2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[Roland Brice]

Finally, spent some more time looking at Spencer Dimwiddie. I didn't realize the slow pace Colorado played at but if you look at his pace adjusted minutes they're really interesting. He's very talented. When I imagine his NBA impact I'm imagining a Lou Williams type of 6th man impact and there's definitely value in that. Tight handle. 0.67 true shooting percentage and capable of pull-up 3s. Good pick and roll guy who can make you pay either way. He can create for teammates. He's not explosive but he's really smooth and cerebral out there.

He'd be a nice second round pick.

Good to see you finally came around. Dinwiddie is a first round pick if not for the ACL injury, and he seems motivated to come back even better from it.

[BillyGM]

Dinwiddie's injury will make him 2nd rounder for sure. Also, don't we have good 6th man already in T Ross?

[thunderforce]

Dinwiddie's injury will make him 2nd rounder for sure. Also, don't we have good 6th man already in T Ross?

I don't think they want to make Ross a 6th man , the starting line up needs his defense too much .

[BillyGM]

Dinwiddie's injury will make him 2nd rounder for sure. Also, don't we have good 6th man already in T Ross?

I don't think they want to make Ross a 6th man , the starting line up needs his defense too much .

But what if our drafted SF will turn out to be starting caliber, Ross would be perfect 6th man. Then we don't really need another 6th man in 2nd round?

[m83588333]

Ross can't be sixth he cant create his own shot. Ideally DeRozan would be a sixth since he can play both SG/SF but his lack of a 3 hurts.

[Double Helix]

If we somehow drafted a SF steal that earned a starting spot because he was clearly better overall than Ross (how awesome would that be, by the way!?) then I'd look to trade Ross. He'd have value obviously. Who knows what you could get?

The prototypical 6th man (Reggie Jackson/Lou Williams/Manu/Harden in OKC/Waiters, Terry, etc) is a guard who comes in and anchors your second unit with spark plug offence not just for himself but for his teammates. You want a guy that can handle the ball and create for himself and others. That's not Ross. Dimwiddie's game is tailor-suited for that type of role.

Imagine if you were lucky enough to get a SF steal at 20 in this draft and a guy like Dimwiddie at 37. Imagine if you could flip Ross as part of a starting caliber PF package? Now, you have a starting caliber SF, a nice young 6th man type to groom, and a starting PF.

[BillyGM]

If we somehow drafted a SF steal that earned a starting spot because he was clearly better overall than Ross (how awesome would that be, by the way!?) then I'd look to trade Ross. He'd have value obviously. Who knows what you could get?

The prototypical 6th man (Reggie Jackson/Lou Williams/Manu/Harden in OKC/Waiters, Terry, etc) is a guard who comes in and anchors your second unit with spark plug offence not just for himself but for his teammates. You want a guy that can handle the ball and create for himself and others. That's not Ross. Dimwiddie's game is tailor-suited for that type of role.

Imagine if you were lucky enough to get a SF steal at 20 in this draft and a guy like Dimwiddie at 37. Imagine if you could flip Ross as part of a starting caliber PF package? Now, you have a starting caliber SF, a nice young 6th man type to groom, and a starting PF.

Kinda want to keep Ross But I see what you saying.

[thunderforce]

If we somehow drafted a SF steal that earned a starting spot because he was clearly better overall than Ross (how awesome would that be, by the way!?) then I'd look to trade Ross. He'd have value obviously. Who knows what you could get?

The prototypical 6th man (Reggie Jackson/Lou Williams/Manu/Harden in OKC/Waiters, Terry, etc) is a guard who comes in and anchors your second unit with spark plug offence not just for himself but for his teammates. You want a guy that can handle the ball and create for himself and others. That's not Ross. Dimwiddie's game is tailor-suited for that type of role.

Imagine if you were lucky enough to get a SF steal at 20 in this draft and a guy like Dimwiddie at 37. Imagine if you could flip Ross as part of a starting caliber PF package? Now, you have a starting caliber SF, a nice young 6th man type to groom, and a starting PF.

This will show you how valuable Ross is because if he was gone it would hurt us because he was defending some of the best point guards , he is just so valuable to have that I just can't see us getting rid of him . To top it all off he could still blow up and become a great player we just don't know yet .

[BillyGM]

I didn't think that Jimmy Butler has same wingspan as Terrence Ross but he does, same height too.
Jimmy Butler 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.5" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
Terrence Ross 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.25" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Ross-5747/
So to all this wingspan fappers it doesn't mean that a player with smaller wingspan is going to be bad defender. Jimmy and Terrence are great examples.
TJ and Rodney don't have extraordinary wingspan in this years draft, they are bad at defense but I believe they can improve. Rodney has above average athleticism so it should be easier for him to improve and he is not a tweener.

[Rapsfan07]

Glad you've come around to Dinwiddie, DH. He's got a lot of talent and he's on my list of top 5 choices from the second round.

I like the Lou Williams comparison... IMO it's fairly accurate and that's quite the pick up in the second round. Not sure if I'd want to move Ross though (should Dinwiddie pan out) because he's got great defense. But young, valuable assets is a good problem to have.

Take a look at Burton too. I think he has more potential than Dinwiddie


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[Indeed]

Ross can't be sixth he cant create his own shot. Ideally DeRozan would be a sixth since he can play both SG/SF but his lack of a 3 hurts.

Exactly, I hardly see a 6th man at PG/SG/SF not being an offensive threat. Maybe PF and C can be a more defensive 6th man, but looking at history, still an offensive focus to bring up the bench scoring. Eg. JR Smith, Lou Williams, Jamison, and etc.

Ross is best to guard opposing best scorer, which means he should be starter (based on matchup) to guard against the best PG/SG (avoid them getting hot early).

Vasquez who comes off the bench hot and capable of carrying the team would be great, plus you can play him in clutch time at SG if need to.

[OAKLEY_2]

Dinwiddie's injury will make him 2nd rounder for sure. Also, don't we have good 6th man already in T Ross?

I don't think they want to make Ross a 6th man , the starting line up needs his defense too much .

But what if our drafted SF will turn out to be starting caliber, Ross would be perfect 6th man. Then we don't really need another 6th man in 2nd round?

What if we don't draft a small forward? There is a chance Ennis and Payton will be there. What if we like Stokes so much we take him at 20? What if we think Patterson will be too expensive and we select Payne? No matter what Ross is our starting 3.

[BillyGM]

off-topic: http://news-hound.org/uk-scientists-clo ... s=og.likes British scientists cloned a dinosaur. What do you think of cloning a Raptor to use as a mascot? XD

[pbj]

I didn't think that Jimmy Butler has same wingspan as Terrence Ross but he does, same height too.
Jimmy Butler 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.5" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
Terrence Ross 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.25" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Ross-5747/
So to all this wingspan fappers it doesn't mean that a player with smaller wingspan is going to be bad defender. Jimmy and Terrence are great examples.
TJ and Rodney don't have extraordinary wingspan in this years draft, they are bad at defense but I believe they can improve. Rodney has above average athleticism so it should be easier for him to improve and he is not a tweener.

I'm 6'1 with a 5'11 wingspan and I'm a fantastic defender! If I had a 6'3 wingspan, I'd pretty much be Tony Allen.

[OAKLEY_2]

Glad you've come around to Dinwiddie, DH. He's got a lot of talent and he's on my list of top 5 choices from the second round.

I like the Lou Williams comparison... IMO it's fairly accurate and that's quite the pick up in the second round. Not sure if I'd want to move Ross though (should Dinwiddie pan out) because he's got great defense. But young, valuable assets is a good problem to have.

Take a look at Burton too. I think he has more potential than Dinwiddie


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At 20 I'd accept any of Payton, Payne, Ennis or Anderson. At 37 I only want Dinwiddie.

[bballsparkin]

I didn't think that Jimmy Butler has same wingspan as Terrence Ross but he does, same height too.
Jimmy Butler 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.5" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
Terrence Ross 6' 6" height w/o shoes 6' 7.25" wingspan
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Ross-5747/
So to all this wingspan fappers it doesn't mean that a player with smaller wingspan is going to be bad defender. Jimmy and Terrence are great examples.
TJ and Rodney don't have extraordinary wingspan in this years draft, they are bad at defense but I believe they can improve. Rodney has above average athleticism so it should be easier for him to improve and he is not a tweener.

Ya I was thinking people are too caught up in measurements. It's nice if a player has long arms and can jump high but more importantly can he play?


I'm liking the variety of peoples opinions in this draft. It leads me to believe if Masai drafts well the Raps could come away with some nice players.

[Roland Brice]

Dinwiddie's injury will make him 2nd rounder for sure. Also, don't we have good 6th man already in T Ross?

I don't think they want to make Ross a 6th man , the starting line up needs his defense too much .

But what if our drafted SF will turn out to be starting caliber, Ross would be perfect 6th man. Then we don't really need another 6th man in 2nd round?

Dinwiddie's a 2nd rounder, so having him AND Ross off the bench wouldn't exactly suck. Imagine Dinwiddie driving the lane for fouls while T-Ross nails 3's from the outside. Not many 2nd units have that luxury. It's better for us to have more in our 2nd unit. Plus, Dinwiddie can play some point and some 2, so T-Ross would still get his minutes.

[BillyGM]

Masai saying this draft is overrated I would say this draft is deep with so many good role players that could even go undrafted

[MEDIC]

The more tape I watch of Bachynski, the more I want to see us draft him. Fits a need, great length, very mobile for a guy his size, seems to get off the floor pretty quickly to contest shots, rotates well, mature & seems like a pretty cool dude. Would fit in with our current group.

Could be another Asik.

Sacre was selected by the Lakers in the 2nd round & Bachynski seems like a much better prospect.

[SkywalkerAC]

The more tape I watch of Bachynski, the more I want to see us draft him. Fits a need, great length, very mobile for a guy his size, seems to get off the floor pretty quickly to contest shots, rotates well, mature & seems like a pretty cool dude. Would fit in with our current group.

Could be another Asik.

Sacre was selected by the Lakers in the 2nd round & Bachynski seems like a much better prospect.

But is he worth reaching for with our first 2nd rounder? I do think there's enough good true bigs in this 2nd round that we should be able to find a good one. Getting a rotation big on a 2nd round contract is tremendous value, if a slightly higher risk.