Simmons: Reinsdorf Runs Bulls Like Small Market Team

[kyrv]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

[kyrv]

It's interesting to me that about 60% of the board shares that same opinion that the Bulls are run like a small market team, but that when Simmons says it everyone calls foul and yells conspiracy!

Habit of this board: outsiders (i.e. non-Bulls forum posters) are not allowed to be critical of the Bulls, even when they voice the same exact critiques that posters here make.

We are not reading the same forum. Can you link yours? An occasional break from the myths would be cool.

[AirP.]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

[Michael Jackson]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

Man I am sorry I am not singling you out. That argument is sooooooo old though. Why did JR say that in context? It was about the CBA. Had zero to do with Jordan and Jordan knows that. JR coming off of the lockout in the MLB knew where things were headed. If anyone he would be one of the least likely effected by no salary cap having the hottest, most money making team in sports at the time. No salary cap? He was all for it. Then Shaq, KG ( both worth it) and Juwann Hoawrd came along. Then the screeching halt we now are looking at with spending.

[Michael Jackson]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Small market, big market blah blah blah. It applies only in one sport, baseball. Spending there nets not much though either. Ask LA.

[kyrv]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Small market, big market blah blah blah. It applies only in one sport, baseball. Spending there nets not much though either. Ask LA.

Honestly I was going to ask how a small market team was run.

[kyrv]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

Bulls are paying the lux tax. Even though let's be honest, paying the tax and Rose choosing not to try and play, in hindsight it is better to not be in the tax.

You wanted them to fall in love with their own players and overpay Deng? Can we pick a lane?

What is the basketball argument to pay Deng 14 mil a year?

Refusing to match on Lin after telling him they would match is both small market and deceitful.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

Do you have any idea of why JR said that he would regret giving MJ that contract? Here's a hint. Think about what the average contract was at the time and think about what the contracts are like right now. He knew that Jordan getting that type of contract would set a standard...and it did.

In so far as trading Deng, that had nothing to do with a small market mentality. That was them knowing that if they gave him the deal that he wanted, it was game over for building any real contender. So they got under the tax by trading.

That there is what a competent GM does.

[ryan44]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

Do you have any idea of why JR said that he would regret giving MJ that contract? Here's a hint. Think about what the average contract was at the time and think about what the contracts are like right now. He knew that Jordan getting that type of contract would set a standard...and it did.

In so far as trading Deng, that had nothing to do with a small market mentality. That was them knowing that if they gave him the deal that he wanted, it was game over for building any real contender. So they got under the tax by trading.

That there is what a competent GM does.

So much this. If dumping Deng to get under the tax instead of possibly handicapping the team financially down the line if/when Rose is healthy and building a contender is "small market", I'll take that everyday. All I want is for the FO to act like a "big market team" when the team has a legitimate shot at competing for the NBA title. This past season does not fit that description at all.

[Ctownbulls]

People acting is if simmons is basing his claims off the Deng trade. I belive before this year the Bulls were one of 4 teams to never pay the tax. They also consistently let free agents walk and typically fail to optimize player value.

Simmons is right. We are run poorly both from an ownership standpoint and GM standpoint. There is a reason the Bulls had the worst 6-7 year stretch in NBA history post Jordan and why the Bulls have been irrelevant for over 15 years sans 1 ECF appearance.

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[TokyoBull]

I don't get it the "small market thinking" criticism. We had a top 5 payroll last season. Dumping Deng was almost universally considered the right move by NBA media, including Simmons. Are we talking about not reupping on Asik or bench mob guys like Korver? Please.

When your max player hasnt played most of the past 2 seasons, I'm behind any plan to cut other long-term money.

I'm at a loss on how Bulls management can reportedly have such a problem with Thibs but that's a separate issue.

[AirP.]

In so far as trading Deng, that had nothing to do with a small market mentality. That was them knowing that if they gave him the deal that he wanted, it was game over for building any real contender. So they got under the tax by trading.

That there is what a competent GM does.

They got under the tax to save them future profits.... by getting rid of a good basketball player for NOTHING. I get they saved money, but with the amount of profits they're raking in... like 55+ million a year, they could afford to keep talent to the end of their contracts to do sign and trades.

Yes... I think Phil would be interested in moving Melo if he were getting Deng and other assets in return.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Dumping Deng was a small market move. When you're a big market team making tons of money you can go over the luxury tax to retain and stockpile talent. So we can easily say Chicago doesn't run like a big market team.

I wonder if LA ownership is going to say the same thing about Kobe as they did about MJ... that they're going to regret giving him that contract.

Bulls are paying the lux tax. Even though let's be honest, paying the tax and Rose choosing not to try and play, in hindsight it is better to not be in the tax.

You wanted them to fall in love with their own players and overpay Deng? Can we pick a lane?

What is the basketball argument to pay Deng 14 mil a year?

Refusing to match on Lin after telling him they would match is both small market and deceitful.

Can we stop with this? It was his decision in 12-13. This time, the organization came out and said immediately after his surgery that he was out for the season.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

You can choose to believe that dumping Deng was purely a luxury tax move if you want, in which case you might have a logical road to 'JR is cheap', or you can choose to believe that they were going to let Deng walk anyway for cap purposes(i.e. to have the flexibility to do a S&T or to have 10-12M in cap space if wanted) and decided to do something that would net them a pick, a possible improvement on another pick, and get them out of the luxury tax while accomplishing the same thing cap-wise that just letting him walk would. Up to you.

[ChicagoStrong]

Letting go of Luol was the right move.

He was not going to be worth the money he was about to command.

[Rerisen]

Are people forgetting that we offered Deng 10m before he was traded, that is all we wanted to pay (and wisely) and he said no. So it was clear he was going to walk (for nothing) at the end of the year.

[organix85]

Shockingly, Simmons is incorrect.

If someone wants to argue they should spend more, super.

There is no factual evidence that they are run like a small market team.

Small market teams don't pay the luxury tax typically. But hey it sounds cute to say.

Considering Milwaukee and Indiana have both paid more tax dollars than Chicago, historically... you'd say he's incorrect? Ok, if that helps you feel better about it all.

[Rusty Walrus]

Simmons really being unfair to Indiana.

They paid the luxury tax a couple of times before the Bulls finally decided to go into luxury tax land many years later.

[Betta Bulleavit]

In so far as trading Deng, that had nothing to do with a small market mentality. That was them knowing that if they gave him the deal that he wanted, it was game over for building any real contender. So they got under the tax by trading.

That there is what a competent GM does.

They got under the tax to save them future profits.... by getting rid of a good basketball player for NOTHING. I get they saved money, but with the amount of profits they're raking in... like 55+ million a year, they could afford to keep talent to the end of their contracts to do sign and trades.

Yes... I think Phil would be interested in moving Melo if he were getting Deng and other assets in return.

If that's your narrative, then so be it. But it would be wise for you to realize that there were many more ramifications than lost profit. The Bulls paid the tax last season in case you were not aware. Had they kept Deng, it would have happened again this season. All indications are that they were okay with that as long as Rose was healthy and they thought this team could compete. Otherwise, they could have traded Deng last off season. Rose did get hurt. And the team was struggling mightily at the time. There is no way in hell any competent GM risks going into the repeater tax for a team like that over a player that you already know is going to walk at the end of said season. That's just foolish.

With regards to your theory that a resigned Deng would have appealed to the Knicks in a swap for Melo. I got four words for you. IN WHAT FREAKIN WORLD?!?! Do you honestly think that Deng signed to an albatross long-term contract would have appealed to a team that is trying to rebuild? Seriously...think about what you're saying man. That would be perfect example of the very type of contract that they would want to avoid...not acquire.

[organix85]

Yes... I think Phil would be interested in moving Melo if he were getting Deng and other assets in return.

This probably wouldn't be possible since Deng would be a sign and trade and NYC is over the apron.