2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[for_tdot]

I drafted Clint Capela for us on the general NBA draft board, hope that makes the majority happy. I think he's a great fit next to Val and a piece we have sorely missed since the Camby days. He's the mos athletic big in this draft by a mile, already an incredible rebounder and shot blocker so he will get mins on that alone right away. My hope is that he turns into a Serge Ibaka type. Great long term potential with the Swiss product.

'Swiss product' - looks funny as Swiss are terrible at basketball. Of course Capela is an exception.

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btw would be great if Draftexpress made video analysis of Josh Huestis. Currently there's none. On the internet it's only possible to find short videos of him dunking or blocking shots.

He has same afro like Childress (both went to Stanford too).

So he asked for advise from Josh Childress and Landry Fields as they all went to Stanford.

Fields and Childress both are good defenders. I believe Huestis will be too.

Childress was 6th pick; Fields was 39th pick; Huestis is currently projected to go undrafted.
Huestis has best physical tools out of all of them meaning that he could be even better defender then Childress or Fields.

In their last year at Stanford their averages per 40 were
Childress 21 ppg 48.8 FG% 10.1 rpg 3.6 apg 1.2 spg 2.2 bpg
Fields 24.3 ppg 49 FG% 9.6 rpg 3.1 apg 1.8 spg 0.9 bpg
Huestis 12.7 ppg 45.1 FG% 9.3 rpg 1.4 apg 0.7 spg 2.2 bpg
Their PER were:
Childress 27.7
Fields 29.5
Huestis 17.6

Seems like Huestis is least talented scorer and passer out of them (neither Childress or Fields are good at scoring, kinda scary to think what Huestis would be). He is probably slower then Childress and Fields.

Overall, he's worth 59th pick.

[steamed hams]

Jordan Bachynski perfect replacement for Aaron Gray

[Kevin Willis]

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btw would be great if Draftexpress made video analysis of Josh Huestis. Currently there's none. On the internet it's only possible to find short videos of him dunking or blocking shots.

Luckily Stanford made the final four so the games are out there for reivew.

Here are his stats - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... sh-huestis

Can't remember if he was on Wiggins for the whole game when Stanford knocked them out but it was one of Wiggins poorest games.

[raptor jesus]

Jordan Bachynski perfect replacement for Aaron Gray

[Double Helix]

TJ Warren vs Jabari Parker. Don't laugh yet. Let's think this through. How big a talent gap is there? It's substantial obviously but have a look at both DX vids again back to back just for fun.

This is the Pierce vs Mashburn comparison over the first decade of their careers. As you can see, their raw counting stats weren't far off but Pierce was just better at doing everything that made Mashburn a special college player. Pierce was more efficient. Warren has some game to him and intriguing size and he has some strengths and weaknesses not totally unlike that of Parker. The question is therefore how much worse are his strengths, right?

As I mentioned before, Warren reminds me of the type of guy who would have gone in the lotto in the 1990s. He played in the same conference as Parker with far less complimentary help and put up similar counting stats on worse TS% because he shoots the 3 ball worse. He's also only a year older. They have the same size. They can both grab a board and go end to end. They both get to the line at a good rate. They both have tweener defensive weakness concerns. They both are naturals. The biggest difference is that Parker does everything Warren does at that next level and his 3 pointer is far better. Oddly enough, they both bring the ball down near their waist before shooting a 3, but Warren's drops further. Neither showed great perimeter D or passing ability.

In private workouts Warren's 3 looks much better and to hear him tell it during his combine interview he knows he can shoot it better than he showed in games. Leading that NC State team caused him to go hero mode a little too often at times because that's what they needed but perhaps in a lesser role, like a third scorer role, his efficiency would increase and you could simplify a role for him?

So, what do you think? Is a less efficient, less athletic, lower ceiling (75% version) Parker-type of SF not a bad get at 20? What if his 3 does reach that 35% range because he wasn't taking on so much usage and seeing so much defensive pressure? Would being drafted at 20 humble him? Would seeing Ross on D and coming to a defensive team like ours sharpen his perimeter D? Can he be groomed into an interesting SF?

I love his size for the position. I see some naturalistic talent. I think he will get better. Can he be a 15.5-16.0 PER SF in his prime whereas Parker projects to be a 20.0+ type? Caron Butler, a guy that I've seen Warren compared to, also was in that range. That's compelling value at 20, no? Given the lack of big SFs around the league wouldn't he become an interesting piece of trade bait down the road? Again, I'm just spitballing ideas here. I watched their DX videos back-to-back and became a little more intrigued by Warren because of it. If you haven't done so maybe try it now. There's a difference obviously but I think you may come away more impressed by Warren regardless. That, or you may think a little less of Parker as a team's best player. Either way... It's interesting.

[Undefeated]

Jabari actually has nice court vision and can dish the ball.

[for_tdot]

Jabari actually has nice court vision and can dish the ball.

I agree with you. See I told you I would back you.

[yt_boi]

TJ Warren vs Jabari Parker. Don't laugh yet. Let's think this through. How big a talent gap is there? It's substantial obviously but have a look at both DX vids again back to back just for fun.

This is the Pierce vs Mashburn comparison over the first decade of their careers. As you can see, their raw counting stats weren't far off but Pierce was just better at doing everything that made Mashburn a special college player. Pierce was more efficient. Warren has some game to him and intriguing size and he has some strengths and weaknesses not totally unlike that of Parker. The question is therefore how much worse are his strengths, right?

As I mentioned before, Warren reminds me of the type of guy who would have gone in the lotto in the 1990s. He played in the same conference as Parker with far less complimentary help and put up similar counting stats on worse TS% because he shoots the 3 ball worse. He's also only a year older. They have the same size. They can both grab a board and go end to end. They both get to the line at a good rate. They both have tweener defensive weakness concerns. They both are naturals. The biggest difference is that Parker does everything Warren does at that next level and his 3 pointer is far better. Oddly enough, they both bring the ball down near their waist before shooting a 3, but Warren's drops further. Neither showed great perimeter D or passing ability.

In private workouts Warren's 3 looks much better and to hear him tell it during his combine interview he knows he can shoot it better than he showed in games. Leading that NC State team caused him to go hero mode a little too often at times because that's what they needed but perhaps in a lesser role, like a third scorer role, his efficiency would increase and you could simplify a role for him?

So, what do you think? Is a less efficient, less athletic, lower ceiling (75% version) Parker-type of SF not a bad get at 20? What if his 3 does reach that 35% range because he wasn't taking on so much usage and seeing so much defensive pressure? Would being drafted at 20 humble him? Would seeing Ross on D and coming to a defensive team like ours sharpen his perimeter D? Can he be groomed into an interesting SF?

I love his size for the position. I see some naturalistic talent. I think he will get better. Can he be a 15.5-16.0 PER SF in his prime whereas Parker projects to be a 20.0+ type? Caron Butler, a guy that I've seen Warren compared to, also was in that range. That's compelling value at 20, no? Given the lack of big SFs around the league wouldn't he become an interesting piece of trade bait down the road? Again, I'm just spitballing ideas here. I watched their DX videos back-to-back and became a little more intrigued by Warren because of it. If you haven't done so maybe try it now. There's a difference obviously but I think you may come away more impressed by Warren regardless. That, or you may think a little less of Parker as a team's best player. Either way... It's interesting.

Love the analysis and thanks for that

I like warren a lot I just dont see him being able to defend. Hes a true sf where I see parker as a true pf that will be forced to play sf.

Theyre both natural scorers that lack a defensive identity so I def agree with you. Getting tj at 20 would be amazing value

[HSOB SIRHC]

Anyone like the Canadian Chadrack Lufile? I didn't know he was 6'9 around 260lbs. On top of that he can dribble and knock down the jumper? Our Lebron stopper!? If he goes undrafted, we should pick him up. I'll be honest though, haven't seen much of him and there aren't many videos online.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpm9THgNqBM[/youtube]

[Roland Brice]

TJ Warren vs Jabari Parker. Don't laugh yet. Let's think this through. How big a talent gap is there? It's substantial obviously but have a look at both DX vids again back to back just for fun.

This is the Pierce vs Mashburn comparison over the first decade of their careers. As you can see, their raw counting stats weren't far off but Pierce was just better at doing everything that made Mashburn a special college player. Pierce was more efficient. Warren has some game to him and intriguing size and he has some strengths and weaknesses not totally unlike that of Parker. The question is therefore how much worse are his strengths, right?

As I mentioned before, Warren reminds me of the type of guy who would have gone in the lotto in the 1990s. He played in the same conference as Parker with far less complimentary help and put up similar counting stats on worse TS% because he shoots the 3 ball worse. He's also only a year older. They have the same size. They can both grab a board and go end to end. They both get to the line at a good rate. They both have tweener defensive weakness concerns. They both are naturals. The biggest difference is that Parker does everything Warren does at that next level and his 3 pointer is far better. Oddly enough, they both bring the ball down near their waist before shooting a 3, but Warren's drops further. Neither showed great perimeter D or passing ability.

In private workouts Warren's 3 looks much better and to hear him tell it during his combine interview he knows he can shoot it better than he showed in games. Leading that NC State team caused him to go hero mode a little too often at times because that's what they needed but perhaps in a lesser role, like a third scorer role, his efficiency would increase and you could simplify a role for him?

So, what do you think? Is a less efficient, less athletic, lower ceiling (75% version) Parker-type of SF not a bad get at 20? What if his 3 does reach that 35% range because he wasn't taking on so much usage and seeing so much defensive pressure? Would being drafted at 20 humble him? Would seeing Ross on D and coming to a defensive team like ours sharpen his perimeter D? Can he be groomed into an interesting SF?

I love his size for the position. I see some naturalistic talent. I think he will get better. Can he be a 15.5-16.0 PER SF in his prime whereas Parker projects to be a 20.0+ type? Caron Butler, a guy that I've seen Warren compared to, also was in that range. That's compelling value at 20, no? Given the lack of big SFs around the league wouldn't he become an interesting piece of trade bait down the road? Again, I'm just spitballing ideas here. I watched their DX videos back-to-back and became a little more intrigued by Warren because of it. If you haven't done so maybe try it now. There's a difference obviously but I think you may come away more impressed by Warren regardless. That, or you may think a little less of Parker as a team's best player. Either way... It's interesting.

I don't think he'll be available at our pick, but nevertheless I worry that he only used ISO's to create 1.4% of his offense (according to DX), which tells me he isn't the creator we desire therefore Kyle and DeMar are forced to create everything like they did last season. Also, he puts in effort defensively but he's just not quick enough laterally so we'd suffer there as well. I think we give ourselves a better shot to win with Ross. Yes, Warren is a bigger small forward but that size does you no good if you can't keep up with the offensive player.

[tdotrep2]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

[Rapsobsessed7]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

I agree. At #59 it's a steal

[tdotrep2]

he wont be there at 59 unfortunately

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btw would be great if Draftexpress made video analysis of Josh Huestis. Currently there's none. On the internet it's only possible to find short videos of him dunking or blocking shots.

He has same afro like Childress (both went to Stanford too).

So he asked for advise from Josh Childress and Landry Fields as they all went to Stanford.

Fields and Childress both are good defenders. I believe Huestis will be too.

Childress was 6th pick; Fields was 39th pick; Huestis is currently projected to go undrafted.
Huestis has best physical tools out of all of them meaning that he could be even better defender then Childress or Fields.

In their last year at Stanford their averages per 40 were
Childress 21 ppg 48.8 FG% 10.1 rpg 3.6 apg 1.2 spg 2.2 bpg
Fields 24.3 ppg 49 FG% 9.6 rpg 3.1 apg 1.8 spg 0.9 bpg
Huestis 12.7 ppg 45.1 FG% 9.3 rpg 1.4 apg 0.7 spg 2.2 bpg
Their PER were:
Childress 27.7
Fields 29.5
Huestis 17.6

Seems like Huestis is least talented scorer and passer out of them (neither Childress or Fields are good at scoring, kinda scary to think what Huestis would be). He is probably slower then Childress and Fields.

Overall, he's worth 59th pick.

Obviously you don't know Dwight Powell went to Stanford as well and put up much better numbers and he is a Canadian. Why the hell would you take anyone else than Bachynski at 59th ideal back-up for Jonas.

[Dukenukem23]

We need this guy with a second rounder, he may be older but still has potential to be an excellent big off the bench, big body moves well and good defensive instincts. I think he can be a contributor on the offensive end as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsAQoa-9mK4[/youtube]

Very well spoken. I put alot of stock into these interviews and Bachynski just knocked this one out if the park. A player can have all the physical tools to succeed but they don't have the right mindset.

Like some posters have said he's gone before #59 so I hope he falls to a team where he can get some PT and continue to develop. When he's 31 we can sign him as a FA

[Volcano]

I drafted Clint Capela for us on the general NBA draft board, hope that makes the majority happy. I think he's a great fit next to Val and a piece we have sorely missed since the Camby days. He's the mos athletic big in this draft by a mile, already an incredible rebounder and shot blocker so he will get mins on that alone right away. My hope is that he turns into a Serge Ibaka type. Great long term potential with the Swiss product.

With Capela I'm worried about:

- weak league
- raw (a lot will be banking on development, which means he'll need to have great work ethic, have his head on straight and be smart/talented enough to develop properly)
- poor feel for the game
- low offensive potential
- questionable or low b-ball IQ

maybe end up like a Dalembert type on defense and Biyombo on offense.

[No-Man]

Right now I got Kyle Anderson, KJ McDaniels and Isaiah Austin for Toronto.

[No-Man]

I drafted Clint Capela for us on the general NBA draft board, hope that makes the majority happy. I think he's a great fit next to Val and a piece we have sorely missed since the Camby days. He's the mos athletic big in this draft by a mile, already an incredible rebounder and shot blocker so he will get mins on that alone right away. My hope is that he turns into a Serge Ibaka type. Great long term potential with the Swiss product.

'Swiss product' - looks funny as Swiss are terrible at basketball. Of course Capela is an exception.

he is not, Capela is terrible at bball right now and just merely a project.

he is a borderline 1st rounder, if Toronto picks him at 20 they will be making a major reach.
Toronto could easily find a better talent at 20, and a better project, Payton, Hood, Grant, Anderson and Porzingis, could be there at 20, some of them will, all are better projects than Clint.
Ennis, Napier, Adams, Hairston, Warren, Inglis and Payne will be there too and I will pick all of them before Capela too.

[Risk101]

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Zach Lavine's athleticism, speed, and shooting mechanics are to good to be true for a point guard his size. He needs to add more bulk but man he looks like a stud. If he stayed at UCLA for another year he would have been top 5 without a doubt.

Top 3 right now at the 20 spot=
1. Zach Lavine - assuming he's still available
2. Clint Capela - assuming he's still available
3. K.J McDaniels -