Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[steger_3434]

How can you say because he played center his rebounding numbers are inflated? I'll just in turn say his assist numbers were deflated then because of that.

[paulpressey25]

PP was comparing Grant Hill's charisma to Jabari's, not his game

Exactly. Jabari and Grant are both all-american guys, leaders, well-spoken and charismatic.

In 1994 we took the "talent" guy without the charisma and character over the less talent guy (Hill) who did have the intangibles. In hindsight it was a mistake.

And I'm convinced Kohl and cronies used that lesson in 1995, when we did the reverse, and passed on the more talented player in Marbury for the clean cut Ray Allen. And that one worked out.

So for me, that is the major asset Jabari brings to the table. He's got all those "winner" intangibles that we aren't sure we have with Wiggins. The stress fracture in the foot though bothers the heck out of me.

[jakecronus8]

I was crushed when the Bucks took Robinson over Hill.

Obviously butterfly effect changes history but he and Ray would have been a perfect duo.

[jakecronus8]

PP was comparing Grant Hill's charisma to Jabari's, not his game

Exactly. Jabari and Grant are both all-american guys, leaders, well-spoken and charismatic.

In 1994 we took the "talent" guy without the charisma and character over the less talent guy (Hill) who did have the intangibles. In hindsight it was a mistake.

And I'm convinced Kohl and cronies used that lesson in 1995, when we did the reverse, and passed on the more talented player in Marbury for the clean cut Ray Allen. And that one worked out.

So for me, that is the major asset Jabari brings to the table. He's got all those "winner" intangibles that we aren't sure we have with Wiggins. The stress fracture in the foot though bothers the heck out of me.

Glenn Robinson was never more talented than Hill. He had the advantage of being the man at Purdue, whereas Hill was on a loaded Duke team.

This is my fear with Parker over Wiggins. I strongly get the sense that Wiggins will flourish in the pro game, while Parker will come down to earth a bit.

[Ron Swanson]

How can you say because he played center his rebounding numbers are inflated? I'll just in turn say his assist numbers were deflated then because of that.

I mean, you can. But that doesn't change the fact that he's still a below average distributor when accounting for his usage rate and how many times he was the "primary ball-handler" in that offense.

[Badgerlander]

PP was comparing Grant Hill's charisma to Jabari's, not his game

Exactly. Jabari and Grant are both all-american guys, leaders, well-spoken and charismatic.

In 1994 we took the "talent" guy without the charisma and character over the less talent guy (Hill) who did have the intangibles. In hindsight it was a mistake.

And I'm convinced Kohl and cronies used that lesson in 1995, when we did the reverse, and passed on the more talented player in Marbury for the clean cut Ray Allen. And that one worked out.

So for me, that is the major asset Jabari brings to the table. He's got all those "winner" intangibles that we aren't sure we have with Wiggins. The stress fracture in the foot though bothers the heck out of me.

Plus Jabari is sure to be an important member of Team USA, and bring lots of exposure to the Bucks that way. He definitely brings the "I want to play on that guy's team" draw with him, and the "he wants to win" mentality to the team. He will be "The" interview to get on draft night and have the early lead on the ROY.

[Garbs_7]

Just watching Parker youtube videos, very impressive scorer obviously and definitely has something Melo-ish about him on that end of the floor. Strange looking jump shot, unusual release where he shoots it down towards the basket in a way. A little bit of a slow release as well it seems but that can be worked on. I'd be very intrigued if we did draft him, mostly nervous on how Wiggins and Embiid turn out because they both could be anything, but I'm pretty sure Parker is a 20+ ppg scorer in this league easily. As long as he has the hard work and dedication part down.

[ReasonablySober]

I couldn't possibly care less about a prospect's charisma or national popularity.

[Siefer]

I also don't see the Parker-Hill comparison at all. When you are taking Parker you are hoping he can be a super efficient 25+ PPG guy in his prime that can board and do some distributing when defenses collapse on him.

Grant Hill wasn't that guy. He wasn't a great shooter, but he was so talented he found ways to score regardless. He could handle and distribute like a point guard, he could board like a PF and he was an excellent defensive player.

I still think that the Melo, Big Dog and Pierce comparisons stand as the best compares for him. If he could be Carmelo Anthony with improved shot selection, he'd be pretty damn good.

I don't actually think Parker is a great shooter right now. He's a much better scorer than shooter. I agree Hill isn't a great comparison, but I do think he's a better comparison than Robinson. Parley is a significantly better ball-handler and creator than Robinson ever was. My comparison of choice would be Pierce or Melo.

I think Parker was a a pretty damn good shooter for a Freshman and he clearly has the tools to be excellent from deep and from midrange. If you look at Parker and Dog's production as Freshmen, they are almost identical.

I think you'd have a different opinion on Robinson as a player if he would have realized his potential in the NBA and worked on his game as opposed to just settling on what he became. There is a reason Robinson went above Hill and Kidd in the draft, because he was an incredible prospect. So comparing Parker to him isn't really a rip at all.

After watching more of Parker as well, I do think he's pretty similar to the prospect that Dog was, not the player that he became (which is what I thought a good comparison was for him before).

Definitely agree he has the tools. I certainly don't think he's a bad shooter, but I'm unwilling to call him great, or even very good yet. You're right that Robinson never realized his full potential, but even if he had reached his ceiling, he never had the ball skills, and I'm skeptical he ever would have developed close to the handle and play-making ability Parker has shown.

My only goal in comparing Parker to Hill, was to highlight that Parker has the skillset and the potential to be a much better offensive catalyst and creator than Robinson. I'll grant that Hill (rimshot) isn't the best comparison; I used it out of convenience - given people were talking Robinson and Hill already - to highlight that I don't like the Robinson analogue.

[Badgerlander]

I couldn't possibly care less about a prospect's charisma or national popularity.

Agreed, but chances are KLH's Sports guy will talk about Jabari a lot more than some guy from "Romoturkistan." It's all about the casual fan.

Plus Mo Williams never makes the All-Star team if he doesn't play with LeBron. Does Afflalo ever get the good defender tag if he doesn't play next to Melo?

[breakchains]

GIannis + Parker duo excites the hell out of me.

[paulpressey25]

The charisma is very important as it relates to the player being able to be an alpha dog. That rubs off on other players. If Jabari is a vocal leader and backing it up with 20ppg, he's going to be a great influence in that locker-room and on the court.

[Badgerlander]

The charisma is very important as it relates to the player being able to be an alpha dog. That rubs off on other players. If Jabari is a vocal leader and backing it up with 20ppg, he's going to be a great influence in that locker-room and on the court.

Big Dog and Ray started getting a lot more calls go their way when Sam joined the team and instantly became the vocal leader.

[LUKE23]

GIannis + Parker duo excites the hell out of me.

Coming from a Wiggins at #2 guy, it should excite everyone, quite frankly.

[Chapter29]

Let's just hope Jabari isn't going to go #1. I think he has an excellent chance to be the top pick.

I hope he goes #1. That leaves Embiid or Wiggins for us. Works for me.

Would be interesting if he's picked #1. It would leave some doubt in my head about Embiid's health, but I certainly wouldn't suddenly agree with you on Parker based on how bad Cleveland has been with this. As I've stated I'm no expert, but I cannot pass up the athleticism and measurements of these 2 guys. As europa has stated recently its hard to give up on a talent that was basically picked to go #1 in this draft 2 years ago or perhaps even longer. Regardless if he was slightly underwhelming his first college season.

If we select Parker, I hope very much that I am wrong. I do think he's talented. Just don't like the lack of defense. Most stars are 2 way players.

[recko321]

Magic fan here. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate reading your board and the conversation that goes into each thread. We have over 80 pages of discussion on our draft picks and I come here to see you guys are on your 2nd thread and already over 100+ pages, its great! Makes me sick to look on Cleveland's board and see them with only 5 pages for the #1 pick. F*$% Cleveland. Here's to the best of luck on June 26th. Cheers.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Magic fan here. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate reading your board and the conversation that goes into each thread. We have over 80 pages of discussion on our draft picks and I come here to see you guys are on your 2nd thread and already over 100+ pages, its great! Makes me sick to look on Cleveland's board and see them with only 5 pages for the #1 pick. F*$% Cleveland. Here's to the best of luck on June 26th. Cheers.

We've had 2 or 3 more 100 page threads from earlier in the year too. We start a new thread whenever we hit 100.

[Chapter29]

Interesting.....Draft Express has

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Exum

I could see Wiggins going #1, but no chance we let Embiid fall past us. I know his back is a risk, but I definately think we would take that chance. Wiggins going #1 overall would be the worst thing for me as I flip flop on Wiggins vs Embiid.

I believe Cleveland almost certainly takes Embiid.

[M-C-G]

I couldn't possibly care less about a prospect's charisma or national popularity.

If the goal is to rebuild a fan base, get an arena built, and fill the arena, you certainly should. All that being said, I think it would be awesome to have a core guy on the US Team because;
1. It means he is one of the best players in the league
2. It is great global exposure for the team
3. Could be used as a recruiting tool (which could work against us)

Not implying this is my number reasons for being a Parker guy, far from it, but for those of us that have the top 3 or 4 so close, the 'extra credit' points really build in Parkers favor.

[JustinCredible]

If the Spurs had the #2 pick who do you guys think would be the top 2 players on their board?

I think Embiid would be a clear cut #1 to replace Duncan and because of the success they have had with 'bigs' in the past.

I believe Parker would be #2 for them. I just feel like they value skill-set over athleticism, potential, and length. Parker seems like a Spurs kind of guy to me.

Obviously this is all hypothetical but I am just trying to get myself pumped about the Parker pick if it happens.