2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[OleSchool]

The cops may be called to my house on draft night if we take Exum over Parker... I may hurt somebody

Exum will be a superstar and top 5 player in 3 or 4 years.

MAYBE as a PG, call me crazy, but Im not taking a SG who can not shoot, over a potential 25 PPG player in Parker.

I really think you're overvaluing Parker (or any player in this draft) if you think they can avg. over 25ppg. This year only 5 players did that, and 1 (harden) was at 25.4

[mksp]

Michael (Milwaukee)

What puts Exum in the conversation with the other 3? Sounds like he's not a true PG and we've seen much less of him than the others. Is his upside really that high?
Chad Ford (1:27 PM)

Read the piece that Kevin Pelton and I wrote today about him. Kevin developed an analytical tool that uses data from the Under 19s in Prague to help evaluate him. Since several other top PGs also played in the event (Marcus Smart and Tyler Ennis) he was able to compare the three. Based off that tool, Exum projected as the second best player in the draft. The scouting also supports everything that the numbers are saying about Exum right. When those two align, (albeit with limited data for both) it's easier to get a little more comfortable. I think he's worthy of being in the conversation with the other 3 and most of the GMs who have scouted him agree.

Nelson (Orlando)

What in your opinion separates Exum from Smart if you are Orlando picking at 4?
Chad Ford (1:29 PM)

Both have elite size and length for their position. Exum is quicker and better at getting to the basket. Smart is much stronger and physically ready. Smart is a better defender, but both are tough. Exum is probably more of a natural point guard than Smart -- but both are really combo guards at heart. Smart's proven leadership is a plus. Exum is younger and many feel has a higher upside. Neither is a great shooter yet. I think there's a legit argument for both. And by the way, Pelton's WARP has them ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the draft.

But hey its cool, all you guys are right, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DANTE EXUM, DRAFT PARKER CUZ POINTSZZ.

[joefrizzle]

Exum will be a superstar and top 5 player in 3 or 4 years.

MAYBE as a PG, call me crazy, but Im not taking a SG who can not shoot, over a potential 25 PPG player in Parker.

I really think you're overvaluing Parker (or any player in this draft) if you think they can avg. over 25ppg. This year only 5 players did that, and 1 (harden) was at 25.4

I said potentially he can be. I think he'll be something like a 22-23PPG/7RPG guy. I don't see Exum matching that production playing 2 guard.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I think if we can't get Embiid , Wiggins you have to got Parker. He fits in with our team seamlessly we have a Floor general in MCW and a potential defensive anchor in Noel.

Parker is a flat out scorer with great size and character. We need to not over think this draft and choose the best player availiable with the best chance to be successful.

I'm not sold on Exum he was faster than ever one else in Australia but the won't be the case in the NBA. He may not even be as good as MCW. MCW has a natural feel for the game and plays better under control than Exum may ever will. Exum is like Tony Wroten who we have already as 6th man. Exum has a lot of holes in his game and his IQ is overrated . We don't need Exum! This team needs a talented wing and a beefy front court mate for Noel. I'm would take who's avialiable between Embiid/ Wiggins or Parker. Dangle Thad and 10 to move up for vonleh.


Noel/ Sims/ Varnado
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------ / Thompson
3 and D/ Anderson
MCW/ Wroten

[OleSchool]

MAYBE as a PG, call me crazy, but Im not taking a SG who can not shoot, over a potential 25 PPG player in Parker.

I really think you're overvaluing Parker (or any player in this draft) if you think they can avg. over 25ppg. This year only 5 players did that, and 1 (harden) was at 25.4

I said potentially he can be. I think he'll be something like a 22-23PPG/7RPG guy. I don't see Exum matching that production playing 2 guard.

I still think those are lofty expectations

[51X3RF4N]

I'm fine with expecting 20-25ppg from Parker on the reg. Especially on a team with no true go-to offensively. He can do it all on offense. He can score from anywhere on the floor, and in a variety of ways. I think he'll average close to 10 FT attempts per game the way he takes it to the hole. And if he even hits 70% of those, along with 1-2 3pt shots, he only need 5 buckets close to the basket or mid-range jumpers in order to be at 20 ppg.

I think if you allow him to focus on offense and run an offense through him, and let MCW split the defenders and kick it out to Parker, while Noel and MCW focus on playing team defense, it could work.

Parker is the kind of kid who IMO doesn't need to "get hot". He just shows up and gets buckets. Give him the go-ahead to score at will, and I think he could easily put up league-leading offensive numbers with his range and versatility offensively.



I question whether a team actually needs that kind of scoring from 1 guy in order to succeed at the highest level though. You need at least 2-3 capable scorers who can go for 20+ points any given night.

[joefrizzle]

I really think you're overvaluing Parker (or any player in this draft) if you think they can avg. over 25ppg. This year only 5 players did that, and 1 (harden) was at 25.4

I said potentially he can be. I think he'll be something like a 22-23PPG/7RPG guy. I don't see Exum matching that production playing 2 guard.

I still think those are lofty expectations

Really? What are your projections for both? Just curious.

[Mik317]

People underestimate how hard it is to average 20 points a game efficiently....especially as a rookie.

[OleSchool]

I said potentially he can be. I think he'll be something like a 22-23PPG/7RPG guy. I don't see Exum matching that production playing 2 guard.

I still think those are lofty expectations

Really? What are your projections for both? Just curious.

Im looking at 17ppg for Parker and about the same for Wiggins, although if they were closer to 14 it wouldn't surprise me

[Agnostifarian]

I'm fine with expecting 20-25ppg from Parker on the reg. Especially on a team with no true go-to offensively. He can do it all on offense. He can score from anywhere on the floor, and in a variety of ways. I think he'll average close to 10 FT attempts per game the way he takes it to the hole. And if he even hits 70% of those, along with 1-2 3pt shots, he only need 5 buckets close to the basket or mid-range jumpers in order to be at 20 ppg.

I think if you allow him to focus on offense and run an offense through him, and let MCW split the defenders and kick it out to Parker, while Noel and MCW focus on playing team defense, it could work.

Parker is the kind of kid who IMO doesn't need to "get hot". He just shows up and gets buckets. Give him the go-ahead to score at will, and I think he could easily put up league-leading offensive numbers with his range and versatility offensively.



I question whether a team actually needs that kind of scoring from 1 guy in order to succeed at the highest level though. You need at least 2-3 capable scorers who can go for 20+ points any given night.

I'd love to have 2 - 3 scorers capable of scoring 20+ points on any given night but I'm willing to start with just one, PLEASE! Parker won't play in a meaningful game until he can legally drink, at the earliest! Let's let him try for 40 points every night and when he hits it, FREE CHEESEBURGERS for everyone! We've got a couple years to find a few more 20+ point scorers.

[Negrodamus]

My top four is as follows (and I don't expect it to change by the draft):

1. Embiid
2. Exum
3. Parker
4. Wiggins

Exum and Parker are a close 2. Exum is just too fast and too good with his handles. He desperately needs to work on his defense, and his jump shot appears to be fixable.

I do like all four prospects a lot and wouldn't mind us drafting any of them.

[51X3RF4N]

701.5 hours until the draft!!

[joefrizzle]

I still think those are lofty expectations

Really? What are your projections for both? Just curious.

Im looking at 17ppg for Parker and about the same for Wiggins, although if they were closer to 14 it wouldn't surprise me

Wow! If you are correct, then this may be a worse draft class than last years.

[Mik317]

again you are overestimating how hard it is to score 20 a night as a rookie.

EVERY rookie goes through a stretch where he jacks up his PPG with a week or so of sub 10 point games.

Derrick Rose only scored about 16 his rookie year IIRC. Hell LeBron is challenging to be the GOAT and he barely hit 20 his rookie year.

Bad team or not, it just isn;t an easy task. 17 a game as a rookie is damn good and if anyone hits that then that team is in good hands.

This is what I feared would happen. People expect rookies to play like Superstars from jump and then are quick to call them busts when they don't average 25 10 and 10 right away. Your expectations are seriously out of Whack if you think ANY rookie could EASILY average 20 plus a game.

[Agnostifarian]

again you are overestimating how hard it is to score 20 a night as a rookie.

EVERY rookie goes through a stretch where he jacks up his PPG with a week or so of sub 10 point games.

Derrick Rose only scored about 16 his rookie year IIRC. Hell LeBron is challenging to be the GOAT and he barely hit 20 his rookie year.

Bad team or not, it just isn;t an easy task. 17 a game as a rookie is damn good and if anyone hits that then that team is in good hands.

This is what I feared would happen. People expect rookies to play like Superstars from jump and then are quick to call them busts when they don't average 25 10 and 10 right away. Your expectations are seriously out of Whack if you think ANY rookie could EASILY average 20 plus a game.

Are we talking about rookies joining established NBA rosters or the 76ers roster?

[Mik317]

touche.

But even on our roster where they more than likely will get quadrripple teamed as teams would rather have Elliot Williams beat them.

Durant scored 20 point his rookie season on 43% shooting and 28% from 3. No one is this draft will even be that good this season. That doesn't mean they suck or that this draft is ass but it is just tough to do when you are already having a bitch of a time trying to adjust to the speed of the game and more than likely being harassed because you are the only good player on your team..at 19 years old.

It just isn't an easy task

[joefrizzle]

again you are overestimating how hard it is to score 20 a night as a rookie.

EVERY rookie goes through a stretch where he jacks up his PPG with a week or so of sub 10 point games.

Derrick Rose only scored about 16 his rookie year IIRC. Hell LeBron is challenging to be the GOAT and he barely hit 20 his rookie year.

Bad team or not, it just isn;t an easy task. 17 a game as a rookie is damn good and if anyone hits that then that team is in good hands.

This is what I feared would happen. People expect rookies to play like Superstars from jump and then are quick to call them busts when they don't average 25 10 and 10 right away. Your expectations are seriously out of Whack if you think ANY rookie could EASILY average 20 plus a game.

I don't think he was talking about rookie year(I know I wasn't). We were talking career or prime years(atleast I was anyway). No way I think Parker scores 22-24 a game in his rookie year, I think that's the type of numbers he will eventually put up once he closes in on entering his prime.

[FreesFro]

It depends on where these guys go as far as how many points they average their rookie season. MCW averaged 17 on 41% shooting last year after averaging 12 at Syracuse. I understand he had the ball in his hands a lot and that helps. Nobody thought he'd average that many points.

If Jabari is a 76er next year he'll average close to 20ppg. He's going to get his shots. Does that mean he's better than Embiid when he averages 11 with Cleveland or Wiggins who averages 15 with the Bucks? Not really.

The way we push the ball and try to get as many possessions as possible I could see Wiggins scoring in the high teens next year as well. No doubt in my mind.

[LongLiveHinkie]

DOn't think they would pass on Parker or Embiid for Exum. Highly doubt it.

[Kobblehead]

Who cares about points per game? I just want a guy that can shoot a solid percentage from some key spots on the floor and be able to go and get a bucket when we need one the most.