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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1721 » by JayMKE » Wed May 28, 2014 8:10 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Exum was pretty dang good in the Nike hoops summit in 2013. He didn't look over matched at all.

I don't know enough about him to say if he's better than wiggins or Parker but I think it's silly to totally disregard him because he didn't play against college competition.

Oh yeah none of these guys have character issues so I'm not sure why parker being a "good kid" matters at all.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1722 » by sidney lanier » Wed May 28, 2014 8:29 pm

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Nowak008 wrote:Kitchen sink offer. 3 way deal.



We are giving up way too much there, but that said, it all depends on what Utah wants for that pick. I do agree that I'd have Knight, Henson, Sanders, Ersan, Middleton and the 2015 pick all in the mix. You have to give to get. I'd like to think Henson, Knight and 2015 top 3 protected would work for Utah. Then you draft Wiggins and Smart.

I'd hesitate slightly on offering Middleton and Ersan if we draft Embiid at #2, because I'd like those two guys to be our outside shooters in the Embiid and 4 shooters scenario.


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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1723 » by theFireBlanket » Wed May 28, 2014 8:29 pm

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1724 » by El Duderino » Wed May 28, 2014 8:38 pm

JayMKE wrote:It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.


So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1725 » by mattg » Wed May 28, 2014 8:46 pm

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JayMKE wrote:It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.


So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?

It's not even worth arguing, dude just hates exum because he's not American. Exum has been on the radar as a potential top 5 pick in this strong draft since 2012.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1726 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 28, 2014 8:46 pm

It's not like the level of play in the NCAA is all that great. The vast majority of these guys will be making their living in something other than hoops. By your logic maybe saric should be the top pick, he's been playing well against men in Europe for the past few yrs. Or maybe pj Hairston who played well against d leaguers and the d league has better more physically mature players than the NCAA.

I honestly think that college basketball is such a piss poor product it's hard to watch.

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1727 » by El Duderino » Wed May 28, 2014 9:02 pm

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JayMKE wrote:It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.


So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?

It's not even worth arguing, dude just hates exum because he's not American. Exum has been on the radar as a potential top 5 pick in this strong draft since 2012.


I don't think he hates Exum for being a foreign player. Instead, he's irrationally stuck on the kid having not played a year of college ball and on that alone disqualifying Exum as being worthy of being picked over Parker or Wiggins. That same type foolish rigid thinking allowed guys like Dirk, Garnett, Kobe, etc to get bypassed by to many teams.

Scouts and GM's get paid well to evaluate players regardless of the competition they've faced. The good ones can more often evaluate well which prospects will translate to the NBA whether they've played mostly again poor competition, in college at a mid-major, in college in a major conference, or foreign players who could be facing all different levels of competition. Only a weak willed and low skilled scout/GM would flat out disqualify a certain high level talent for any pick based on who that player mostly played against.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1728 » by Badgerlander » Wed May 28, 2014 9:07 pm

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1729 » by Badgerlander » Wed May 28, 2014 9:08 pm

sidney lanier wrote:There are those who believe that the #5 pick in this draft could net us a perennial all-star.


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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1730 » by DanoMac » Wed May 28, 2014 9:11 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Gordon's workout and interview with DX

Very impressive.


Nice. I've been on the Gordon wagon for a while. If the Bucks had an opportunity to trade for a pick between 6-10 and Gordon was still on the board (assuming Vonleh was gone), he'd be my guy.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1731 » by Wooderson » Wed May 28, 2014 9:11 pm

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I don't think he hates Exum for being a foreign player. Instead, he's irrationally stuck on the kid having not played a year of college ball and on that alone disqualifying Exum as being worthy of being picked over Parker or Wiggins. That same type foolish rigid thinking allowed guys like Dirk, Garnett, Kobe, etc to get bypassed by to many teams.


There's could certainly be an aussie aspect to it.

JayMKE wrote:i'll be happy as long as the pick isn't exum, he was be a disaster, how can people say they want to hit a home run and they pick exum? he's more popular on this board than anywhere else, i wonder why?


And then later he thinks everyone else is crazy for having Exum over Smart (ignoring that general consensus around the league is that Exum is a superior prospect).
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1732 » by ReasonablySober » Wed May 28, 2014 9:12 pm

DanoMac wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Gordon's workout and interview with DX

Very impressive.


Nice. I've been on the Gordon wagon for a while. If the Bucks had an opportunity to trade for a pick between 6-10 and Gordon was still on the board (assuming Vonleh was gone), he'd be my guy.


I think I agree.
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Post#1733 » by Baddy Chuck » Wed May 28, 2014 9:23 pm

Honestly, I still don't see it with Gordon.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1734 » by JayMKE » Wed May 28, 2014 9:30 pm

El Duderino wrote:
JayMKE wrote:It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.


So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?


Last years draft sucked, the upside outweighed the risk. The upside of Exum doesn't outweigh the risk because I believe Embiid/Parker/Wiggins have upsides just as high or higher with resumes to back it up. If we were picking 15 this year like last year I wouldnt have a problem taking a chance on Exum.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1735 » by buckboy » Wed May 28, 2014 9:37 pm

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Wise1 wrote:I still think Embiid and Parker are 1/2 on the Bucks draft board. Wouldn't be surprised if Smart/Exum were 3/4.

After hearing about Parker's competitiveness and execution during his workout, I'm moving him to #1 on my board with Embiid dropping to 2.

1. Parker
2. Embiid
3. Smart
4. Wiggins
5. Exum
6. Randle

My top 3 are based on the best combination of measurables and intangibles (leadership)


There is no way in hell Wiggins is 5 on Hammonds board.


Just as there is no way in Hell Smart is 3 on any team's board.
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Post#1736 » by MiltownHawkeye » Wed May 28, 2014 9:40 pm

My lotto board
1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Exum
4. Parker
5. Smart
6. Vonleh
7. Stauskas
8. Gordon
9. Randle
10. Saric
11. Nurkic
12. Harris
13. LaVine
14. Young

I'n hoping our management has the Kansas guys at 1-2.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1737 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Wed May 28, 2014 9:41 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:My lotto board
1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Exum
4. Parker
5. Smart
6. Vonleh
7. Stauskas
8. Gordon
9. Randle
10. Saric
11. Nurkic
12. Harris
13. LaVine
14. Young

I'n hoping our management has the Kansas guys at 1-2.


This is where I'm at except Smart is behind Randle at 9 and I haven't watched much of the euros so LaVine jumps up.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1738 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Wed May 28, 2014 9:43 pm

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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1739 » by Zeezprah » Wed May 28, 2014 9:43 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Honestly, I still don't see it with Gordon.


agreed. absolutely 0 offense, even though it shouldn't be a problem COULD be a tweener on defense.

whenever a prospect is best known for his toughness/hustle/heart/etc, it usually means he isn't very skilled. i don't touch him in the top 10. can't believe some people mock him to utah at 5. yuck.
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Re: Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid 

Post#1740 » by ajb905 » Wed May 28, 2014 9:43 pm

JayMKE wrote:
El Duderino wrote:
JayMKE wrote:It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.


So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?


Last years draft sucked, the upside outweighed the risk. The upside of Exum doesn't outweigh the risk because I believe Embiid/Parker/Wiggins have upsides just as high or higher with resumes to back it up. If we were picking 15 this year like last year I wouldnt have a problem taking a chance on Exum.


I like Exum, though I think its accepted that point guard is the deepest position in the NBA and likely easiest to find a quality player. So taking him is a bit riskier assuming you believe the other 3 are similar prospects. Unless he's a Hardaway / wade like ball dominant scoring machine, the chances of him being a dominant player that can lead a team to the championship. Seems like he can penetrate and score but the lack of an outside game is worrisome (somewhat mitigated by age)

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