2014 Official FA Thread

SunsFan1234 · Post #721 » by **SunsFan1234** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:56 pm

I wonder if Orlando would be willing to deal the 4th.

Bledsoe + 18 for Afflalo + 4.

Bledsoe gives them their PG and don't have to take a risk with Exum and Olidipo/Bledsoe backcourt would be nasty.

Suns get Afflalo, a solid defensive minded 2 who can knock down the open 3 and pick up the 4th pick and go after a big Noah Vonleh or Gordon.

NaturalBuns · Post #722 » by **NaturalBuns** » Thu May 22, 2014 5:58 pm

To move that far up your going to have to add #14 and I'd rather keep Bledsoe if the wiggins and Parker are off the board

thamadkant · Post #723 » by **thamadkant** » Thu May 22, 2014 7:22 pm

You can't trade Bledsoe on draft day.

But maybe a month later... Sign and trade perhaps.

NotTraxxe · Post #724 » by **NotTraxxe** » Thu May 22, 2014 7:37 pm

I'd rather trade Dragic in that scenario and make it Dragic/#27 for and #4/Afflalo

Dragic would go well with Oladipo and is a tastier morsel if Orlando would swallow.
Then trade Frye/#14 for the Kings #8

Draft Exum and Gordon/Vonleh
Draft Warren/Hood at #18

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Exum/Green
Afflalo/Hood or Warren/Morris
Morris/Vonleh or Gordon
Plumlee/Len

We would then have a crap ton of assets and cap for 2015 to trade for a superstar to bring on.

JDLAW · Post #725 » by **JDLAW** » Fri May 23, 2014 12:55 am

NotTraxxe wrote:I'd rather trade Dragic in that scenario and make it Dragic/#27 for and #4/Afflalo

Dragic would go well with Oladipo and is a tastier morsel if Orlando would swallow.
Then trade Frye/#14 for the Kings #8

Draft Exum and Gordon/Vonleh
Draft Warren/Hood at #18

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Exum/Green
Afflalo/Hood or Warren/Morris
Morris/Vonleh or Gordon
Plumlee/Len

We would then have a crap ton of assets and cap for 2015 to trade for a superstar to bring on.

I'd rather not make any of these "moves".

kingstyyyle · Post #726 » by **kingstyyyle** » Sun May 25, 2014 12:49 am

Bulls seem to be getting ready to amnisty Boozer. Might be a good waiver pick up a la scola

King4Day · Post #727 » by **King4Day** » Mon May 26, 2014 4:00 am

kingstyyyle wrote:Bulls seem to be getting ready to amnisty Boozer. Might be a good waiver pick up a la scola

Agreed. If he doesn't work, he's just a 1 year rental and we may be able to trade him for something (I think you can trade amnesty guys the first year but I forget. If not, then just play out the year).

RunDogGun · Post #728 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon May 26, 2014 4:03 am

DarkHawk wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:Bulls seem to be getting ready to amnisty Boozer. Might be a good waiver pick up a la scola

Agreed. If he doesn't work, he's just a 1 year rental and we may be able to trade him for something (I think you can trade amnesty guys the first year but I forget. If not, then just play out the year).

We weren't allowed to trade Scola for a full year. I think it's the same for any amenitied player.

King4Day · Post #729 » by **King4Day** » Mon May 26, 2014 11:41 am

RunDogGun wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:Bulls seem to be getting ready to amnisty Boozer. Might be a good waiver pick up a la scola

Agreed. If he doesn't work, he's just a 1 year rental and we may be able to trade him for something (I think you can trade amnesty guys the first year but I forget. If not, then just play out the year).

We weren't allowed to trade Scola for a full year. I think it's the same for any amenitied player.

Gotcha. O well... I'd def still take a flyer on him

Saberestar · Post #730 » by **Saberestar** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:26 pm

Stephenson believes he is getting under the skin of James, who earlier Sunday said he does not want to get in a verbal back and forth with Stephenson.

"To me, I think it's a sign of weakness because he never used to say nothing to me," Stephenson said. "I always used to be the one who used to be the one that say, 'I'm going to get under you. I'm going to do something to get you mad' Now he's trying to do it to me. I feel like it's a weakness.

I don't want this guy on our team. Even at the minimum.Period.

Beasley looks like a brilliant mind next to him.

RunDogGun · Post #731 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue May 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Stephenson believes he is getting under the skin of James, who earlier Sunday said he does not want to get in a verbal back and forth with Stephenson.

"To me, I think it's a sign of weakness because he never used to say nothing to me," Stephenson said. "I always used to be the one who used to be the one that say, 'I'm going to get under you. I'm going to do something to get you mad' Now he's trying to do it to me. I feel like it's a weakness.

I don't want this guy on our team. Even at the minimum.Period.

Beasley looks like a brilliant mind next to him.

After Stevenson's performance last night, I think James did a good job getting into Lance's head. But clearly there is a lot of empty space in there.

kingstyyyle · Post #732 » by **kingstyyyle** » Tue May 27, 2014 3:56 pm

Anyone know how the waver wire works in regards to contract? If we pick up Boozer on the wire is his new contract 1 year because he would've only had one year left on his old contract?

jcsunsfan · Post #733 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:34 pm

kingstyyyle wrote:Anyone know how the waver wire works in regards to contract? If we pick up Boozer on the wire is his new contract 1 year because he would've only had one year left on his old contract?

I believe this is correct. But he is also untradeable for a year. I think that rule was intended to keep teams from bidding just to trade the player elsewhere.

With amnesty the rules are a bit different that the waiver wire.

kingstyyyle · Post #734 » by **kingstyyyle** » Tue May 27, 2014 4:41 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:Anyone know how the waver wire works in regards to contract? If we pick up Boozer on the wire is his new contract 1 year because he would've only had one year left on his old contract?

I believe this is correct. But he is also untradeable for a year. I think that rule was intended to keep teams from bidding just to trade the player elsewhere.

With amnesty the rules are a bit different that the waiver wire.

I suppose I meant amnesty. I only ask because if we can't upgrade the PF position in a trade and we don't want to start Keiff picking up Boozer might make sense. Especially if his contract is expiring in one year and he's cheap.

jcsunsfan · Post #735 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue May 27, 2014 6:55 pm

kingstyyyle wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:Anyone know how the waver wire works in regards to contract? If we pick up Boozer on the wire is his new contract 1 year because he would've only had one year left on his old contract?

I believe this is correct. But he is also untradeable for a year. I think that rule was intended to keep teams from bidding just to trade the player elsewhere.

With amnesty the rules are a bit different that the waiver wire.

I suppose I meant amnesty. I only ask because if we can't upgrade the PF position in a trade and we don't want to start Keiff picking up Boozer might make sense. Especially if his contract is expiring in one year and he's cheap.

Starting Kieff is not a bad option.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #736 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue May 27, 2014 7:06 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Starting Kieff is not a bad option.

Agreed. Think we'd need length, shooting, and rebounding at the 3 spot to make it work, though. That's a lot to ask.

Kieff could be a perennial 6MOY or a below-average starting PF. His lack of rebounding and shotblocking ability limits his ceiling. Starting Kieff is a temporary solution unless we have elite play at the 3 and 5 spots.

kingstyyyle · Post #737 » by **kingstyyyle** » Tue May 27, 2014 7:51 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
I believe this is correct. But he is also untradeable for a year. I think that rule was intended to keep teams from bidding just to trade the player elsewhere.

With amnesty the rules are a bit different that the waiver wire.

I suppose I meant amnesty. I only ask because if we can't upgrade the PF position in a trade and we don't want to start Keiff picking up Boozer might make sense. Especially if his contract is expiring in one year and he's cheap.

Starting Kieff is not a bad option.

I agree. I just think that with Bledsoe's extension this off season and Dragic and the Morris Bro.s next year something has to give. Also McD has talked about upgrading the front court. Just another option if the Bulls decide to part ways. Also adding him in this situation wouldn't cost any assets.

Hsker4Life · Post #738 » by **Hsker4Life** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:45 am

NotTraxxe wrote:I'd rather trade Dragic in that scenario and make it Dragic/#27 for and #4/Afflalo

Dragic would go well with Oladipo and is a tastier morsel if Orlando would swallow.
Then trade Frye/#14 for the Kings #8

Draft Exum and Gordon/Vonleh
Draft Warren/Hood at #18

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Exum/Green
Afflalo/Hood or Warren/Morris
Morris/Vonleh or Gordon
Plumlee/Len

We would then have a crap ton of assets and cap for 2015 to trade for a superstar to bring on.

Trade away our clear best player? I don't see the reasoning behind that.

I don't want to give away Dragic or Bledsoe. It was obvious that with those 2 healthy all year, we would have been a Top6 seed. We could add another piece or two and make a serious run.

sunsbum · Post #739 » by **sunsbum** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:02 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Starting Kieff is not a bad option.

Agreed. Think we'd need length, shooting, and rebounding at the 3 spot to make it work, though. That's a lot to ask.

Kieff could be a perennial 6MOY or a below-average starting PF. His lack of rebounding and shotblocking ability limits his ceiling. Starting Kieff is a temporary solution unless we have elite play at the 3 and 5 spots.

Below average starting PF? Gurl you crazy.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #740 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:05 am

sunsbum wrote:Below average starting PF? Gurl you crazy.

Kevin Love
Anthony Davis
Al Horford
Paul Millsap
Al Jefferson
Dirk Nowitzki
Kenneth Fareid
Zach Randolph
Chris Bosh
Greg Monroe
LaMarcus Aldridge
David Lee
Blake Griffin
Serge Ibaka
David West
Channing Frye
Pau Gasol
Derrick Favors
Tim Duncan
Nene
Carlos Boozer
Amir Johnson
Markieff Morris
Taj Gibson
Terrence Jones
Josh Smith
Jared Sullinger
Ryan Anderson
Tristan Thompson

In no particular order, the starting PFs who are better than (above) and worse than (below) Markieff Morris. Some of those listed above are arguable (Boozer, Nene, Frye), as are some listed below (Gibson, Jones, Sullinger). You could play around with the definition of PF, but I think it's clear that Markieff is not better than the 16th PF in the league. And in this draft, I think Randle, Vonleh, Saric, and probably Gordon will all be better than Markieff. Maybe Payne and Capela will also be. So, yeah. I feel pretty confident that Markieff is below-average as a starter.