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Post#21 » by Santoki » Sat May 24, 2014 1:52 pm

dballislife wrote:we're a ace or near ace away from being world series contenders


Is Cliff Lee still any good? Phillies are terrible and might consider dealing him again.


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Post#22 » by Skin Blues » Sat May 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Cliff Lee is on the DL with an elbow problem. Judging by how that's worked out for the other dozen or so pitchers since the start of the season, there's a decent chance he'll need surgery. If Lee is indeed out for the season, it might make them realize they aren't making the playoffs and try to dump Burnett (could be on his no-trade list though). Also, McCarthy could become available once the D'Backs realize they have no shot at the playoffs, either.
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Post#23 » by SharoneWright » Sat May 24, 2014 7:57 pm

We're expecting Morrow back in early July right?
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Post#24 » by MikeM » Sat May 24, 2014 8:01 pm

SharoneWright wrote:We're expecting Morrow back in early July right?


Trade for a SP, put Morrow in the pen.
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Post#25 » by Raider917 » Sat May 24, 2014 8:41 pm

SharoneWright wrote:We're expecting Morrow back in early July right?

but he will still be morrow. boom or bust

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Post#26 » by dballislife » Sat May 24, 2014 9:13 pm

Dont even mention morrow, man we all knew that he was the key this year...if he pitches to his potential hes that near ace we missing...he could still comeback and give us 10 starts and click in hopefully the postseason, but wut a joke this guy is

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Post#27 » by EventHorizon » Sat May 24, 2014 11:41 pm

Forget about guys like Morrow and Santos. Done with and moving on.
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Post#28 » by hyper316 » Sun May 25, 2014 2:08 am

Imagine if the FO ponyed-up when they had a chance to sign a Darvish or Tanaka... the Japanese media and broadcast revenue alone would make up their worth in salary. The fact that these Rogers businessmen can't figure that out boggles my mind. Before the signings seemed like a no-brainer to me (I would, but too lazy to dig up old realgm posts), and afterward is more apparent.

Now what's the situation? The team's offense is carrying the team to victory, but pitching is giving up a ton of runs. Being buyer now would jeopardize the farm. Those international FA signing would not touch the farm.
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Post#29 » by kavan » Wed May 28, 2014 10:00 am

Those signings would of paid for themselves along with few extra wins and the media attention and coverage would of been at a national even world wide level.

Morrow will be a hit or miss to have him back but maybe if one of Happ or Hendricks start blundering again they will be pulled out for him in place. I just hope we dont keep him in there for the sake of it I would not mind a slow return if both those guys are doing good.

We just showed that we can save our real ACE by scoring a bunch of runs for him.
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Post#30 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Wed May 28, 2014 1:53 pm

We need to stop whining about Darvish and Tanaka. It's the same song and dance every year. We didn't get them, let's move on.

Wondering whether the Jays will contemplate moving Rasmus for help, though I like the length it provides in our lineup, he's more a two outcome guy it seems.

Perhaps the Braves view Colby Rasmus as an upgrade over B.J. Upton.
Mayyyybe the Reds with their aging core make a play for him
Who knows what the hell the Mets are thinking
Seattle could always use a big bat
Minnesota as well, but don't really have many useful pieces
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Post#31 » by FrankGrimes » Wed May 28, 2014 2:44 pm

every team in baseball needs to give more credit to international players. chapman, darvish, Abreu...these guys are all under contract which looks like total bargains. the blue jays are pretty good evaluating talent on the international level but they need to grow a set of balls and know when to drop the millions to get that real top shelf talent.

if the jays are going to go for broke, they will find a pitcher and give up prospects for that pitcher. samardzija is WAY overvalued and the cubs should get a nice haul for him (orioles are the latest front runners) but keeping rasmus around could be the best thing the jays can do for the future.

1. rasmus will be rental so the price won't be high. this means the jays aren't getting a top rotation arm for him unless he's going with a top prospect.

2. rasmus leaving as a free agent should net the blue jays a comp pick. I'm not sure how the new cba works anymore but I'm assuming rasmus would qualify and teams will line up to secure his services. if the jays let go of a sanchez, then they can use the comp pick from rasmus to replenish the system with, yup...you guessed it, another arm.

3. the shiny toy in samardzija isn't worth the squeeze, imo. the jays need to look more creatively to fill up the back end of the rotation. posters have made some nice suggestions and Rosenthal or gammons (I think it was gammons) mentioned a few arms that make more sense. how much is hammel gonna cost vs samardzija?

right now, the jays are rolling. there isn't an urgency to make any trade at this point. once the playoffs start, teams move into a 3 man rotation anyway. I'm comfortable with dickey-buerhle-hutch while keeping ramus around. pitching wins championships but a platoon-heavy mlb leading mash unit could beg to differ.

you want a pitcher that will reach free agency at the same time as samardzija? mat latos. cincy is 22-28.

the jays don't need a high priced arm for hire. they need a stabilizer to the middle-back of the rotation and that won't happen until the calendar turns to july so there's lots of baseball to still be played.
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Post#32 » by Schad » Wed May 28, 2014 3:49 pm

FrankGrimes wrote:2. rasmus leaving as a free agent should net the blue jays a comp pick. I'm not sure how the new cba works anymore but I'm assuming rasmus would qualify and teams will line up to secure his services. if the jays let go of a sanchez, then they can use the comp pick from rasmus to replenish the system with, yup...you guessed it, another arm.


System no longer works that way. We'd have to offer Rasmus $14m-15m on a one-year deal to get a comp pick, and there's no chance he turns that down.
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Post#33 » by MikeM » Wed May 28, 2014 4:16 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:2. rasmus leaving as a free agent should net the blue jays a comp pick. I'm not sure how the new cba works anymore but I'm assuming rasmus would qualify and teams will line up to secure his services. if the jays let go of a sanchez, then they can use the comp pick from rasmus to replenish the system with, yup...you guessed it, another arm.


System no longer works that way. We'd have to offer Rasmus $14m-15m on a one-year deal to get a comp pick, and there's no chance he turns that down.


You don't think he could get 12M a year from someone in the open market. Not a lot of not-old hitting talent available this off-season.

Bourn got 4/48. I could see Rasmus getting around the same. Would he turn down 1/14 for that? Possible.
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Post#34 » by FrankGrimes » Wed May 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:2. rasmus leaving as a free agent should net the blue jays a comp pick. I'm not sure how the new cba works anymore but I'm assuming rasmus would qualify and teams will line up to secure his services. if the jays let go of a sanchez, then they can use the comp pick from rasmus to replenish the system with, yup...you guessed it, another arm.


System no longer works that way. We'd have to offer Rasmus $14m-15m on a one-year deal to get a comp pick, and there's no chance he turns that down.


thanks for that, schad.

i do think that there is a possibility that rasmus does turn that down to look for a long term contract. look at Ervin, drew, morales etc. they all turned down the one year looking for more. now, they didn't get those deals and drew even took less (pro-rated) but rasmus should be able to find a multi-year offer based on his skill set and position premium.

kind of stupid how the qualifying offer is set so high (top 125 salary avg?). rasmus makes 7 million this year. he effectively doubles his salary in 2015 just by accepting a qualifying offer. even Charlie sheen can't win that much.

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