2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #481 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:47 am

Having just watching some game highlights on Dario Saric, if there's a chance to move up to take this guy, we should do it. I think he's going to be an impact player in the NBA. Very skilled.

Now, supposedly, there's a chance he might not come over next year, which would make me hesitate. But, if a team can get some sort of assurance that he'll come over, he's easily a lotto pick, perhaps even top 10. Sacramento would make some sense at 8, imo.

I like both Gordon and Saric for the Raptors. Just need to move up.

TankNation123 · Post #482 » by **TankNation123** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:48 am

not sure if posted but here are the recent draft videos:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC52lEJGNo4[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX1y_t7IoQs[/youtube]

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #483 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:53 am

my problem with trading up for Gordon likely means Patterson goes IMO. Doesnt make sense to have Amir/Gordon/Patterson/Val IMO. I do like him though.

kidr1211 · Post #484 » by **kidr1211** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:00 am

http://instagram.com/p/ocT_-vI8mO/

Kabookalu · Post #485 » by **Kabookalu** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:05 am

TankNation123 wrote:not sure if posted but here are the recent draft videos:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC52lEJGNo4[/youtube]

He has better body control than I expected with those spin moves. Good enough that he can build a 3rd option type scoring ability off of, like Luol Deng. What'll be key is his jumper.

raptor jesus · Post #486 » by **raptor jesus** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:20 am

Watching Norris Cole disrupt ball handlers with his relentless ball pressure makes me want a guy like that. Payton or this guy in the second round could suffice:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50eRASQeEkg[/youtube]

bigmandinky · Post #487 » by **bigmandinky** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:22 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:my problem with trading up for Gordon likely means Patterson goes IMO. Doesnt make sense to have Amir/Gordon/Patterson/Val IMO. I do like him though.

Well Gordon isn't gonna play huge minutes from the get go and IMO hell be able to play and guard okay enough at the 3 spot (MKG does it, doesn't he?). Big lineups with him JV and Patterson will still spread the floor cuz of Pat, but Gordon will give a big boost on the boards.

Either way, I don't think we have the assets to grab Gordon without giving up a valuable piece from our core. If all it takes is Salmons + 20th pick + 2016 NY First to grab a top 10 pick, then sure I'd be all over it.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #488 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:23 am

What's the consensus on Dario Saric?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF8DXvmy73Q[/youtube]

Post #489 » by **CPT** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:29 am

Looks very much like a SF in that video. Which I'm not sure is a good thing.

Edit: referring to Gordon here.

ballislife · Post #490 » by **ballislife** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:29 am

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:my problem with trading up for Gordon likely means Patterson goes IMO. Doesnt make sense to have Amir/Gordon/Patterson/Val IMO. I do like him though.

Gordon has a boat load of potential. One thing a lot of people forget is the fact that he's only 18... he still has about 3 years to grow physically. I think he can fill out at a legit 6'9" - 6'10" PF with insane athleticism. I don't care if we keep or let Patterson go if we can grab that type of potential tbh.

Another guy I really want (if Masai deems his health issues, are a non-issue), is Adreian Payne. He might be older than other prospects, but he still has room to grow, and he'd be an excellent fit beside JV in the future. Great shooter/ball handler/size at the PF. If he drops, I hope we draft him and let Patterson walk. Pat is going to want $4-5 million... we could use that money elsewhere. Patterson's good, but he's not a reason to look elsewhere in the draft.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #491 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:34 am

CPT wrote:Looks very much like a SF in that video. Which I'm not sure is a good thing.

Saric has a chance to be special, defence be damned.

For the record, I think he'll start out as a SF. But, eventually, he'll move to PF long-term, as he gets stronger. But, dude is one of the more skilled players in the draft. Fits in nicely with this squad.

Lowry
DeRozan
Saric
Johnson
Valanciunas

He'll take Amir's spot at PF, down the road.

Post #492 » by **CPT** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:37 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
CPT wrote:Looks very much like a SF in that video. Which I'm not sure is a good thing.

Saric has a chance to be special, defence be damned.

For the record, I think he'll start out as a SF. But, eventually, he'll move to PF long-term, as he gets stronger. But, dude is one of the more skilled players in the draft. Fits in nicely with this squad.

Lowry
DeRozan
Saric
Johnson
Valanciunas

He'll take Amir's spot at PF, down the road.

Sorry, was referring to Gordon, lol.

Can't reply fast enough on the Raps board.

cammac · Post #493 » by **cammac** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:40 am

Like Saric he is a very good player but guess my biggest worry is he as good as he looks?
He is playing in the Adriatic League which isn't top tier maybe about 7th best league in Europe.
Look at Nurics numbers beastly but he does have a NBA body.
With Euro "BIGS" like both Porzingis & Capela better both playing in better leagues Spanish & French.
The cost of moving down for him wouldn't justify the rewards.

Kabookalu · Post #494 » by **Kabookalu** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:51 am

CPT wrote:Sorry, was referring to Gordon, lol.

Can't reply fast enough on the Raps board.

I think some teams are actually looking at him as an SF because he may not have the measurements to play PF.

While he does fit the tweener label, the concern most teams have of tweeners is that they're poor defenders at both positions because they're too slow to guard 3's and too short to guard 4's. But Gordon is one of the best defensive players in this draft so he doesn't have as much of that worry.

God Squad · Post #495 » by **God Squad** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:37 am

Ross isn't thrown away. It's just we don't get attached to players. If we can improve as a team then move them.
JV/Ross/DD/Amir imo have most player value. TBH I'd move everyone of them for the right deal. I don't like our team very much.

Lowrys the real keeper. Most heart.

Ross is hella overrated on this board.

God Squad · Post #496 » by **God Squad** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:39 am

Anatomize wrote:With all respect, DeMar's past season was better than anything Gallinari has ever done. Gallinari might be the most overrated player I've seen in the NBA. Ever since D'antoni raved about him back in NY, people wouldn't get off his bandwagon. Meanwhile, there is nothing to prove that he's better than an average player at best. Wow, I really didn't know the DeMar hate on here was so strong, I'm not a huge DeMar fan, but even I'm willing to admit that is an absolutely awful deal for us after his breakout all-star year.

100!

God Squad · Post #497 » by **God Squad** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:42 am

Indeed wrote:
Kenyon009 wrote:
Indeed wrote:Giving up Ross would be too much, imo. At most Ross and #59. Meanwhile, we will have a hole at PG/SG defensively. There is no way DeRozan and Vasquez can guard elite PG/SG (eg. Harden, JR Smith, and etc.). We should either give up on DeRozan or Vasquez instead of Ross, because Ross gives us something we lack (3 + D).

I agree that Ross+59 be the most I'd be willing to give up. Ross is a future GREAT 3+D guy. He's an elite defensive player and 3 point shooter in 3 years book it. Then again Aaron Gordon does have that Blake Griffin vibe to him plus he's younger. That, in my opinion, easily costs Ross, if a guy like LaVine drops to 20 it makes the decision all that much more easier. I'm hoping we do a draft day deal of Ross for Gordon and can select LaVine with the 20 and Ingilis drops to 39. Slim chance but no hurt in hoping.

Val
Gordon
???/Inglis
DeRozan/LaVine
Lowry

If all those guys worked out that be 3 cheap rookie deals. They all have the tools to survive at the NBA level too. From athleticism to skill and size.

I still think Gordon is a SF, so I would have this lineup:
Val
???/Inglis
Gordon/Inglis
LaVine/DeRozan
Lowry/LaVine

I am struggling between LaVine and DeRozan, and I have LaVine over DeRozan. Since both may not be a good defender. I wonder who will guard Harden or RJ Smith. This is why I prefer Ross just in case we need a stopper instead of a scorer.

You lost me with that one. :noway:

.. I'm not a DD Fan boy, But he can already score in the NBA and made the all stars. :banghead:

lol

Kenyon009 · Post #498 » by **Kenyon009** » Tue May 27, 2014 5:50 am

Indeed wrote:
Kenyon009 wrote:
Indeed wrote:Giving up Ross would be too much, imo. At most Ross and #59. Meanwhile, we will have a hole at PG/SG defensively. There is no way DeRozan and Vasquez can guard elite PG/SG (eg. Harden, JR Smith, and etc.). We should either give up on DeRozan or Vasquez instead of Ross, because Ross gives us something we lack (3 + D).

I agree that Ross+59 be the most I'd be willing to give up. Ross is a future GREAT 3+D guy. He's an elite defensive player and 3 point shooter in 3 years book it. Then again Aaron Gordon does have that Blake Griffin vibe to him plus he's younger. That, in my opinion, easily costs Ross, if a guy like LaVine drops to 20 it makes the decision all that much more easier. I'm hoping we do a draft day deal of Ross for Gordon and can select LaVine with the 20 and Ingilis drops to 39. Slim chance but no hurt in hoping.

Val
Gordon
???/Inglis
DeRozan/LaVine
Lowry

If all those guys worked out that be 3 cheap rookie deals. They all have the tools to survive at the NBA level too. From athleticism to skill and size.

I still think Gordon is a SF, so I would have this lineup:
Val
???/Inglis
Gordon/Inglis
LaVine/DeRozan
Lowry/LaVine

I am struggling between LaVine and DeRozan, and I have LaVine over DeRozan. Since both may not be a good defender. I wonder who will guard Harden or RJ Smith. This is why I prefer Ross just in case we need a stopper instead of a scorer.

LaVine over DeRozan?

Aaron Gordon isn't a SF he can't shoot at all. Look at his FT%. The only thing with him is that he has a lot of raw good skill and at 19 he could amount to something. He needs to be obsessed with being a great player and he could definitely achieve it.

Risk101 · Post #499 » by **Risk101** » Tue May 27, 2014 8:37 am

raptor jesus wrote:Watching Norris Cole disrupt ball handlers with his relentless ball pressure makes me want a guy like that. Payton or this guy in the second round could suffice:

I watch Russ Smith and see almost the same type of game as T.J but with more athleticism

-They're both small gaurds physically but player bigger.
-Both are lightening quick.
-Both are pitbulls on the defensive end getting up on there guys looking to disrupt passes.
-Both are vocal leaders for their respective teams.

I loved T.J's heart when he played for us and if Russ can bring that to our team then I'm all for it.

Indeed · Post #500 » by **Indeed** » Tue May 27, 2014 10:33 am

Kenyon009 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Kenyon009 wrote:I agree that Ross+59 be the most I'd be willing to give up. Ross is a future GREAT 3+D guy. He's an elite defensive player and 3 point shooter in 3 years book it. Then again Aaron Gordon does have that Blake Griffin vibe to him plus he's younger. That, in my opinion, easily costs Ross, if a guy like LaVine drops to 20 it makes the decision all that much more easier. I'm hoping we do a draft day deal of Ross for Gordon and can select LaVine with the 20 and Ingilis drops to 39. Slim chance but no hurt in hoping.

Val
Gordon
???/Inglis
DeRozan/LaVine
Lowry

If all those guys worked out that be 3 cheap rookie deals. They all have the tools to survive at the NBA level too. From athleticism to skill and size.

I still think Gordon is a SF, so I would have this lineup:
Val
???/Inglis
Gordon/Inglis
LaVine/DeRozan
Lowry/LaVine

I am struggling between LaVine and DeRozan, and I have LaVine over DeRozan. Since both may not be a good defender. I wonder who will guard Harden or RJ Smith. This is why I prefer Ross just in case we need a stopper instead of a scorer.

LaVine over DeRozan?

Aaron Gordon isn't a SF he can't shoot at all. Look at his FT%. The only thing with him is that he has a lot of raw good skill and at 19 he could amount to something. He needs to be obsessed with being a great player and he could definitely achieve it.

I responded to the other post the reason why I have LaVine ahead of DeRozan. I believe LaVine may have a better handle. Also, LaVine has similar measurement to DeRozan, so it would be a close call between him and DeRozan.

As for Gordon, you probably didn't read the thread. The previous page has Gordon shooting 3s lights on. I don't think he has issue playing SF. The question is would he still be growing.