Singler's value?

[DCintheD]

Is he worth a pick in the 20s to any team?

I can see him providing depth to a anyone that needs shooting. We obviously need shooting but I'd rather take a chance on GR3. Singler for GR3 would be good value for us.

I think a lot of contenders can use Singler. Who is willing to give up a pick in the 20s for him?

This would be nice if we kept 38 too. No way I see GR3 falling out of the 1st.

[dan2314]

smith + singler to boston/l.a/sac for this years first round pick... pick marcus smart = success.

[Mr Peanut]

Singler was our best 3pt shooter this season, and we are a team that desperately needs outside shooting. Quite content to hold onto him.

[Kilo]

I'd trade him for a late first rounder though don't know if any of the teams picking in the 24-30 range would feel the same way given the depth of the draft. I'd do it because we know what Singler is and he's more a no drama, do the little things, depth bench player. He'd probably be really good off the bench in San Antonio, Miami, LAC, GS, Chicago, OKC and the like but would be asked to do too much here and exposed a bit.

Maybe offer him to PHX for their #27, as PHX will already have had a couple picks at #14 and #18 and might not want three rookies.

[The Penguin]

Shouldn't teams like San Antonio being interested in him tell us all we need to know about if we should move him?

He's a high character 7th/8th man who is one of our best shooters, he's part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[ImHeisenberg]

They could easily move him for a pick in the first round. Once you're picking 15+ it's a relative gamble if you're even getting a rotation player. Singler isn't a star, but he's a proven rotation player.

Honestly, I doubt I would be interested in trading him for the gamble. We know what he is and isn't, which is better than drafting an unknown.

[Kilo]

^We're in different situations though - a good fit for what SA (and the like) needs isn't a good fit for what we need right now. We need starters, they need complimentary players that fill a specific niche/role. We get a late first and swing for the fences, while they take the safer known entity with lower ceiling and higher floor.

It is true that this is how the good teams stay good, but we need to get good first and then worry about rounding out our team with Singler types.

[paQo the BAWSER]

He's so damn good at the corner 3pt shot but he's bad in the frontal.

[The Penguin]

^We're in different situations though - a good fit for what SA (and the like) needs isn't a good fit for what we need right now. We need starters, they need complimentary players that fill a specific niche/role. We get a late first and swing for the fences, while they take the safer known entity with lower ceiling and higher floor.

It is true that this is how the good teams stay good, but we need to get good first and then worry about rounding out our team with Singler types.

We aren't going to find starters in the 20s and aren't likely to find someone better than Singler. Look at the 2011 draft (Singler's class). Between 18-32 there were some good players (Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris) picked, but there were also guys like Nolan Smith, Chris Singleton, MarShon Brooks, JaJuan Johnson who are desperately holding on to 12th man spots. Sometimes taking a single is better than trying for a home run. If we were capped out I'd buy more into your line of thinking, but if we add a guy like Hayward, Ariza, Deng etc in FA then we have our "starters". A guy who can back up the 2/3, hit an open shot and play smart basketball is a major need and we have a good player who can do those things.

[Kilo]

Reggie Jackson would be an interesting player for us right about now though and I've heard his name thrown around by some Piston fans that he should be a target for us as our PG of the future as OKC won't be able to match and starter money type deal for him.

There are starters to be found in the 20's - just as their are busts of course. But I'll take that gamble where we're at as a franchise right now and trust that our scouts and SVG can identify a player who could start for us.

[DBC10]

Singler has been the most quietest "best" 3 point shooter this whole season.

I didn't even know he shot it all that well to be honest.

[HotelVitale]

They could easily move him for a pick in the first round. Once you're picking 15+ it's a relative gamble if you're even getting a rotation player. Singler isn't a star, but he's a proven rotation player.
Honestly, I doubt I would be interested in trading him for the gamble. We know what he is and isn't, which is better than drafting an unknown.

We aren't going to find starters in the 20s and aren't likely to find someone better than Singler.

The draft is a 'gamble' since nothing's guaranteed, but the upside of the gamble is much much better than the downside: you might get a starter for almost nothing (which would save you tens of millions of dollars) or you could get a bust which would cost you a few million bucks. You take that gamble every minute of every day.

Even in the weak 2011 draft, you had the following guys from 15-30 be solid, impactful starters while locked into cheap cheap deals:
Kawhi Leonard
Nic Vucevic
Tobias Harris
Kenneth Faried
Reggie Jackson
Jimmy Butler
Those guys would all fetch $8-14m on the open market, and the team that drafted them get them for $1-2m for 4 years. Singler's value will never reach that level, and it's a LOT harder to find starrting-level guys than it is bench guys. This is one of the only ways to do it, and it's the only way to do it cheaply. (Plus, other guys like Mirotic and Monteijunas are possibly starting caliber, Mirotic is definitely expected to be. And if a lot of the other guys drafted in that range were on our crappy thin roster, they would have had a good chance of posting the sort of numbers that Singler did the last two years).

Also, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the league, but I'd be very very surprised if Singler's value were that high now. It's hard to see him becoming an above average bench player, which means he's roughly a replacement level player. Plus people questioned the Wizards giving away a mid-1st for Gortat, a player with a much much greater impact on both ends of the court. And Marco Bellinelli is a better all-around player than Singler and he signed for 2/$5m this year, and there's no way he would've netted any kind of first. (Ditto for Mike Dunleavy, who got a 2/$6m last season). Singler is younger than those two but he's not athletic enough or a good enough defender to entice any team. He's reasonably smart and a solid low-volume shooter, can't see that being enough for a first.

[BadMofoPimp]

Singlers is cheap and isn't going to bring back any assets worth more than his value. He is going nowhere.

[theBigLip]

Singler was our best 3pt shooter this season, and we are a team that desperately needs outside shooting. Quite content to hold onto him.

Agree. He may not "starter quality", but he certainly deserves to be in our rotation. I'd keep him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Singler was our best 3pt shooter this season, and we are a team that desperately needs outside shooting. Quite content to hold onto him.

Agree. He may not "starter quality", but he certainly deserves to be in our rotation. I'd keep him.

Stan loves role players especially ones that can shoot the 3. For what Singler gets paid, he ain't going nowhere. Especially, for some 20 somthing pick which in most conditions end up with worse.

[Neptune]

Singler is decent, he might be worth a 25-30 1st round pick. I like him as a 18-22min bench player, but as a starter he's completely garbage.

[dVs33]

I like singler a lot. He's a solid all round no nonsense guy.
He doesn't have much of a ceiling, but he's a good guy to have on the bench. He wouldn't get us much of a return, so it's better to just hang onto him.

[The Penguin]

The real question: Why the heck was he our representative at the lottery? I don't know if I ever remember a current player rep jumping into the top 3. It's almost always children/old men/former players/whoever Cleveland sends. I wish we'd just liquor up Rodman or Laimbeer and send them every time.

[epheisey]

He's so damn good at the corner 3pt shot but he's bad in the frontal.

Basically he just needs to work on his frontal then? Do you suspect it's the wrist action? I'm sure with some practice, he'll knock that frontal in no problem in the future.