2014 Draft Prospects Thread

Takingbaconback · Post #961 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:17 pm

Embiid is a huge red flag in my opinion. These back problems coming up already is a terrible sign for a big man of his size and we know they won't get any better with him playing 82 games a season. Even if he doesn't end up like Oden, I find it probable that he plays 50-60 games a season and struggles with back and structural injuries most of his career. If wolves get the number 1 which I highly doubt, then they should go for wiggins.

On another note, regardless of what trade wolves get for Klove, I think the guy to take at 13 is McDermott if he's there. He can plug in as a SF and make life much easier for Rubio.

AQuintus · Post #962 » by **AQuintus** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:23 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:He can plug in as a SF and make life much easier for Rubio.

I don't buy, even a little bit, that McDermott will be able to play SF in the NBA.

Post #963 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:44 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXsnoYAYJHU[/youtube]

This guy will be a SG version of Steph Curry. That jumper is so smooth.

mandurugo · Post #964 » by **mandurugo** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Looks like Stauskas has definitely mastered the worst shot in basketball, so Flip should be pretty fired up. 90% of the shots in his playbook require someone to take a long 2 after all...

Takingbaconback · Post #965 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 8:56 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:He can plug in as a SF and make life much easier for Rubio.

I don't buy, even a little bit, that McDermott will be able to play SF in the NBA.

Why Kyle Korver plays SF. I buy it completely when you talk about having gibson/Dieng or Dieng/pek as your frontcourt

AQuintus · Post #966 » by **AQuintus** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:02 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:Why Kyle Korver plays SF.

McDermott isn't Korver. They're completely different people.

I buy it completely when you talk about having gibson/Dieng

or Dieng/pek as your frontcourt

Both of those front courts are a step in the wrong direction.

Takingbaconback · Post #967 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:04 pm

Klomp wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXsnoYAYJHU[/youtube]

This guy will be a SG version of Steph Curry. That jumper is so smooth.

Really doubt he will be a stephen curry type of player. He hasnt even shown it yet while curry was already cooking things up at davidson. I would argue McDermott is the closest thing to curry in this draft when you talk about shooting and stroke. Matches the production and eye test imo

Takingbaconback · Post #968 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:05 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Why Kyle Korver plays SF.

McDermott isn't Korver. They're completely different people.

I buy it completely when you talk about having gibson/Dieng

or Dieng/pek as your frontcourt

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Both of those front courts are a steyupp in the wrong direction.

We arent getting another kevin love to replace him. I dont like the bulls trade either but I dont see whats wrong with gibson and dieng. Theres no better player we could get at pf than gibson right now

And yes on defense McDermott is similar to Kyle Korver. on offense he can give a lot more when it comes to mid range shooting. Korver is a good comparison for what McDermott's role will be on offense and defense

Post #969 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:07 pm

Takingbaconback wrote: Really doubt he will be a stephen curry type of player. He hasnt even shown it yet while curry was already cooking things up at davidson.

What hasn't Stauskas shown?

AQuintus · Post #970 » by **AQuintus** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:09 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:We arent getting another kevin love to replace him.

Of course not, but we could do better than a 28 year old defensive role player or forcing our raw 24 year old C prospect to play out of position. Heck, even playing McDermott (who is actually a PF) would be better.

Theres no better player we could get at pf than gibson right now

Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, or Julius Randle would all be better going forward (maybe not immediately, but who cares, we're not winning anything next year without Love anyway).

Takingbaconback · Post #971 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:13 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:We arent getting another kevin love to replace him.

Of course not, but we could do better than a 28 year old defensive role player or forcing our raw 24 year old C prospect to play out of position. Heck, even playing McDermott (who is actually a PF) would be better.

Theres no better player we could get at pf than gibson right now

Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, or Julius Randle would all be better going forward (maybe not immediately, but who cares, we're not winning anything next year without Love anyway).

You just are sticking to your vision and Im sticking with mine ,thats fine but it isnt like putting gibson with dieng is a we must win now type of move either. Getting those 3 prospects mean wolves have to take the boston deal which is a bad trade imo.

Takingbaconback · Post #972 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:17 pm

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote: Really doubt he will be a stephen curry type of player. He hasnt even shown it yet while curry was already cooking things up at davidson.

What hasn't Stauskas shown?

I love stauskas but I think its a huge stretch to call him a curry. I think a pure smooth shooting stroke when I hear curry and I think Mcdermott is that guy too. His shooting stroke, range, and production is much closer to who curry is. I think stauskas is a great shooter but i think curry like players have a very natural touch and stroke. Just something so organic like their fingers, hands, limbs, and motion mechanics were perfectly designed to shoot a basketball

AQuintus · Post #973 » by **AQuintus** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:19 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:thats fine but it isnt like putting gibson with dieng is a we must win now type of move either.

Taj Gibson will turn 29 in a month. If we're not trying to win-now with him, there's no point in getting him at all.

Getting those 3 prospects mean wolves have to take the boston deal which is a bad trade imo.

What don't you like about it?

Post #974 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:22 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:I think a pure smooth shooting stroke when I hear curry and I think Mcdermott is that guy too. His shooting stroke, range, and production is much closer to who curry is. I think stauskas is a great shooter but i think curry like players have a very natural touch and stroke

I guess I don't see whats unnatural about his form. Its not like he's Kevin Martin.

I can understand knocking other aspects of his game, but knocking his shooting is a bit ridiculous to me.

Takingbaconback · Post #975 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:22 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:thats fine but it isnt like putting gibson with dieng is a we must win now type of move either.

Taj Gibson will turn 29 in a month. If we're not trying to win-now with him, there's no point in getting him at all.

Getting those 3 prospects mean wolves have to take the boston deal which is a bad trade imo.

What don't you like about it?

The best player we get out of the deal is the 6th pick. I mch rather have a sure thing seeing how guys like gordon and vonleh are very raw and would need a lot of time to develop. I also think if wolves are going to have rubio on their roster, they must absolutely must build around him. You cant have offensively limited players at the 2 or 3 if you wanna have success in the league with ricky. Basically trade with boston doesnt help rubio which will severely stunt this team

Takingbaconback · Post #976 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:25 pm

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:I think a pure smooth shooting stroke when I hear curry and I think Mcdermott is that guy too. His shooting stroke, range, and production is much closer to who curry is. I think stauskas is a great shooter but i think curry like players have a very natural touch and stroke

I guess I don't see whats unnatural about his form. Its not like he's Kevin Martin.

I can understand knocking other aspects of his game, but knocking his shooting is a bit ridiculous to me.

Nah I love Stauskas, I would love to see him on the wolves. Its more of the shooting stroke and the translation to massive production for me. I think stauskas is a great shooter, but I dont think his shot is as natural as curry which imo is a huge part of currys success

Post #977 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:26 pm

(33% in the other corner)

Takingbaconback · Post #978 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:29 pm

Klomp wrote:
(33% in the other corner)

Again it's not about knocking Stauskas down. I think he's one of the best shooters in the draft.. in fact the second best.

Could you find one for Doug McDermott? I think he's the best shooter in this draft and like Curry, his shooting form, stroke, and release is so organic and pristine. Also you can see through McDermott's and Curry's college numbers that there is immense godly production with amazing accuracy. Stauskas had a great season this year but McDermott's and Curry's numbers are out of this world.

AQuintus · Post #979 » by **AQuintus** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:30 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:The best player we get out of the deal is the 6th pick.

Which is more valuable than anything we get from Chicago (expect for maybe Mirotic, who might not even be willing to play here).

I mch rather have a sure thing seeing how guys like gordon and vonleh are very raw and would need a lot of time to develop.

Time is something we have. Our best player post-Love is 23.

I also think if wolves are going to have rubio on their roster, they must absolutely must build around him.

A hyper-athletic PF to pair with Rubio in the pick-and-roll/pop is about as good of a fit as we can hope for.

You cant have offensively limited players at the 2 or 3 if you wanna have success in the league with ricky

What is Taj Gibson if not offensively limited? I have way more trust in Gordon, Vonleh, or Randle becoming a high level scorer at 18/19 years old than I do of Taj Gibson suddenly becoming a threat at 29.

Takingbaconback · Post #980 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 9:33 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:The best player we get out of the deal is the 6th pick.

Which is more valuable than anything we get from Chicago (expect for maybe Mirotic, who might not even be willing to play here).

I mch rather have a sure thing seeing how guys like gordon and vonleh are very raw and would need a lot of time to develop.

Time is something we have. Our best player post-Love is 23.

I also think if wolves are going to have rubio on their roster, they must absolutely must build around him.

A hyper-athletic PF to pair with Rubio in the pick-and-roll/pop is about as good of a fit as we can hope for.

You cant have offensively limited players at the 2 or 3 if you wanna have success in the league with ricky

What is Taj Gibson if not offensively limited? I have way more trust in Gordon, Vonleh, or Randle becoming a high level scorer at 18/19 years old than I do of Taj Gibson suddenly becoming a threat at 29.

Yeah I don't like the bulls trade much either because you are pairing Jimmy Butler, Rubio, and Brewer which make for a horrendous perimeter offense. I rather see the GSW deal with Klay Thompson who is a clear top 3 SG under 30. He would help Rubio immensely and won't be the garbage Kevin Martin is as a chucker and a matador.