McJesus - The Josh McRoberts Thread

[catch20two]

Not like we can't resign him. Im assuming he is a UFA. Give him a million or so on a one year deal and call it a day

Adrien is long gone now. He'll get 2-3 mil from some team and we can't really afford that unless he's our immediate backup. 2-3 mil is too much for a player Clifford will bench rot.

I don't see him getting 2-3 million from any team, at all. He put up decent stats on a horrific Bucks team, but Henderson averaged 22 a game for us for a while on a terrible team as well.

Big men get overvalued on the market in comparison to guards. Adrien showed that he could be a double-double threat on high efficiency with solid defense to boot not only on our team but with the Bucks too. He finished the season with a 17.4 PER after playing consistent minutes. That's not something to sneeze at. Some team will offer him at least 2 mil.

[mrknowitall215]

I don't see him getting 2-3 million from any team, at all. He put up decent stats on a horrific Bucks team

Example: if you really need a power forward, re-sign Jeff Adrien to a two-year, $2-3 million per season deal. He'll play as much or as little as you ask, work his ass off when he does get on the court, and toughen up the young guys in practice. You'll never be disappointed at that price.

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Bucks fans might disagree

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't see him getting 2-3 million from any team, at all. He put up decent stats on a horrific Bucks team

Example: if you really need a power forward, re-sign Jeff Adrien to a two-year, $2-3 million per season deal. He'll play as much or as little as you ask, work his ass off when he does get on the court, and toughen up the young guys in practice. You'll never be disappointed at that price.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2014/4/25/56457 ... ukee-bucks

Bucks fans might disagree

Lol well I wish them luck with that. If he is worth 3 million a year than McRoberts is going to be out of our price range.

[mrknowitall215]

I don't see him getting 2-3 million from any team, at all. He put up decent stats on a horrific Bucks team

Example: if you really need a power forward, re-sign Jeff Adrien to a two-year, $2-3 million per season deal. He'll play as much or as little as you ask, work his ass off when he does get on the court, and toughen up the young guys in practice. You'll never be disappointed at that price.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2014/4/25/56457 ... ukee-bucks

Bucks fans might disagree

Lol well I wish them luck with that. If he is worth 3 million a year than McRoberts is going to be out of our price range.

Adrien will likely only get about $2 million, but he's definitely worth it

McRoberts is probably worth $4-6 million in general, but Charlotte has to consider the pill they swallowed with drafting Cody Zeller as a top-5 pick. It would be ideal to only sign McRoberts to a contract that doesn't extend past two seasons, but I'm not sure whether McRoberts is looking for more money in the short term or long term security. I could see Charlotte giving McRoberts 2 years/$10 million, but I seriously doubt they go over $4 million annually if it's 3 years or more

[mrknowitall215]

I feel like we need to make a decision on one of McBob or Zeller because both of them together can't be our PF rotation the next 2-3 years next to Jefferson. We need a player that's tough and gritty or at least a shot blocker next to Jefferson. McBob and Zeller are kinda soft being mild about it. It would've been nice if we kept Adrien.

Adrien should've been the backup PF earlier in the season when Zeller was struggling miserably, but I didn't understand why Clifford used Adrien's stellar performance to play him out of position at center and belittle Biyombo who was actually playing well

As far as the McRoberts & Zeller power forward duo, I agree, they are too pulpy combined, especially when you consider Jefferson not being much of a muscle element. I'm not opposed to allowing McRoberts to walk this offseason for a more ideal fit next to Jefferson (like Ed Davis via RFA or Taj Gibson/John Henson via trade) no more than I'm not opposed to trading Zeller packaged with the Detroit or Portland 1st rounder for the preferred shooting guard of the future

[Liver_Pooty]

Bucks fans might disagree

Lol well I wish them luck with that. If he is worth 3 million a year than McRoberts is going to be out of our price range.

Adrien will likely only get about $2 million, but he's definitely worth it

McRoberts is probably worth $4-6 million in general, but Charlotte has to consider the pill they swallowed with drafting Cody Zeller as a top-5 pick. It would be ideal to only sign McRoberts to a contract that doesn't extend past two seasons, but I'm not sure whether McRoberts is looking for more money in the short term or long term security. I could see Charlotte giving McRoberts 2 years/$10 million, but I seriously doubt they go over $4 million annually if it's 3 years or more

I agree. Can definitely see McRoberts wanting long term security, which in that case I would go 3/13 to 3/14 with a team option on 3rd year.

[LamarMatic7]

I came to this conclusion upon your point of view combined with looking at Nick Collison's current $2.5 million annual contract. Back in 2010, Collison re-signed with the Thunder for 4 years/$11.03 million (which included a $6.5 million signing bonus for the first season that decreased to $3.3 million the following year). McRoberts is essentially to this Bobcats rebuild what Collison was to the Thunder's emergence a few years ago

That Collison deal really is one of the most clever contracts given in NBA history. I love the ingenuity behind that move.

[HornetJail]

I came to this conclusion upon your point of view combined with looking at Nick Collison's current $2.5 million annual contract. Back in 2010, Collison re-signed with the Thunder for 4 years/$11.03 million (which included a $6.5 million signing bonus for the first season that decreased to $3.3 million the following year). McRoberts is essentially to this Bobcats rebuild what Collison was to the Thunder's emergence a few years ago

That Collison deal really is one of the most clever contracts given in NBA history. I love the ingenuity behind that move.

Unfortunately we're not able to giving signing bonuses like that anymore. Signing bonuses affect every year of the contract, meaning we wouldn't be allowed to give McBob an 10/2/2/2 contract (4/16M), instead that $8M signing bonus would make his contract 4/4/4/4 anyway. That's a CBA change

[Liver_Pooty]

We keep mentioning how we need to upgrade the PF position, and I disagree. I don't think McRoberts has even played his best basketball yet.

[catch20two]

We keep mentioning how we need to upgrade the PF position, and I disagree. I don't think McRoberts has even played his best basketball yet.

I think that was as good as McBob is gonna play last year which isn't a bad thing at all because he was very serviceable. If McBob get any better than Zeller will be a bench player forever.

[Liver_Pooty]

We keep mentioning how we need to upgrade the PF position, and I disagree. I don't think McRoberts has even played his best basketball yet.

I think that was as good as McBob is gonna play last year which isn't a bad thing at all because he was very serviceable. If McBob get any better than Zeller will be a bench player forever.

McRoberts has nothing to do with Zeller. No one knows how good Zeller is going to be, and Zeller gets way too much hate considering he had a very fine second half of the season for a rookie. McRoberts is still just 27, and has developed exponentially over the past 2 years. I think he still has another gear or two he can hit.

[catch20two]

We keep mentioning how we need to upgrade the PF position, and I disagree. I don't think McRoberts has even played his best basketball yet.

I think that was as good as McBob is gonna play last year which isn't a bad thing at all because he was very serviceable. If McBob get any better than Zeller will be a bench player forever.

McRoberts has nothing to do with Zeller. No one knows how good Zeller is going to be, and Zeller gets way too much hate considering he had a very fine second half of the season for a rookie. McRoberts is still just 27, and has developed exponentially over the past 2 years. I think he still has another gear or two he can hit.

McBob was on par for his usual per 36 numbers for his career just with a added dimension of a 3 point shot and less rebounds. McBob has everything to do with Zeller because as long as Zeller can't eclipse McBob's shine he will be a bench player that'll never get the chance to live up to his top 5 pick billing.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think that was as good as McBob is gonna play last year which isn't a bad thing at all because he was very serviceable. If McBob get any better than Zeller will be a bench player forever.

McRoberts has nothing to do with Zeller. No one knows how good Zeller is going to be, and Zeller gets way too much hate considering he had a very fine second half of the season for a rookie. McRoberts is still just 27, and has developed exponentially over the past 2 years. I think he still has another gear or two he can hit.

McBob was on par for his usual per 36 numbers for his career just with a added dimension of a 3 point shot and less rebounds. McBob has everything to do with Zeller because as long as Zeller can't eclipse McBob's shine he will be a bench player that'll never get the chance to live up to his top 5 pick billing.

He was the third most productive player drafted in the top 10 last year. You should thank the stars we didn't draft McLemore or Alex Len.

Edit: Or Bennett. Was a terrible draft class, and we made a solid pick compared to most teams.

[catch20two]

McRoberts has nothing to do with Zeller. No one knows how good Zeller is going to be, and Zeller gets way too much hate considering he had a very fine second half of the season for a rookie. McRoberts is still just 27, and has developed exponentially over the past 2 years. I think he still has another gear or two he can hit.

McBob was on par for his usual per 36 numbers for his career just with a added dimension of a 3 point shot and less rebounds. McBob has everything to do with Zeller because as long as Zeller can't eclipse McBob's shine he will be a bench player that'll never get the chance to live up to his top 5 pick billing.

He was the third most productive player drafted in the top 10 last year. You should thank the stars we didn't draft McLemore or Alex Len.

I'm very thankful that we didn't draft McLemore and I've been on record about that since the beginning but that don't mean that I should have low expectations for Zeller because the rest of the draft class is terrible.

If Zeller ain't gonna be better than McBob than he's a bust.

[Liver_Pooty]

McBob was on par for his usual per 36 numbers for his career just with a added dimension of a 3 point shot and less rebounds. McBob has everything to do with Zeller because as long as Zeller can't eclipse McBob's shine he will be a bench player that'll never get the chance to live up to his top 5 pick billing.

He was the third most productive player drafted in the top 10 last year. You should thank the stars we didn't draft McLemore or Alex Len.

I'm very thankful that we didn't draft McLemore and I've been on record about that since the beginning but that don't mean that I should have low expectations for Zeller because the rest of the draft class is terrible.

If Zeller ain't gonna be better than McBob than he's a bust.

I guess 95% of the draft class is a bust then. Zeller will eventually be better. But I doubt its as soon as next year.

[catch20two]

He was the third most productive player drafted in the top 10 last year. You should thank the stars we didn't draft McLemore or Alex Len.

I'm very thankful that we didn't draft McLemore and I've been on record about that since the beginning but that don't mean that I should have low expectations for Zeller because the rest of the draft class is terrible.

If Zeller ain't gonna be better than McBob than he's a bust.

I guess 95% of the draft class is a bust then. Zeller will eventually be better. But I doubt its as soon as next year.

Everybody depicted this draft class as a bust before draft day. The top prospect had a torn ACL, that's how bad it was. Scouts were calling it one of the worst draft classes ever and that teams should trade down or completely trade out of it. The way I see it is if Zeller doesn't show to be better than McBob by the end of this year then it might be time to seriously consider a trade while his value is still kinda high as a young prospect. McBob is essentially just a good backup that's forced to start because Zeller wasn't good enough.

[Liver_Pooty]

I'm very thankful that we didn't draft McLemore and I've been on record about that since the beginning but that don't mean that I should have low expectations for Zeller because the rest of the draft class is terrible.

If Zeller ain't gonna be better than McBob than he's a bust.

I guess 95% of the draft class is a bust then. Zeller will eventually be better. But I doubt its as soon as next year.

Everybody depicted this draft class as a bust before draft day. The top prospect had a torn ACL, that's how bad it was. Scouts were calling it one of the worst draft classes ever and that teams should trade down or completely trade out of it. The way I see it is if Zeller doesn't show to be better than McBob by the end of this year then it might be time to seriously consider a trade while his value is still kinda high as a young prospect. McBob is essentially just a good backup that's forced to start because Zeller wasn't good enough.

McRoberts has done more than enough to show that he is not a backup in this league. He is a legitimate starter, and Im happy. more than happy that he starts for our team. He shows toughness, can shoot the three, is OK on defense, and is a great passer.

We will disagree on that one.

[catch20two]

McBob isn't really a legit starter. I doubt he'd start for over a quarter of the teams in the league if traded today. He's just good enough if your team doesn't have the cap space or assets to upgrade but we do. McBob don't even have a above average PER. This team need to get better whether it mean upgrading McBob at PF or Hendo at SG. They are the two weakest links in the starting lineup. McBob would make for a even better backup PF.

[Radu_Hornets]

I guess 95% of the draft class is a bust then. Zeller will eventually be better. But I doubt its as soon as next year.

Everybody depicted this draft class as a bust before draft day. The top prospect had a torn ACL, that's how bad it was. Scouts were calling it one of the worst draft classes ever and that teams should trade down or completely trade out of it. The way I see it is if Zeller doesn't show to be better than McBob by the end of this year then it might be time to seriously consider a trade while his value is still kinda high as a young prospect. McBob is essentially just a good backup that's forced to start because Zeller wasn't good enough.

McRoberts has done more than enough to show that he is not a backup in this league. He is a legitimate starter, and Im happy. more than happy that he starts for our team. He shows toughness, can shoot the three, is OK on defense, and is a great passer.

We will disagree on that one.

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[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I sometimes wonder if folks here don't undervalue what McBob brings to the table both on the court and off. The work with Zeller and that road trip ... the help defense and outside shooting.

Look, he isn't a perfect player. There are better starting forwards. However McBob is a good fit for this team right now and finding someone else better that fits Cliff's system isn't going to be easy. I'll be happy if the team does find someone, but I'm not going to be disappointed if McBob is back for another year or two provided the contract numbers are OK.