2014 off season

[Podirk]

68 mill committed to 10 players.

Currently 2 open roster spots
Fisher and Thabo are FA
Thabeet has a Team Option for 1.25 mill

Thunder currently have 2 draft picks
TPE of 6.5
MLE of 5.5

Perk expiring of 9 mill (amnesty available)

Thunder theoretically could have 59 mill committed to 9 players.

[jackson77]

Good news, at the end of the tunnel

[theokie]

Tax is reportedly going to be at 75 million next year. So even without the amnesty we could use the full MLE to get someone, and possibly keep Thabo as well if we want depending on what he asks for (and they way he's been playing it shouldn't be that much).

[Envelopes]

Is Tibor coming over? I assume the other guy stays for another year.

[Podirk]

Is Tibor coming over? I assume the other guy stays for another year.

Surely there is a pretty good chance. His NBA out I think is a little cheaper, he tweeted he wants to be in the NBA in 2014, and Thabeet surely won't have his 1.25mill TO picked up.

[Podirk]

Just a reminder after hearing local OKC sports radio blaspheming about reality.

Talking about amnestying Perk. They said, summarizing here, of course you amnesty Perk. Then you go out and sign Luol Deng to 9-10 million and fill out your roster.

PROBLEM....there is no way the Thunder can do that. Even if Perk was amnestied (why the heck do it now if you haven't the last few years??) it would take the team salary to 59ish million....4/5 million under the salary cap. You can't sign outside free agents to an amount sending you over the salary cap (outside of the TPE, MLE, Vet Min, etc.). 4/5 mill aint gonna get you Luol Deng who made 14 mill this season.

6.5 mill. That's the number of the HIGHEST possible contract the Thunder can sign a player to (Martin TPE).

So outside of a trade....9/10 million dollar contracts aren't happening.

[Podirk]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... nticipated

with a 77 million lux tax.


FA aquisitions...

Meeks
Miller (I'm disgusted too)
Pleiss (not FA..but none the less..)

Starting unit of:
Russ, Reg, KD, Ibaka, Adams
Bench unit of:
Meeks, Lamb, Miller and PJ, Collison, Perk, Pleiss depending on situations.

Roberson, Jerrett, Rookie 1

[bondom34]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24533195/nba-cap-projected-to-increase-more-than-anticipated

with a 77 million lux tax.


FA aquisitions...

Meeks
Miller (I'm disgusted too)
Pleiss (not FA..but none the less..)

Starting unit of:
Russ, Reg, KD, Ibaka, Adams
Bench unit of:
Meeks, Lamb, Miller and PJ, Collison, Perk, Pleiss depending on situations.

Roberson, Jerrett, Rookie 1

Good call! I'll wait to sticky til the season is over, don't want to jinx anything yet, but was thinking of this. I'd like to see if they could go for Mo Williams as backup PG as well, or maybe one of Vince Carter/Rodney Stuckey as a SG off the bench.

[Podirk]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24533195/nba-cap-projected-to-increase-more-than-anticipated

with a 77 million lux tax.


FA aquisitions...

Meeks
Miller (I'm disgusted too)
Pleiss (not FA..but none the less..)

Starting unit of:
Russ, Reg, KD, Ibaka, Adams
Bench unit of:
Meeks, Lamb, Miller and PJ, Collison, Perk, Pleiss depending on situations.

Roberson, Jerrett, Rookie 1

Good call! I'll wait to sticky til the season is over, don't want to jinx anything yet, but was thinking of this. I'd like to see if they could go for Mo Williams as backup PG as well, or maybe one of Vince Carter/Rodney Stuckey as a SG off the bench.

100% Yes!! I've been trying to find out if Mo has declined his player option..or when he can...but rumored a few weeks ago he was going to decline for a few year deal.

1 of Meeks, Miller, or Mo (or 2) should be available and the Thunder has minutes and money to use. Thunder can do all that signing without even touching there MLE most likely too.

[bondom34]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24533195/nba-cap-projected-to-increase-more-than-anticipated

with a 77 million lux tax.


FA aquisitions...

Meeks
Miller (I'm disgusted too)
Pleiss (not FA..but none the less..)

Starting unit of:
Russ, Reg, KD, Ibaka, Adams
Bench unit of:
Meeks, Lamb, Miller and PJ, Collison, Perk, Pleiss depending on situations.

Roberson, Jerrett, Rookie 1

Good call! I'll wait to sticky til the season is over, don't want to jinx anything yet, but was thinking of this. I'd like to see if they could go for Mo Williams as backup PG as well, or maybe one of Vince Carter/Rodney Stuckey as a SG off the bench.

100% Yes!! I've been trying to find out if Mo has declined his player option..or when he can...but rumored a few weeks ago he was going to decline for a few year deal.

1 of Meeks, Miller, or Mo (or 2) should be available and the Thunder has minutes and money to use. Thunder can do all that signing without even touching there MLE most likely too.

Yeah, haven't heard for sure on Mo, but pretty sure he was going to decline at leasat. That's what the Blazers board was saying I think too.

[Bugaloo]

Just a reminder after hearing local OKC sports radio blaspheming about reality.

Talking about amnestying Perk. They said, summarizing here, of course you amnesty Perk. Then you go out and sign Luol Deng to 9-10 million and fill out your roster.

PROBLEM....there is no way the Thunder can do that. Even if Perk was amnestied (why the heck do it now if you haven't the last few years??) it would take the team salary to 59ish million....4/5 million under the salary cap. You can't sign outside free agents to an amount sending you over the salary cap (outside of the TPE, MLE, Vet Min, etc.). 4/5 mill aint gonna get you Luol Deng who made 14 mill this season.

6.5 mill. That's the number of the HIGHEST possible contract the Thunder can sign a player to (Martin TPE).

So outside of a trade....9/10 million dollar contracts aren't happening.

Yes, thank you. The local radio guys are just as clueless as the general public with respect to understanding the NBA salary cap, including confusing the salary cap with the luxury tax threshold.

The time to amnesty Perk was a year or two ago--either to minimize the luxury tax bill in keeping an extended Harden, or to use the MLE without dipping into the luxury tax. With the projected cap ($63.2 mil) and tax figures ($77 mil), there are very few scenarios in which it makes sense to amnesty Perk this summer. As you already explained, a Perk amnesty doesn't create significant cap space (once you add in the salaries of the two first rounders, a Perk amnesty gets OKC less than $2 mil under the cap). Meanwhile, OKC will be about $6 mil under the projected luxury tax threshold with Perk; thus, even with Perk they will be able to avoid the tax unless they elect to use some combination of the MLE, TPE, and other exceptions in excess of about $6 mil, which seems unlikely given OKC's historic lack of activity in free agency. That's the only scenario in which it really makes sense to amnesty Perk this summer.

With OKC being right in the middle of that territory between the cap and the tax--such that a Perk amnesty doesn't change things in either direction--OKC is probably best off keeping Perk's expiring for roster flexibility instead of using the amnesty provision. I don't anticipate any huge trades (including sign-and-trades), but Perk's expiring is almost a necessity for facilitating any potential trades involving players with significant salaries (the Martin TPE could be used to take back $6.5 mil in salary, but it also expires on July 11). Outside of KD/Russ/Ibaka and Perk's expiring, you can't cobble together enough salary to trade for an $8 mil per year player unless you aggregate Collison with several young players. Again, it's unlikely that OKC elects to pursue a high-dollar player even via trade, but Perk's expiring at least helps facilitate such a possibility. For example, if OKC wanted Deng (yes, I know it's not happening, but I'll use him as an example since he was already mentioned)--a player who will earn substantially more than the MLE or the Martin TPE--it could theoretically happen via a sign-and-trade involving Perk's expiring and some combination of picks and young players (the latter being the sweetener for Cleveland taking on Perk's expiring).

My guess is that OKC keeps Perk for next season, then re-signs him (at a substantially lower salary, of course) due to his limited utility in certain match-ups and his locker room presence.

Long story short: Perk amnesty doesn't create significant cap space, and keeping him next season likely doesn't push OKC into tax territory, but his expiring contract might be useful as a trade facilitator. That, and he's occasionally useful as a post defender.

[Podirk]

Well written Bugaloo...well written!

[orlandomanic]

Any Thunder fans want to post for OKC on the Mock draft. Just click on the link below and select your player....


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1324196

[orlandomanic]

1. Cleveland - Joel Embiid
2. Milwaukee - Andrew Wiggins
3. Philadelphia - Jabari Parker
4. Orlando - Dante Exum
5. Utah - Julius Randle
6. Boston - Noah Vonleh
7. LA Lakers - Aaron Gordon
8. Sacramento - Marcus Smart
9. Charlotte - Nik Stauskas
10. Philadelphia - Gary Harris
11. Denver - Zach Lavine
12. Orlando- Doug McDermott
13. Minnesota - Walter Tavares
14. Phoenix - Dario Saric
15. Atlanta - Kyle Anderson
16. Chicago - James Young
17. Boston - PJ Hairston
18. Phoenix - Adreian Payne
19. Chicago - Jusuf Nurkic
20. Toronto - Clint Capela
21. Oklahoma City - Rodney Hood
22. Memphis - Shabazz Napier
23. Utah - Glenn Robinson
24. Charlotte - TJ Warren
25. Houston - Tyler Ennis
26. Miami - Mitch Mcgary
27. Phoenix - Elfrid Payton
28. LA Clippers - Jarnell Stokes
29. Oklahoma City -
30. San Antonio -

Any Thunder fans want to post for OKC on the Mock draft. Just click on the link below and select your player....


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1324196

[Podirk]

Reportedly Anthony Morrow opted out of his 1.X mill player option for next year. Believe he was at a 40% 3 pt clip. At this point in his career we know what he brings and doesn't.

Add him to my list , now it's Miller, Meeks, Mo, Miles, and Morrow who I would like to see the Thunder chase down this offseason. 2 of any of these could easily be had for the TPE. Morrow or Miles to start at SG would be nice. Reggie on the bench with Lamb and bring in Miller. Hope FAs see the Thunder are really a piece or two away from being insanely scary to match up with.

[bondom34]

Reportedly Anthony Morrow opted out of his 1.X mill player option for next year. Believe he was at a 40% 3 pt clip. At this point in his career we know what he brings and doesn't.

Add him to my list , now it's Miller, Meeks, Mo, Miles, and Morrow who I would like to see the Thunder chase down this offseason. 2 of any of these could easily be had for the TPE. Morrow or Miles to start at SG would be nice. Reggie on the bench with Lamb and bring in Miller. Hope FAs see the Thunder are really a piece or two away from being insanely scary to match up with.

Anyone else with a name starting with M? Solid list for the guards, I'd be happy with any of them honestly.

To add an "M"....I asked the Bulls boards, and they said if they were looking at Melo, they'd go w/ Mike Dunleavy Jr. for the 29th pick in a trade, and he fits in the Martin TPE. He could be a solid 3 and D guard for a year and if the price is a late pick who may not play at all next year anyway, it could be a decent move. Plus I don't think they need 2 rooks and could use more vets, next year is the year they make a push at a title I think.

[Podirk]

Reportedly Anthony Morrow opted out of his 1.X mill player option for next year. Believe he was at a 40% 3 pt clip. At this point in his career we know what he brings and doesn't.

Add him to my list , now it's Miller, Meeks, Mo, Miles, and Morrow who I would like to see the Thunder chase down this offseason. 2 of any of these could easily be had for the TPE. Morrow or Miles to start at SG would be nice. Reggie on the bench with Lamb and bring in Miller. Hope FAs see the Thunder are really a piece or two away from being insanely scary to match up with.

Anyone else with a name starting with M? Solid list for the guards, I'd be happy with any of them honestly.

To add an "M"....I asked the Bulls boards, and they said if they were looking at Melo, they'd go w/ Mike Dunleavy Jr. for the 29th pick in a trade, and he fits in the Martin TPE. He could be a solid 3 and D guard for a year and if the price is a late pick who may not play at all next year anyway, it could be a decent move. Plus I don't think they need 2 rooks and could use more vets, next year is the year they make a push at a title I think.

I would absolutely do that. I know the price for 1st rnd picks is getting steeper with the new CBA, but like you said, Thunder don't need 2.

I believe Dunleavy is on contract for 1 year at 3 million dollars. Even if he doesn't resign, he is a good option. Mike might not be my first M but he would be a great pickup.

[bondom34]

Reportedly Anthony Morrow opted out of his 1.X mill player option for next year. Believe he was at a 40% 3 pt clip. At this point in his career we know what he brings and doesn't.

Add him to my list , now it's Miller, Meeks, Mo, Miles, and Morrow who I would like to see the Thunder chase down this offseason. 2 of any of these could easily be had for the TPE. Morrow or Miles to start at SG would be nice. Reggie on the bench with Lamb and bring in Miller. Hope FAs see the Thunder are really a piece or two away from being insanely scary to match up with.

Anyone else with a name starting with M? Solid list for the guards, I'd be happy with any of them honestly.

To add an "M"....I asked the Bulls boards, and they said if they were looking at Melo, they'd go w/ Mike Dunleavy Jr. for the 29th pick in a trade, and he fits in the Martin TPE. He could be a solid 3 and D guard for a year and if the price is a late pick who may not play at all next year anyway, it could be a decent move. Plus I don't think they need 2 rooks and could use more vets, next year is the year they make a push at a title I think.

I would absolutely do that. I know the price for 1st rnd picks is getting steeper with the new CBA, but like you said, Thunder don't need 2.

I believe Dunleavy is on contract for 1 year at 3 million dollars. Even if he doesn't resign, he is a good option. Mike might not be my first M but he would be a great pickup.

Agreed, posted this idea on thunderfans too to see if anyone had thoughts there!

[Nolan]

What do you guys think about adding Shawn Livingston? I think he'd be a fantastic fit, steady hand to create offense when things get stale and he'd allow Westbrook to play off the ball more which is probably a good idea.

[bondom34]

What do you guys think about adding Shawn Livingston? I think he'd be a fantastic fit, steady hand to create offense when things get stale and he'd allow Westbrook to play off the ball more which is probably a good idea.

I'd love him if he could be had for the MLE. As you saw tonight, anyone who could create offense is welcome!