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2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#541 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 27, 2014 5:39 pm

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How about asking for some actual basketball skills. Ranking prospects based solely on physical measurements is a quick way to draft a bust.

Don't get me wrong, I like the potential of Inglis. But he is not going to be draft at #20.


Agreed. I love Inglis' potential but at #20, he's a massive reach. I think we gotta take a skilled guy at #20 (Payne, Payton, Anderson, Hairston etc) and leave the gem mining til the second round.


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How is Inglis a massive reach and Capela isn't?


Never said Capella wasn't a reach. Tbh, he's not in my top 3 choices. Either way, most mock drafts has him going around #20.


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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#542 » by TheDunc » Tue May 27, 2014 5:40 pm

Gordon isn't a SF but he definitely will be BPA at 20. The player I really want to come out of this draft with is Damien Inglis, he's a jumpshot away from being a good two way player. If Kyle Anderson was a better athlete then he would easily be my choice but he's not.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#543 » by HolyMage110 » Tue May 27, 2014 5:41 pm

Have a feeling that gordon will have a similar career as derrick williams
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#544 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 27, 2014 5:46 pm

HolyMage110 wrote:Have a feeling that gordon will have a similar career as derrick williams


Yup. Not surprised. A lot of similarities


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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#545 » by Double Helix » Tue May 27, 2014 5:46 pm

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How about asking for some actual basketball skills. Ranking prospects based solely on physical measurements is a quick way to draft a bust.

Don't get me wrong, I like the potential of Inglis. But he is not going to be draft at #20.


Agreed. I love Inglis' potential but at #20, he's a massive reach. I think we gotta take a skilled guy at #20 (Payne, Payton, Anderson, Hairston etc) and leave the gem mining til the second round.


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How is Inglis a massive reach and Capela isn't?


The biggest difference is that Capela has shown more while still being young. You'd have no argument from me if you were talking about Capela at 18 turning 19 last year vs Inglis at 19 this year. But Capela made substantial strides this year and was very productive over the 22 minutes that he played to give people more to go off than just his physical upside. Inglis is still largely physical upside. You have to extract his per minute production over a smaller sample size just as you would have had to do with Capela if he had declared last year.

Capela played 7 more minutes per game and was highly productive over the entire 22 minutes he played. We all know the limitations of PER but here, in the same league, it's probably as good as any way to quickly highlight the productive box score differences on a per minute basis between the two young players. Capela had a PER of 23.7 in the French league and a PER of 26.8 in Eurocup. Inglis had a PER of 14.4 and didn't play in Eurocup.

I like Inglis' upside, and I understand the logic in suggesting that Inglis is a better prospect at this age than Capela was last year at the same age but Capela didn't declare last year. He's coming out now and this year he gave scouts some highly productive minutes in both the regular season and tournaments to suggest he's taken that next step that you'd still only be hoping for Inglis to take. Upside with productivity to fall back on vs upside. That's the difference.
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Post#546 » by bballsparkin » Tue May 27, 2014 6:01 pm

I think people are sleeping on Randle. His offensive skills are mightily impressive.
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Post#547 » by Risk101 » Tue May 27, 2014 6:08 pm

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Post#548 » by BillyGM » Tue May 27, 2014 6:31 pm

Whois Perry Jones of this years draft (projected to go top 10 and then falling heavily)?
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#549 » by Kevin Willis » Tue May 27, 2014 6:33 pm

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BillyGM wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Agreed. I love Inglis' potential but at #20, he's a massive reach. I think we gotta take a skilled guy at #20 (Payne, Payton, Anderson, Hairston etc) and leave the gem mining til the second round.


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How is Inglis a massive reach and Capela isn't?


The biggest difference is that Capela has shown more while still being young. You'd have no argument from me if you were talking about Capela at 18 turning 19 last year vs Inglis at 19 this year. But Capela made substantial strides this year and was very productive over the 22 minutes that he played to give people more to go off than just his physical upside. Inglis is still largely physical upside. You have to extract his per minute production over a smaller sample size just as you would have had to do with Capela if he had declared last year.

Capela played 7 more minutes per game and was highly productive over the entire 22 minutes he played. We all know the limitations of PER but here, in the same league, it's probably as good as any way to quickly highlight the productive box score differences on a per minute basis between the two young players. Capela had a PER of 23.7 in the French league and a PER of 26.8 in Eurocup. Inglis had a PER of 14.4 and didn't play in Eurocup.

I like Inglis' upside, and I understand the logic in suggesting that Inglis is a better prospect at this age than Capela was last year at the same age but Capela didn't declare last year. He's coming out now and this year he gave scouts some highly productive minutes in both the regular season and tournaments to suggest he's taken that next step that you'd still only be hoping for Inglis to take. Upside with productivity to fall back on vs upside. That's the difference.


Wow well said. I don't even want Capela but your case was compelling enough for it to be palpable choice. Your concerns about Inglis are legit and I think people are starting to understand that there is a reason why he is slotted as a second round pick.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#550 » by Dukenukem23 » Tue May 27, 2014 6:35 pm

I have this feeling that Wiggins is going 3rd to Philly. If Embiids back checks out he's the best prospect by a good margin. Parker is the most NBA ready and could possibly have even more upside then Wiggins. I really wouldn't be shocked to see it happen, I've pictured him in a Sixers jersey for a couple years now.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#551 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue May 27, 2014 6:36 pm

BillyGM wrote:Whois Perry Jones of this years draft (projected to go top 10 and then falling heavily)?


I don't know, but PJ had health issues which caused him to slide. We haven't heard enough draft buzz yet to find out. I personally think Gordon is going to slide based on a weak skillset and tweener status. I also think Saric' buyout might cause him to slip a bit, too.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#552 » by Risk101 » Tue May 27, 2014 6:50 pm

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MJ said "I'm gonna make them pay for taking me 3rd".

That competitive spirit from these new age guys is gone. If Wiggins was picked 3 overall in this years draft he would have been like "Meh whatever".
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Post#553 » by Dr Positivity » Tue May 27, 2014 6:55 pm

2nd round sleeper Travis Bader

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7Vn3qCUes[/youtube]

Shooting GAWD. He hit 39.9% from 3 on 11 attempts a game and 94.4 FT%. 6'6.5 wingspan 2 guard and wouldn't be the worst athlete in the NBA.

Drafting Kapono in 2nd round is a good pick
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#554 » by Tortiglioni » Tue May 27, 2014 7:09 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:2nd round sleeper Travis Bader

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7Vn3qCUes[/youtube]

Shooting GAWD. He hit 39.9% from 3 on 11 attempts a game and 94.4 FT%. 6'6.5 wingspan 2 guard and wouldn't be the worst athlete in the NBA.

Drafting Kapono in 2nd round is a good pick


Lol - where do you come up with this stuff. There is a 0% chance Bader ever plays an NBA game in his life, and he wouldn't even be drafted if the NBA added a third round to its draft.
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Post#555 » by Dr Positivity » Tue May 27, 2014 7:16 pm

He made into a Chad Ford article for getting workout buzz, so I'd say his odds are better than you think

Bader's bona fide deep game

Bader was the NCAA's all-time leader in 3-point shots made. So guess what he did well in the workout? He can really shoot the lights out. His lack of elite size or athleticism for his position means he's not a lock to get drafted, but watching him in the 3-on-3 action, I felt he held his own on the floor with five other first-round picks. I think if more scouts see him in this setting, he's got a good chance of getting picked up by someone in the second round.
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Post#556 » by ontnut » Tue May 27, 2014 7:18 pm

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Waylon Mercy wrote:It's amazing how much love Inglis gets on this board I haven't heard a peep about him
from any of the draft experts or websites or other fans around the league. Yet when
I'm on here people act like he's the next big thing.

To be fair, a lot of draft experts and people here were both pretty high on Biyombo. Few people had Valanciunas on the radar, and I can't remember much being said about him. Nobody had Ross anywhere near the top 10...so yeah. Hard for me to look down on people's love for a player simply because the "experts" don'y talk much about him.


Biyombo and Val were lottery picks on most draft experts mocks and Ross was supposed to
go in the teens. Inglis is a guy who's supposed to be a mid 2nd rounder on Draft Express mock
haven't seen him mentioned by the other ones although I haven't seen Chad Fords latest mock.

Maybe they weren't the best examples, but they were relevant for Toronto's RGM board. Thing is, even the draft experts are way wrong a lot of the time. Just because they aren't saying much about the player doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be drafted at that slot/deserve the praise he's getting/won't exceed his projected draft slot in terms of production at the NBA level. Mid 2nd round to mid-late first is a pretty big jump, but so was taking ross in the top 10 when he was projected 22nd or so from what I recall.

I'm not saying I know anything about this player, or that I support him being drafted...just saying that he could be good, regardless of how much press he's receiving.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#557 » by BillyGM » Tue May 27, 2014 7:22 pm

Tortiglioni wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:2nd round sleeper Travis Bader

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7Vn3qCUes[/youtube]

Shooting GAWD. He hit 39.9% from 3 on 11 attempts a game and 94.4 FT%. 6'6.5 wingspan 2 guard and wouldn't be the worst athlete in the NBA.

Drafting Kapono in 2nd round is a good pick


Lol - where do you come up with this stuff. There is a 0% chance Bader ever plays an NBA game in his life, and he wouldn't even be drafted if the NBA added a third round to its draft.

But that guy in the video will curve a nice career in Europe
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#558 » by for_tdot » Tue May 27, 2014 7:28 pm

Bryan Colangelo wrote:who are the best sf's on defense in this draft?????
K.J. McDaniels?
Jerami Grant?
Damien Inglis? (Tremendous potential defensively. Has the wingspan, frame, intensity level, lateral quickness and instincts to stay in front of virtually any player. Guarded every position in the games we saw - Givony)
is there anyone else besides lottery picks?

Glenn Robinson?
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