Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[Marty McFly]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings-willing-to-trade-for-kevin-love-without-assurance-he-ll-re-sign-015519118.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Rt after I posted this is what I saw. Makes sense

Is the #8 pick and Ben McLemore enough to land Kevin Love?

lol. it shouldn't be.

[dakomish23]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings-willing-to-trade-for-kevin-love-without-assurance-he-ll-re-sign-015519118.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Rt after I posted this is what I saw. Makes sense

Is the #8 pick and Ben McLemore enough to land Kevin Love?

Add Isaiah Thomas another pick or maybe even Rudy Gay? No one said any trade would be completely even.

[CoolKids]

Messing around with trade checker

Chicago Gets

Melo
Kevin Martin
Jason Thompson

New York Gets

Jimmy Butler
Taj Gibson
Jason Terry
Derrick Williams
19th Pick
2016 Bulls First
2016 acramento first

Sacramento Gets

Kevin Love
Mike Dunleavy
Raymond Felton
Corey Brewer

Minnesota Gets

Carlos Boozer
Tony Snell
Travis Outlaw expiring
Ben Mclemore
8th Pick
16th Pick


http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6453976

Chicago

Rose
Martin
Melo
Thompson
Noah



Sacramento

Thomas
Brewer
Gay
Love
Cousins

Minnesota

Rubio
Mclemore
Mcdermott
Booze
Pekovic

New York

FA/Prigs
Shumpert/Hardaway
Butler/JR
Gibson/Amare
Chandler/Gibson

We basically swap williams and Feltons contract. Would immediately look to move him. I really think this team would compete in the east and make the playoffs. However if a straight up tank is in the works package gibson and williams or gibson and JR for an expiring and you still have plenty of cap space

[Grover]

It appears to have been well thought out with one or two questions. I'm not certain if the notoriously cheap Bulls organization gives up the inexpensive assets and picks while locking in to the aging Martin and meh Thompson with Rose a question mark and little salary room for depth. The FO of the Kings is off his nut if he believes that Cousins and Love will stop any team with bigs. I would have to believe Cousins would be moved as either part of the deal or immediately afterward for defensive cover. Minny getting immediate picks, another underachieving recent pick and expiring filler fits historically. You are correct about Williams to the Knicks and not including Terry as part of any rotation. I did not do the math but assuming Bargnani is still on the roster, is the new Knick salary below the salary apron to allow the deal to work? Great post.

[mpharris36]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

[BKAY]

MCW supposedly available because sixers are "in love with Exum". Thoughts?

[Meat]

MCW supposedly available because sixers are "in love with Exum". Thoughts?

a dream to a team with no assets, for sure i'd take him over rondo or kyrie though

[Juggynaut]

MCW supposedly available because sixers are "in love with Exum". Thoughts?

Wow really? MCW is gonna be an allstar at least once, they really gonna gamble that?

[Marty McFly]

MCW supposedly available because sixers are "in love with Exum". Thoughts?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


he's in embiid and wiggins' class so it's not surprising, but............

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i was hoping he fell to the celtics and an s&t could be worked out between the knicks and celts.

[Marty McFly]

MCW supposedly available because sixers are "in love with Exum". Thoughts?

Wow really? MCW is gonna be an allstar at least once, they really gonna gamble that?

exum can be even better than mcw.

[melo mvp 15]

I actually wouldn't be that mad if I was a Philly fan and my team decided to go with Exum over MCW, just because Exum COULD be better. Then again, MCW has already proven to be really good. Whereas Exum hasn't proven anything. It'd be a really risky move. Obviously the smart thing to do would be to keep MCW and basically play a 2 PG line up, then if Exum looks good- trade MCW. I mean think about it this way, if you trade MCW to go with Exum... and Exum is a bust- not only have you given a really nice PG on a rookie deal (that will most likely be an all star), but you don't have his replacement. Sure they'd have the asset that they got for him... but I doubt it'd be worth it.

And we have don't have enough to get MCW. It'd probably take a top 5 or an all star type player on a worse (non-rookie) contract. If he truly is available and Philly isn't wise enough to wait, then maybe they should talk to the Lakers about their lottery pick. I feel like MCW would be a top 5 this year- when you factor in that he's proven a lot already, so LA would have to throw in more.

[R-DAWG]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

Any Melo trade would happen after the draft, therefore, a deal involving 4 2014 #1's is unrealistic. However, the basis for a trade is there - Asik, Parsons and HOU's 2015 1st rd pick is a fair return for Melo but we would need their 2017 1st for eating Lin's deal. Parson's can be flipped to a team for either picks or rookie scale players. Example - Parsons to PHX for the Lakers 2015 pick (top 5 protected) and the rights to one of their 2014 draft picks.

Asik can also be traded to a playoff team for a 2015 or 2016 1st rd pick. 2016 might be more valuable since a 2015 first comes with a cap hold.

This takes the return on Melo in a trade to 5 first rd picks (rights to PHX 2014 1st, 2015 LAL 1st, 2016 pick (vis Asik trade), 2015 HOU, 2016 HOU).

Move Chandler in a separate trade for picks

Were in a great spot with Melo. We either get him for our price or help him get to where he wants to go in exchange for assets. We have some leverage here just keep Dolan on tour with the eagles.

But doesn't the report say that Parsons wont be included in a deal?

[Damas]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

Theres no way the Rockets give that much for Melo. You can get Lin, Asik and a first but not Parsons. Too much value for that team and a rising young player in the league.

Also why would the Suns give us those many picks for Parsons and Chantler? The Suns play high up tempo basketball and Chantler doesn't fit that at all. Not to mention, he has been putrid this year in all aspects of his game AND a cancer.

Too optimistic and not very realistic. This is the Knicks were talking here.

[isiah_thomas]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

Theres no way the Rockets give that much for Melo. You can get Lin, Asik and a first but not Parsons. Too much value for that team and a rising young player in the league.

Also why would the Suns give us those many picks for Parsons and Chantler? The Suns play high up tempo basketball and Chantler doesn't fit that at all. Not to mention, he has been putrid this year in all aspects of his game AND a cancer.

Too optimistic and not very realistic. This is the Knicks were talking here.

Rockets have no leverage right now, if they really. Want melo and can't clear the space to/sign the Knicks don't have to take there low ball ofer

[Damas]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

Theres no way the Rockets give that much for Melo. You can get Lin, Asik and a first but not Parsons. Too much value for that team and a rising young player in the league.

Also why would the Suns give us those many picks for Parsons and Chantler? The Suns play high up tempo basketball and Chantler doesn't fit that at all. Not to mention, he has been putrid this year in all aspects of his game AND a cancer.

Too optimistic and not very realistic. This is the Knicks were talking here.

Rockets have no leverage right now, if they really. Want melo and can't clear the space to/sign the Knicks don't have to take there low ball ofer

But they don't have to gut up their entire roster for Melo. No way the Rockets give up that much.

Chicago is probably is his destination.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I actually wouldn't be that mad if I was a Philly fan and my team decided to go with Exum over MCW, just because Exum COULD be better. Then again, MCW has already proven to be really good. Whereas Exum hasn't proven anything. It'd be a really risky move. Obviously the smart thing to do would be to keep MCW and basically play a 2 PG line up, then if Exum looks good- trade MCW. I mean think about it this way, if you trade MCW to go with Exum... and Exum is a bust- not only have you given a really nice PG on a rookie deal (that will most likely be an all star), but you don't have his replacement. Sure they'd have the asset that they got for him... but I doubt it'd be worth it.

And we have don't have enough to get MCW. It'd probably take a top 5 or an all star type player on a worse (non-rookie) contract. If he truly is available and Philly isn't wise enough to wait, then maybe they should talk to the Lakers about their lottery pick. I feel like MCW would be a top 5 this year- when you factor in that he's proven a lot already, so LA would have to throw in more.

I'd disagree on trading MCW if Exum looks good. Both are 6'6'', if both live up to their talent, 76ers could be giving up a tall two PG all-star level back court. I'd e pissed if I was a Philly fan.

[melo mvp 15]

J. Jerebko for JR. The alliteration is enough to say yes.
I don't think we need to look to dump JR for anything, but I like this because not only does it completely wipe off JR's 2015 cap # but we get a potential role player back.

Detroit needs shooters and I think JR is perfect Van Gundy. The only reason I could see them not wanting to do it is because JR would take minutes from KCP- but if they're going for the playoffs (like the Van Gundy move and the roster suggest) JR helps more than Jerebko and gives them better SG minutes than KCP.

[melo mvp 15]

I think a team like Memphis or Charlotte will end up trading for Felton using scraps if his legal drama gets cleaned up. Felton may have sucked this year, but I have no doubt that he'd still a good back up PG and any a team would be smart to buy low on him.

[mpharris36]

With the recent Rocket rumor...

I would actually like to flip Parsons if we acquire him for more assets (picks). Parsons is going to require a larger payday and if we lose melo and truly retooling it wouldnt make sense not to lock him in big money.

So say the deal to the rockets is Lin, Asik, Parsons, and there 2014 1st rounder for Melo and Felton

I would then ship Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parson to Phoenix for all there 3 first rounders and a huge TPE.

That would leave phoenix with a really talented starting squad.

That would leave us with only 4 1st round picks in the 2014 draft.

Trade JR smith for a expiring deadweight contract

Sign both Aldrich and Murry to two year deals (second year unguaranteed)

Then we can tank for a top 2015 pick. Trade Asik at the deadline for a future pick/assets. Trade Lin if someone wants him for a future pick at the deadline.

That would leave us with the following roster heading into the 2015-16 season.

Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr
Pablo Prigioni
phoenix 1st round pick #14
phoenix 1st round pick #18
phoenix 1st round pick #27
rockets 1st round pick #25
Our lottery (hopefully top 5 pick)
+(plus a huge TPE from phoenix)
+plus whatever you can get from Asik and Lin at the deadline

With a 2015-16 projected cap at around 66.5 million

That would leave us close to 50 million in cap space to sign FA's.

We could be totally rebuilt in 1 year if we have to lose Anthony in a S&T

Theres no way the Rockets give that much for Melo. You can get Lin, Asik and a first but not Parsons. Too much value for that team and a rising young player in the league.

Also why would the Suns give us those many picks for Parsons and Chantler? The Suns play high up tempo basketball and Chantler doesn't fit that at all. Not to mention, he has been putrid this year in all aspects of his game AND a cancer.

Too optimistic and not very realistic. This is the Knicks were talking here.

I'm not sure what you are talking about as nothing what you said makes sense.

"You can get Lin, Asik, and a 1st for Melo" - That is what the Rockets just offered the knicks (supposedly). So the Kincks are going to counter and then the teams might meet somewhere in the middle. So you are wrong to think Asik, Lin, and there late 1st is worth Melo..,

Also "why would the suns give there 3 picks for Tyson chandler and parsons" - why wouldn't they give 3 middle/late round draft picks for Tyson and parsons? You just go on by saying the rockets are giving up too much value but then go on to say that the suns wouldn't do that because there 3 middle to late 1st round picks aren't worth 2 NBA starters which is ridiculous. The suns would do that deal in a second and would be stupid not to. Both those guys fit there system too. Tyson Chandler is made for an up and down P&R style system and Parsons thrives in transition as well.

Suns starting lineup would be
Dragic
Bledsoe
Parsons
Frye
Chandler

That is a really really strong starting 5.

[R-DAWG]

New Houston Proposal:

Asik
Lin
Terrence Jones
Rights to 2014 1st rd Pick
1st rd Picks in 2015 and 2017

for

Melo
Pablo

Asik flipped for a future 1st rd pick

Knicks end up with 2 rookie scale players (Jones, 2014 1st) and 3 future 1's

If Melo won't take less i would be happy with that return. Trade Chandler and go into the tank next year.