Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[step3profit]

Many consider Parker to be undersized for the PF when factoring in athleticism. If he had prototypical size he would not be regarded as a Tweener by some

Huh, factoring in his athleticism makes up for him being "undersized" for a PF. Now that his measurements are out, the only way he should be considered undersize is due to strength and bulk, he has the length and athleticism to play the position.

For those who insist the power forward should be a shot blocker, you could say his arms are a little short. While that's always a bonus, I think the team can make up the shot blocking from SF (Giannis) and the other 4/5 playing with him (Sanders and Henson), so that doesn't bother me. Other than shot blocking, his size isn't a consideration at all IMO.

[bullox]

I would strongly prefer Exum over Parker. Exum is a willing passer who fits the ideal mold of attacking the rim, shooting 3s, and dishing off to teammates. He also has very good size for his position which is a plus.

Parker by contrast loves the mid range 2 (worst shot in basketball), is Harden level bad on defense, and likely will be played undersized at his position.

The last thing I want is a player whose best case scenario is probably that of Melo, 1 of the most overrated players of the last decade.

How is 6'9" undersized?

Yeah that's a questionable comment. His height and weight are basically exactly average for a 4.

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[Ill-yasova]

I was just going through the list of top shot blockers I don't think it's fair to include Davis, Ibaka, and Duncan as PF's no matter what their roster says. Aside from those three you drop all the way down to 15 before you start seeing any traditional PF's. It's not really meant to be a shot blocking position.

[VooDoo7]

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I find it hard to believe that the average American male is only 5' 9.5"

[theFireBlanket]

For **** n giggles, I hope we do end up drafting Exum.

He can't be the pick.

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[MrPerfect1]

Many consider Parker to be undersized for the PF when factoring in athleticism. If he had prototypical size he would not be regarded as a Tweener by some

Huh, factoring in his athleticism makes up for him being "undersized" for a PF. Now that his measurements are out, the only way he should be considered undersize is due to strength and bulk, he has the length and athleticism to play the position.

So you think that scouting reports are mainly wrong. It is possible but that would mean many, many experts have incorrectly evaluated him.

So you think he is strong enough and tall enough to guard the David West's, Blake Griffins. and Lamarcus Aldridge's of the NBA? I (and many scouts) do not see prototypical size/speed from him.

I also contest the notion that athleticism does not play a part in the size someone plays. An explosive athlete will play bigger than their height would suggest.

[buckboy]

I would like to think that Gordon will become more self aware as he gets older. If he does he can definitely be a dynamite role player imo. Now, is that worth a mid lotto pick? I don't know but I could see him being a starter on a great team for sure, if everything breaks right for him and he has the will to do it.

I could see him anywhere from 7-11. Doubt he lasts past there just on pure potential.

[bullox]

I would like to think that Gordon will become more self aware as he gets older. If he does he can definitely be a dynamite role player imo. Now, is that worth a mid lotto pick? I don't know but I could see him being a starter on a great team for sure, if everything breaks right for him and he has the will to do it.

I could see him anywhere from 7-11. Doubt he lasts past there just on pure potential.

I see him as a bizarro Battier. Doesn't have the shooting ability but makes up for it with hustle buckets on put backs and cuts. He will be a versatile defender and a likely solid teammate, good glue guy. A guy that every team could use but not one of a good team's best 3 players.

[Max Green]

Many consider Parker to be undersized for the PF when factoring in athleticism. If he had prototypical size he would not be regarded as a Tweener by some

Huh, factoring in his athleticism makes up for him being "undersized" for a PF. Now that his measurements are out, the only way he should be considered undersize is due to strength and bulk, he has the length and athleticism to play the position.

So you think that scouting reports are mainly wrong. It is possible but that would mean many, many experts have incorrectly evaluated him.

So you think he is strong enough and tall enough to guard the David West's, Blake Griffins. and Lamarcus Aldridge's of the NBA? I (and many scouts) do not see prototypical size/speed from him.

I also contest the notion that athleticism does not play a part in the size someone plays. An explosive athlete will play bigger than their height would suggest.

Most of the reports I've seen say he would be able to play the Power Forward position.

The only reports questioning his speed was in regards to keeping up with fast Small Forwards, they said nothing about his speed at Power Forward. He has the speed/athleticism to play Power Forward. In fact most "prototypical" power forwards would have trouble keeping up with him. He's definitely tall enough to guard David West, Blake Griffin and Aldridge.

Check his height, Wingspan and standing reach compared to theirs when they entered the league and you would see they are all right around the length.

[AussieBuck]

Parker has 4 inches of reach on Tobes, he's in the Ersan range of longer PFs. While I'm at it Exum has SF length.

Standing reach:

Dante Exum 8'7
Tobias Harris 8'7.5
Jabari Parker 8'11.5

[Zeezprah]

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I find it hard to believe that the average American male is only 5' 9.5"

really? i'm only 5'10 (without shoes, no e-statting) and while i'm obviously not towering over anyone, i never feel "short" in almost any room. i always feel right about in the middle

when i'm out in california where there's less dutch people than the midwest and more hispanic people, i feel like a giant in certain areas

[JayMKE]

Parker def has the size to play the 4, near 9 foot standing reach as mentioned already. His body still is maturing too, you can tell just by looking at him. He could lean out or bulk up depending on what type of player we want him to be. I think he can play the 3 too. Don't see him as a tweener, see him as versatile.

[VooDoo7]

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I find it hard to believe that the average American male is only 5' 9.5"

really? i'm only 5'10 (without shoes, no e-statting) and while i'm obviously not towering over anyone, i never feel "short" in almost any room. i always feel right about in the middle

when i'm out in california where there's less dutch people than the midwest and more hispanic people, i feel like a giant in certain areas

I was just measured recently at 5'10.5", and I always feel like I'm the short one in the room.

[Baddy Chuck]

I really hate the idea of Parker at power forward. I think if he's your PF for any extended period you need a serious threat on both ends at center, a guy like Sanders wouldn't cut it. If I was drafting him it would be to be a full time small forward with an occasional match up every once in a while at power forward, he certainly wouldn't be splitting minutes there.

[blazza18]

Agree with Baddy. Prefer Parker as a SF if we drafted him.

[LUKE23]

I'm not arguing for Parker as he's #4 on my board, but with Giannis and Sanders it probably doesn't matter where you play him. This is assuming Sanders removes head from ass permanently, obviously. You are drafting Parker to be an offensive mismatch.

[Matches Malone]

From some of the interviews Hammond has done, it sounds like if they took Parker, they wouldn't mind putting him at the 4 between Giannis and Sanders. I think he compared him to what the Knicks do with Carmelo and how they use him at the 4.

[Badgerlander]

Parker is fine in the regular season at PF especially with a lot of transition, matchup dependent of course, but I would use him there sparingly if and when we make the playoffs. Gotta say it's fun watching Tobias run around PFs and Parker has a tighter handle and better outside shot. Put 4 guys on the court at the same time with good handles like Nate, Knight, Giannis, Parker and even Larry's handle is better than the average Center of course Parker needs to learn to pass, but that'll come, hopefully in the form of alley oops...

[El Duderino]

It's not a silly argument since Exum hasn't faced any competition, he's only played against players that he dominates physically. All those other guys have played against guys that can match up against them.

So by your logic then, if hypothetically high school players had been made eligible for last years draft, you wouldn't have taken either of Parker/Wiggins first overall because they had only faced inferior competition vs overmatched high school kids which they could dominate physically?

Last years draft sucked, the upside outweighed the risk. The upside of Exum doesn't outweigh the risk because I believe Embiid/Parker/Wiggins have upsides just as high or higher with resumes to back it up. If we were picking 15 this year like last year I wouldnt have a problem taking a chance on Exum.

There is risk in whoever the Bucks choose

FWIW, i'm not firmly in the camp that the Bucks should take Exum. If the Cavs take Embiid as they should and i expect, i'd likely take Wiggins second and am torn between Exum and Parker after that given all i have to go on with Exum is some youtube clips. Team front offices on the other hand have the time to evaluate every second of film on Exum 10 times over and see him in person.

Back to the risk factor. Exum isn't only really well liked by some random posters on this forum, he's going to go somewhere in the top 5 of a very deep draft after scouts/GM's of teams have evaluated him via countless of hours spent. So as much as you fear he could be a bust in the NBA, the reverse could easily end up happening. That teams in the top three pass on Exum for more socalled known commodities in Wiggins/Parker, then one or both ends up being only pretty good NBA players, while Exum ends up becoming special.

Those teams will then be left kicking themselves for being to scared to pick Exum because he hadn't played a year in college. Plus, it's not like Wiggins and Parker don't come with very legit red flags of their own. Wiggins struggles handling the ball, he can't go left, and his jumper needs work. Parker could be a tweener, was way to often poor defensively against lots of college kids who'll never play professionally anywhere, and his offense in conference play wasn't exactly special. So i think you are way overstating the risk aspect for only Exum compared to risks with Wiggins/Parker when it comes to the Bucks landing a badly needed special player. From what i've seen and read of all three, you could do a straw poll of say all 30 GM's and 100 plus scouts from their teams, and you'd get a wide array of picks on who they thought would end up being the best or worst long term player among Parker, Wiggins, and Exum, with no very clear consensus at all.

[Max Green]

Parker & Yanni will be interchangeable at the 3 & 4. Match ups can determine which "position" they play any given given, only thing that matters is that they will be on the floor together at both forward positions. If Yanni continues to grow and bulk up he can be the full-time 4 in the future and Parker can play the 3 if we draft him.