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Post#181 » by dorkestra » Sat May 24, 2014 3:02 pm

Kebab most good wrote:Seems Saric needs one of those medieval stretch machines since it appears he is not long enough. :D
There is much more to basketball than the length of your arms. People have become to upset with measurments. What happend to the good old eye test?

Saric will never have a big wingspan, but he is working on his post game, on his three point shot, body, finishing under contact all the things he needs to play pf on the NBA level. And watching him during his time in Cibona you can see a remarkable growth. He want`s to be the best, win every game. And he leads by example. I meen, if your best player is diving in the stands for losse balls, fighting for every ball, plays with energy each and every minute of every game... than his teammates start to belive in winning and so do the fans.

And, just for fun, if we are going by that logic, who of this pf-s has the speed to stop Saric on the perimeter? And who is the 20 year old pf in the world who has the strenght to bang with the likes of Randolph, Nene or West?


Length does make a pretty big difference when you are a PF hoping to guard the opposing PF in a half court set. For example, every time we play Portland, Aldridge (who isn't even that remarkable of a defender) gives Thaddeus Young fits because he doesn't even need to time his jump properly to alter some of Thad's attempts. I love Thad and his heart and desire, but he doesn't have the length to ever be a premier PF in the NBA.
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Post#182 » by dorkestra » Sat May 24, 2014 3:11 pm

I think this is a guy who is physically a four out of ten and mentally a nine out of ten.
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Post#183 » by sisibilio » Sat May 24, 2014 3:13 pm

Saric is at least 2 inches taller than Young though.
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Post#184 » by dorkestra » Sat May 24, 2014 3:19 pm

sisibilio wrote:Saric is at least 2 inches taller than Young though.


Which gives Dario a vision advantage, because his eyes are higher, but Thad has a larger wingspan by almost two inches and still has trouble.
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Post#185 » by Kebab most good » Sat May 24, 2014 3:29 pm

The measurments of Saric´s wingspan seem a bit odd. I mean, he doesnt have extra long hands, but his fists are huge and by seeing his hands you would think it is more around 7-0, 7-1. Maybe they will measure his wingspan again pre draft and we will have a clearer picture. And about shooting over the likes of Aldrige, off course he would strugle, but shooting over people is not his game. Primarly he tries to get by his man, who then back off, and that gets him the separation needed. Off course that falls in water if he is not hitting his shoots, but he has made great strides in that side shot aprox. five meters from the basket. If you back of, he will hit it. A year ago, it would go all over the place.
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Post#186 » by Kebab most good » Thu May 29, 2014 9:05 am

In his latest interview for the croatian press Saric said that his mindset at the moment is that he will go straight to the NBA next year. He also said that does not deppend of which team picks him, but he always was a Lakers fan.

On a side note... Cibona beat Zadar to reach the finals against Cedevita (Saric-Nurkic duel). Saric playing as usual scoring 28 points to go with 8 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 blocks. He has outgrown this pond. :nod:
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Post#187 » by pohani komarac » Thu May 29, 2014 11:25 am

Lakers are most intrested in Saric. Their GM was folowing Saric and they have scout on evrey Saric game over last month or so
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Post#188 » by thamadkant » Thu May 29, 2014 12:17 pm

Well with lakers interested... Vladimir Radmanovic came to mind...


But he could be the next best euro .. A year of NBA training he could add muscle, strength, hardness etc ... He already has the skills and mind set it seems... Talent also.


Maybe a better Turkoglu (can't find another non-euro 6'10 guy who can shoot, dribble, pass etc with his game style)
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Post#189 » by Novocaine » Thu May 29, 2014 8:30 pm

dorkestra wrote:I think he would generally struggle defensively at power forward. I made a quick judgment on the current starting powerforwards in the league and how Saric would deal:

Sixers - Thad - Fine
Raptors - Amir - Might be fine/Might be too long
Knicks - Bargnani - Too big
Nets - Garnett - Too long
Celtics - Sullinger - Might be fine/Might be too strong
Bucks - Ilyasova - Fine
Pistons - Monroe/Smith - Too long
Bulls - Gibson - Too strong
Cavaliers - Thompson - Fine
Pacers - West - Too strong
Heat - Bosh - Too long
Bobcats - McRoberts(?) - Fine
Hawks - Horford - Too strong and long
Wizards - Nene - Too strong
Magic - Harris - Fine
Spurs - Duncan - Too big and strong
Mavericks - Nowitzki - Too long
Rockets - Jones - Too long
Grizzlies - Randolph - Too big, strong, and long
Pelicans - Davis - Too long
Wolves - Love - Too big and strong
Thunder - Ibaka - Too long and strong
Blazers - Aldridge - Too long
Jazz - Favors - Too big, strong, and long
Nuggets - Faried - Too strong
Clippers - Griffin - Too strong
Lakers - Hill - Too long
Kings - Thompson - Too big
Warriors - Lee - Might be fine/Might be too strong
Suns - Frye - Too big and long


You must be right. That's why Paul Pierce -who's smaller and shorter than Saric- was such a defensive liability for the Nets playing the 4, no?

I mean Favors is too big, strong and long? Bargnani is too big? Bargnani has routinely been defended by players smaller than Saric without much problem. Faried is too strong? They're going to isolate Faried on Saric and hope he scores?

If you really believe in that, you have no clue. You're confusing longer/stronger with too long/too strong - assuming there's any meaning in those expressions.

Saric's size is more than adequate for a 4 in today's NBA. He's on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of size and length but he'll also be one of the quickest and most skilled ones. And defensively he'll be fine enough. He'll struggle to defend those long, skilled, PFs like LMA, but who doesn't? If he were a 7 footer, then he'd be a Dirk type of prospect and he'd be a top-3 pick in this draft and the number one in many.

So I guess this is a good argument to not pick Saric in the top 3.
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Post#190 » by sisibilio » Thu May 29, 2014 9:08 pm

1UPZ wrote:Well with lakers interested... Vladimir Radmanovic came to mind...


But he could be the next best euro .. A year of NBA training he could add muscle, strength, hardness etc ... He already has the skills and mind set it seems... Talent also.


Maybe a better Turkoglu (can't find another non-euro 6'10 guy who can shoot, dribble, pass etc with his game style)

Turkoglu was clearly a wing, a more consistent Odom with worse defense is probably closer.
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Post#191 » by Rosque » Thu May 29, 2014 9:58 pm

He is a white Odom.

Also, he is roumored to be interested only in Celtics and Lakers. Not believing it until I read it in my local newspaper.
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Post#192 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu May 29, 2014 11:10 pm

His incredibly short wingspan is a major concern. Basketball plays are made with the hands so I am not concerned with the top of his head measurement from the ground. I am more concerned with his standing reach measurement. I believe that it could be so short that it's on par with the typical NBA small forward. I looked through his tape and I seen a 6'7" player named Marko_Ramljak block Saric's dunk attempt.
http://youtu.be/vF8DXvmy73Q?t=1m27s

As for the Lamar Odom comparison, a young Lamar Odom would have completed that dunk attempt. Saric is more like a Toni Kukoc or even Detlef Schrempf because all three have shooting ability unlike Odom.
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Post#193 » by Novocaine » Fri May 30, 2014 12:03 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:His incredibly short wingspan is a major concern. Basketball plays are made with the hands so I am not concerned with the top of his head measurement from the ground. I am more concerned with his standing reach measurement. I believe that it could be so short that it's on par with the typical NBA small forward. I looked through his tape and I seen a 6'7" player named Marko_Ramljak block Saric's dunk attempt.
http://youtu.be/vF8DXvmy73Q?t=1m27s

As for the Lamar Odom comparison, a young Lamar Odom would have completed that dunk attempt. Saric is more like a Toni Kukoc or even Detlef Schrempf because all three have shooting ability unlike Odom.


That was all arm. Rewatch the play, Ramljak wasn't even close to the ball.
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And height is important. Standing reach is a product of height and wingspan, arm length.

Off the top of my head, guys who are on Saric's ballpark in terms of length - some may have an inch or so on him in terms of standing reach, just like others are an inch or so shorter and played minutes at the 4 in the past regular season (either as their primary or secondary position). I don't believe any of them has any meaningful advantage over Saric in terms of length:

Thad Young
Tyler Hansbrough
Paul Pierce
Mirza Teletovic
Kris Humphries
Kelly Olynyk
Jared Sullinger
Anthony Bennet
Carmelo Anthony
Tristan Thompson
Kevin Love
Matt Bonner
Anthony Tolliver
Boris Diaw
Patrick Patterson
David Lee
Ryan Anderson
Josh McRoberts
Markieff Morris
Chandler Parsons
DeMarre Carroll
Mike Scott
Mbah a Moute
Glen Davis
Josh Powell
Caron Butler
Udonis Haslem
Trevor Booker
Ersan Ilyasova
Luis Scola
Carl Landry
Draymond Green
Khris Middleton
Tobias Harris

I'm probably forgetting quite a few.

Not to mention Julius Randle, Jabari Parker, Aaron Gordon, Doug McDermott - the four guys projected to go in the top 10 and who might play PF are all shorter than Saric.

I can see length being a problem for McDermott to play the 4 adequately in the NBA, for example, but Saric has at least 2 or 3 inches on McDermott in terms of height plus a longer wingspan.

Saric doesn't have ideal length and size for the PF position, he's on the lower side, but the idea that it's some sort of disqualifying weakness is borderline absurd.
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Post#194 » by Spalato » Fri May 30, 2014 5:08 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:As for the Lamar Odom comparison, a young Lamar Odom would have completed that dunk attempt. Saric is more like a Toni Kukoc or even Detlef Schrempf because all three have shooting ability unlike Odom.


Dude, Kukoc was loong. A young Kukoc would have definitely completed that dunk attempt as well.

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Post#195 » by Spalato » Fri May 30, 2014 5:27 am

Impacien wrote:Saric doesn't have ideal length and size for the PF position, he's on the lower side, but the idea that it's some sort of disqualifying weakness is borderline absurd.


He struggles to shoot over Euro-grade players down low - how is this going to get any better when he enters the NBA?

I mean we got a guy who loves to play outside, distribute, create, shoot, dribble, and run, and is hyperactive and aggressive, yet the wisdom I'm reading here is to stuff him down low and expect him to be patient till somebody passes it to him in the post with the occasional jump-shot here and there. That is not his game - he will rot down there. If he goes down low, Luis Scola is his ceiling. Nothing to look forward to.

So the question is, should the aim be to turn him into a Luis Scola type of player, or take a "gamble" and allow him to flourish into a matchup-nightmare for the opposition?

There are much bigger rewards doing the latter for both team and player.
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Re: Dario Saric 

Post#196 » by Novocaine » Fri May 30, 2014 5:54 am

Spalato wrote:
Impacien wrote:Saric doesn't have ideal length and size for the PF position, he's on the lower side, but the idea that it's some sort of disqualifying weakness is borderline absurd.


He struggles to shoot over Euro-grade players down low - how is this going to get any better when he enters the NBA?

I mean we got a guy who loves to play outside, distribute, create, shoot, dribble, and run, and is hyperactive and aggressive, yet the wisdom I'm reading here is to stuff him down low and expect him to be patient till somebody passes it to him in the post with the occasional jump-shot here and there. That is not his game - he will rot down there. If he goes down low, Luis Scola is his ceiling. Nothing to look forward to.

So the question is, should the aim be to turn him into a Luis Scola type of player, or take a "gamble" and allow him to flourish into a matchup-nightmare for the opposition?

There are much bigger rewards doing the latter for both team and player.


This again. Since when a PF needs to be a post player, let alone a low post player? Why on earth can't he play outside? It sounds like some people are stuck in 1997.

Saric defended by NBA 4s >>>> Saric defended by NBA 3s. It's really that simple. The slower the defender on him, the better he'll do.
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Post#197 » by EMG518 » Sat May 31, 2014 4:05 pm

I just watched the Adriatic League Finals, anyone else really high on Saric besides me. I think we often pick apart alot of these prospects too heavily. You certainly can question his position, his lateral quicks and shooting for the 3, strength and length for the 4 but he is just such a good basketball player. A place can be found for him on the court, he has the iq, vision, and handle of a point guard but has better passing and playmaking than most point guards at 6'10" which is ridiculous. Even if he is a below average defender, his skill set warrants playing time. It out weighs his defensive woes which peronally I think are overstated at this point.
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Post#198 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 31, 2014 4:35 pm

His game doesn't make much sense right now because he isn't an elite shooter. But if ever he does develop an elite 3 point shot, I see Peja Stojakovic and Dirk like scoring production potential out of him.
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Post#199 » by Kebab most good » Sat May 31, 2014 5:55 pm

Saric´s latest game against Zadar...


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Post#200 » by Rapsfan07 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 6:22 am

I like Saric a lot. He's going to be a good SF in this league if he can at least adequately guard his opponent.
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