and Kwame and Bogut.


Bogut and Oden busted more due to injuries than anything else. Injuries are the concern. I have no questions about his talent or ability. I have questions about his durability.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#814 » by Willie Colon » Sat May 24, 2014 7:47 pm

engelmartin wrote:I see more Amare than LA, but he's kind of unique. If any of the guys we're comparing him to had the potential to dominate on both ends it'd be more accurate, which is why that pesky Hakeem comparison keeps coming up.

Anyone see this? Apparently it's from a fairly recent Las Vegas workout:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3RVBZz6Rk[/youtube]


Young Amare moved at the speed of light compared to Embiid. I agree with drew881, he's more like Ewing.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#815 » by Licensed to Il » Sat May 24, 2014 7:53 pm

I guarantee that Kwame could do everything that Embiid did in that video. I would imagine that a whole lot of other busts could too. The thing that sets Embiid apart in my eyes from other great physical specimens are that he has a body of work (albeit just one year) in a good conference where he displayed touch, finesse, and incredible improvement. I find Embiid super impressive. But not based off of dunking in the paint with no defenders. That doesn't really distinguish him from any other high end prospect.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#816 » by Ill-yasova » Sat May 24, 2014 8:04 pm

Embiid's best case comparison falls somewhere between Hakeem and Tim Duncan in my opinion.

Also, it's easy to forget how awesome Ewing was until you watch a highlight video like the one above. I always think of Ewing as more of a plodder but man that guy could move.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#817 » by Willie Colon » Sat May 24, 2014 8:05 pm

aboveAverage wrote:Oden and Kwame did not possess nearly the same amount of offensive skill and footwork as Embiid does already in his young career. I don't buy into the classic big guy bust arguments because most of these busts had no offensive game and were just raw athletic prospects coming into the NBA. Embiid already has a very good post game, great footwork and a good jumper, along with elite defensive skills. He's leagues ahead of guys like Oden and Kwame and Bogut.


lol wut

Oden had a much more impressive Freshmen year than Embiid. The crazy thing is that he played the entire year one-handed (his off hand at that), and still put up great stats while leading his team to the final game. He also played well against the NBA calibre centers he faced, while Embiid did not.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#818 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat May 24, 2014 8:50 pm

It's amazing how fast people can forget how great of a player/prospect Oden was.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#819 » by Zeezprah » Sat May 24, 2014 8:54 pm

oden would have been one of the best big men of all time had he stayed healthy.

no doubt in my mind.

the stuff he was doing per minute was nuts in portland before his knees finally gave out.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#820 » by Zeezprah » Sat May 24, 2014 9:00 pm

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