2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Indeed]

I'm pretty sure I found the next Dirk Nowitzki

I watched him play (1 game), he is more a Bargnani. And worse, his shooting isn't as good.
Very poor rebounder, avoid contact. Even Bargnani will make some contact and boxing out players.

I think Powell is a better prospect if you are looking for stretch big in the 2nd round.

[UnderdogRaptors]

WoW, just WoW!


Peter Vecsey: Contrary 2 report, reason Cavs won't offer Kyrie max extension: because they know he wouldn't accept & don't want 2 look bad

i guess winning culture is important lol BC was right

[Double Helix]

I am warming up to Deandre Daniels the more I go over his play. He is a prototype SF at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. He is a 41% three point shooter, progressing steadily each year, while averaging 1.4 blocks per game and 6 boards. He is a pretty good athlete, just is limited in his passing and dribbling skills. I cannot figure out why he gets so lowly rated in mock drafts when you compare him with other SFs who have accomplished less.

-Rodney Hood was just as efficient but didn't rebound (3 boards) or block shots (0.3 blocks)
-Kyle Anderson passed better and shot better, but on a smaller number of shots, plus he is a poor defender.
-Cleanthony Early has worse shooting percentages and block numbers and is a year older.
-TJ Warren scored better inside and rebounded well, but was a poorer outside shooter (26%) with no blocks (0.6)
-KJ McDaniels is a better defender with bigger clocks numbers and steals, but he is smaller in size at 6-6 and may have issues with outside shooting on the next level.
-Jerami Grant has no shot but similar physical profile.

The main issues with Daniels are consistency, as he seems to have his play fluctuate from month to month. He finished well during the NCAA tournament, but sucked leading up to it. His age makes him a bit older than other prospects being 22 at the time of the draft. HIs shot is slow on the release, and his lack of passing.

To me it comes down to his mental make-up. They have to figure out if he wants it. UConn has been pretty dysfunctional over the last couple years so it is hard to tell how he is handled that. Maybe he needs too much coaching to be picked at 20, but I see some really good physical attributes and improvement in his career. I guess I am less enamoured by the other prospects, but he seems closer to a sure thing.

This is where it is hard to measure college against the NBA. A guy like Daniels looks like an NBA guy and given time he fits that Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza second tier type of SF. That seems pretty solid to me at 20.

I hope he stays where he is and we consider him in the second round. He'd be great there.

[OAKLEY_2]

I am warming up to Deandre Daniels the more I go over his play. He is a prototype SF at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. He is a 41% three point shooter, progressing steadily each year, while averaging 1.4 blocks per game and 6 boards. He is a pretty good athlete, just is limited in his passing and dribbling skills. I cannot figure out why he gets so lowly rated in mock drafts when you compare him with other SFs who have accomplished less.

-Rodney Hood was just as efficient but didn't rebound (3 boards) or block shots (0.3 blocks)
-Kyle Anderson passed better and shot better, but on a smaller number of shots, plus he is a poor defender.
-Cleanthony Early has worse shooting percentages and block numbers and is a year older.
-TJ Warren scored better inside and rebounded well, but was a poorer outside shooter (26%) with no blocks (0.6)
-KJ McDaniels is a better defender with bigger clocks numbers and steals, but he is smaller in size at 6-6 and may have issues with outside shooting on the next level.
-Jerami Grant has no shot but similar physical profile.

The main issues with Daniels are consistency, as he seems to have his play fluctuate from month to month. He finished well during the NCAA tournament, but sucked leading up to it. His age makes him a bit older than other prospects being 22 at the time of the draft. HIs shot is slow on the release, and his lack of passing.

To me it comes down to his mental make-up. They have to figure out if he wants it. UConn has been pretty dysfunctional over the last couple years so it is hard to tell how he is handled that. Maybe he needs too much coaching to be picked at 20, but I see some really good physical attributes and improvement in his career. I guess I am less enamoured by the other prospects, but he seems closer to a sure thing.

This is where it is hard to measure college against the NBA. A guy like Daniels looks like an NBA guy and given time he fits that Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza second tier type of SF. That seems pretty solid to me at 20.

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

[Kevin Willis]

I like Porzingis as a prospect but I'm a little bit worried about his inefficiency and his scoring stats from last FIBA U18 championships:
just 11.6 ppg
though 10 rpg and especially 4.9 bpg is impressive

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bq ... 89949.html

Has anybody watched him play more?

Yes, a few have. Someone posted one of his games. For U18 he didn't dominate if that's what you were looking for but he was the leading contributor to his team which wasn't that deep. He was named to the all U-18 team so he performed well.

He didn't average 30/15 but he played well and he wasn't the only inside presence for Latvia limiting his touches.

[totallyr]

Watching the punishment Lowry takes every game you have to believe it's going to catch up with him and he'll wind up injured and might be gone for a spell. I really don't trust the team's prospects long term in Vaquez hands, therefore i think Payton might be a good pick at 20, for now and the future.

[thunderforce]

I am warming up to Deandre Daniels the more I go over his play. He is a prototype SF at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. He is a 41% three point shooter, progressing steadily each year, while averaging 1.4 blocks per game and 6 boards. He is a pretty good athlete, just is limited in his passing and dribbling skills. I cannot figure out why he gets so lowly rated in mock drafts when you compare him with other SFs who have accomplished less.

-Rodney Hood was just as efficient but didn't rebound (3 boards) or block shots (0.3 blocks)
-Kyle Anderson passed better and shot better, but on a smaller number of shots, plus he is a poor defender.
-Cleanthony Early has worse shooting percentages and block numbers and is a year older.
-TJ Warren scored better inside and rebounded well, but was a poorer outside shooter (26%) with no blocks (0.6)
-KJ McDaniels is a better defender with bigger clocks numbers and steals, but he is smaller in size at 6-6 and may have issues with outside shooting on the next level.
-Jerami Grant has no shot but similar physical profile.

The main issues with Daniels are consistency, as he seems to have his play fluctuate from month to month. He finished well during the NCAA tournament, but sucked leading up to it. His age makes him a bit older than other prospects being 22 at the time of the draft. HIs shot is slow on the release, and his lack of passing.

To me it comes down to his mental make-up. They have to figure out if he wants it. UConn has been pretty dysfunctional over the last couple years so it is hard to tell how he is handled that. Maybe he needs too much coaching to be picked at 20, but I see some really good physical attributes and improvement in his career. I guess I am less enamoured by the other prospects, but he seems closer to a sure thing.

This is where it is hard to measure college against the NBA. A guy like Daniels looks like an NBA guy and given time he fits that Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza second tier type of SF. That seems pretty solid to me at 20.

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

I still think I would rather have Inglis . 6 feet 8 and a half tall , 7 foot 3 wingspan , 240 lbs with huge hands the guy is a freak . per 40 the second best rebounder in the whole french league at 18 years old .

[thunderforce]

Watching the punishment Lowry takes every game you have to believe it's going to catch up with him and he'll wind up injured and might be gone for a spell. I really don't trust the team's prospects long term in Vaquez hands, therefore i think Payton might be a good pick at 20, for now and the future.

It would be a no brainer to take him but if he is there at 20 I am shocked .

[Kevin Willis]

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Posted it in the wrong thread lol

So Masai interviewed Stokes and is bringing in Bryant? He seems to be looking for some tough guys in the front line. If that's the case then you could rule out a bunch of front line players who may be a little softer / finesse. But he did say that's what he wanted at the end of the year.

I don't know how I feel about both of them but Trust in Masai.

Edit: They're almost identical players. Can anyone really tell me what differentiates one over the other?

[OAKLEY_2]

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Posted it in the wrong thread lol

So Masai interviewed Stokes and is bringing in Bryant? He seems to be looking for some tough guys in the front line. If that's the case then you could rule out a bunch of front line players who may be a little softer / finesse. But he did say that's what he wanted at the end of the year.

I don't know how I feel about both of them but Trust in Masai.

Edit: They're almost identical players. Can anyone really tell me what differentiates one over the other?

Did we work out anyone when we had no pick?

[OAKLEY_2]

I am warming up to Deandre Daniels the more I go over his play. He is a prototype SF at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. He is a 41% three point shooter, progressing steadily each year, while averaging 1.4 blocks per game and 6 boards. He is a pretty good athlete, just is limited in his passing and dribbling skills. I cannot figure out why he gets so lowly rated in mock drafts when you compare him with other SFs who have accomplished less.

-Rodney Hood was just as efficient but didn't rebound (3 boards) or block shots (0.3 blocks)
-Kyle Anderson passed better and shot better, but on a smaller number of shots, plus he is a poor defender.
-Cleanthony Early has worse shooting percentages and block numbers and is a year older.
-TJ Warren scored better inside and rebounded well, but was a poorer outside shooter (26%) with no blocks (0.6)
-KJ McDaniels is a better defender with bigger clocks numbers and steals, but he is smaller in size at 6-6 and may have issues with outside shooting on the next level.
-Jerami Grant has no shot but similar physical profile.

The main issues with Daniels are consistency, as he seems to have his play fluctuate from month to month. He finished well during the NCAA tournament, but sucked leading up to it. His age makes him a bit older than other prospects being 22 at the time of the draft. HIs shot is slow on the release, and his lack of passing.

To me it comes down to his mental make-up. They have to figure out if he wants it. UConn has been pretty dysfunctional over the last couple years so it is hard to tell how he is handled that. Maybe he needs too much coaching to be picked at 20, but I see some really good physical attributes and improvement in his career. I guess I am less enamoured by the other prospects, but he seems closer to a sure thing.

This is where it is hard to measure college against the NBA. A guy like Daniels looks like an NBA guy and given time he fits that Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza second tier type of SF. That seems pretty solid to me at 20.

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

I still think I would rather have Inglis . 6 feet 8 and a half tall , 7 foot 3 wingspan , 240 lbs with huge hands the guy is a freak . per 40 the second best rebounder in the whole french league at 18 years old .

I just wouldn't get too focused on small forwards. If Payton is clearly the best talent at 20 we have to do that. If it is Payne or Anderson so be it. I'll take short arms if someone has desire, a motor and a complete game.

[Indeed]

I like Porzingis as a prospect but I'm a little bit worried about his inefficiency and his scoring stats from last FIBA U18 championships:
just 11.6 ppg
though 10 rpg and especially 4.9 bpg is impressive

http://u18men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_2bq ... 89949.html

Has anybody watched him play more?

Yes, a few have. Someone posted one of his games. For U18 he didn't dominate if that's what you were looking for but he was the leading contributor to his team which wasn't that deep. He was named to the all U-18 team so he performed well.

He didn't average 30/15 but he played well and he wasn't the only inside presence for Latvia limiting his touches.

I watched 1 game (against Larsen, not U18 game), and their twin tower setup has been pretty difficult to score against. Even the opponent has a stretch big, but their length (even their SF has some length) are very disrupting. Opponent already down by 10 after the first 8 shots. They basically shut down the opposing PF due to his length, while they have another big body at C. However, their pace and quickness are slower, so it is hard to judge the talent level. Could he be just a bench player in NBA? Well, still young, time will tell.

[Indeed]

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

I still think I would rather have Inglis . 6 feet 8 and a half tall , 7 foot 3 wingspan , 240 lbs with huge hands the guy is a freak . per 40 the second best rebounder in the whole french league at 18 years old .

I just wouldn't get too focused on small forwards. If Payton is clearly the best talent at 20 we have to do that. If it is Payne or Anderson so be it. I'll take short arms if someone has desire, a motor and a complete game.

I feel the same. Outside of SF, we need a scoring PF and perhaps a PG just in case we can't sign any of them back.

I also don't see Inglis having that high of a ceiling due to his offense and vertical (until we see the measurement from Eurocamp end of next week). For now, I project him as someone who won't hurt our offense, and is an upgrade over Salmons due to his size, passing ability and ball handling, but his shooting maybe similar to Salmons. Perhaps enough to be a starter, and capable of guarding PFs, but we certainly need more offense from our bigs to stretch the floor.

[Optimusprime_23]

For those of you who aren't yet sold on selecting Inglis with our 20th pick...

If we can agree that the Spurs have an excellent track record of scouting and drafting players, they selected a fairly similar player in Livio Jean-Charles last year with the 29th pick.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Liv ... rles-6125/

[Dalek]

I am warming up to Deandre Daniels the more I go over his play. He is a prototype SF at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. He is a 41% three point shooter, progressing steadily each year, while averaging 1.4 blocks per game and 6 boards. He is a pretty good athlete, just is limited in his passing and dribbling skills. I cannot figure out why he gets so lowly rated in mock drafts when you compare him with other SFs who have accomplished less.

-Rodney Hood was just as efficient but didn't rebound (3 boards) or block shots (0.3 blocks)
-Kyle Anderson passed better and shot better, but on a smaller number of shots, plus he is a poor defender.
-Cleanthony Early has worse shooting percentages and block numbers and is a year older.
-TJ Warren scored better inside and rebounded well, but was a poorer outside shooter (26%) with no blocks (0.6)
-KJ McDaniels is a better defender with bigger clocks numbers and steals, but he is smaller in size at 6-6 and may have issues with outside shooting on the next level.
-Jerami Grant has no shot but similar physical profile.

The main issues with Daniels are consistency, as he seems to have his play fluctuate from month to month. He finished well during the NCAA tournament, but sucked leading up to it. His age makes him a bit older than other prospects being 22 at the time of the draft. HIs shot is slow on the release, and his lack of passing.

To me it comes down to his mental make-up. They have to figure out if he wants it. UConn has been pretty dysfunctional over the last couple years so it is hard to tell how he is handled that. Maybe he needs too much coaching to be picked at 20, but I see some really good physical attributes and improvement in his career. I guess I am less enamoured by the other prospects, but he seems closer to a sure thing.

This is where it is hard to measure college against the NBA. A guy like Daniels looks like an NBA guy and given time he fits that Matt Barnes, Trevor Ariza second tier type of SF. That seems pretty solid to me at 20.

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

I still think I would rather have Inglis . 6 feet 8 and a half tall , 7 foot 3 wingspan , 240 lbs with huge hands the guy is a freak . per 40 the second best rebounder in the whole french league at 18 years old .

I see where people are going with Inglis,but my thing is are comfortable with him if he ends up a four man. He is so young and you figure he will fill out some more and could end up being a Terrence Jones type. I am not well-versed in his game, but he seems more like a face-up four than a three. Daniels at least looks the part of a three man and has a decent skill-set to work with.

That James Young dunk probably is the reason he is a borderline lottery player. That play put him on every highlight reel in the US. Daniels played a four man throughout college which makes no sense, but that is college ball in a nutshell. They don't care about developing you for the NBA. They just have their own agendas.

[Volcano]

I watched 1 game (against Larsen, not U18 game), and their twin tower setup has been pretty difficult to score against. Even the opponent has a stretch big, but their length (even their SF has some length) are very disrupting. Opponent already down by 10 after the first 8 shots. They basically shut down the opposing PF due to his length, while they have another big body at C. However, their pace and quickness are slower, so it is hard to judge the talent level. Could he be just a bench player in NBA? Well, still young, time will tell.

I remember reading that advanced stats showed that the team's defense improved quite a bit whenever Porzingis was on the floor. Not sure if I remember it correctly though.

The more I look at Capela the more I want to draft him to be our future PF. That kids defensive upside is huge with his rebounding, shot blocking instincts and PnR defense. He could become the next Amir a few years down the line. Getting stronger and getting a better midrange shot is key for him.

why? just because he has athleticism? He reminds me of one of those players you draft for his athleticism but never amounts to much due to lack of skill/ability/instincts/IQ. Stupid is really hard to fix.

For those of you who aren't yet sold on selecting Inglis with our 20th pick...

If we can agree that the Spurs have an excellent track record of scouting and drafting players, they selected a fairly similar player in Livio Jean-Charles last year with the 29th pick.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Liv ... rles-6125/

I like Inglis, but in this type of draft, where it seems fairly deep and there's a plethora of SF's..I'd rather just bank on him falling to the 2nd round or try to buy another low pick. I don't think there's any mock draft with him in the 1st round. If he's taken, just cut our losses and draft the next player with potential.

[thunderforce]

For those of you who aren't yet sold on selecting Inglis with our 20th pick...

If we can agree that the Spurs have an excellent track record of scouting and drafting players, they selected a fairly similar player in Livio Jean-Charles last year with the 29th pick.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Liv ... rles-6125/

similar only 23 lbs lighter and a couple years older .

[Indeed]

Like him as well but at 20? When James Young did that highlight dunk in the tourney it was Razor thin Daniels he blew by.

I still think I would rather have Inglis . 6 feet 8 and a half tall , 7 foot 3 wingspan , 240 lbs with huge hands the guy is a freak . per 40 the second best rebounder in the whole french league at 18 years old .

I see where people are going with Inglis,but my thing is are comfortable with him if he ends up a four man. He is so young and you figure he will fill out some more and could end up being a Terrence Jones type. I am not well-versed in his game, but he seems more like a face-up four than a three. Daniels at least looks the part of a three man and has a decent skill-set to work with.

That James Young dunk probably is the reason he is a borderline lottery player. That play put him on every highlight reel in the US. Daniels played a four man throughout college which makes no sense, but that is college ball in a nutshell. They don't care about developing you for the NBA. They just have their own agendas.

Inglis is definitely a 3 on offense. His playmaking ability (I believe similar to Kyle Anderson on offense) will make him a SF. Inglis should have better skill set than Daniels at SF.

[Naysorn]

I'd take Kyle Anderson over Andrew Wiggins in the draft.

Not the brightest crayon in the box eh

Fell for the sarcasm. Therefore, I win and you lose.

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